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LongJon

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New Chips From Intel...
« on: July 06, 2018, 04:49:33 PM »
https://www.techradar.com/news/its-official-9th-generation-intel-coffee-lake-s-processors-coming-later-this-year

When do you think they are coming?  And without really knowing do you expect the 9700k or the 9900k to be the best gaming chip?  I know the 9700k is rumored to have 6 cores/12 lanes and the 9900 8 cores/16 lanes but as we've seen with chips in the past when it comes to games sometimes more cores doesn't = better performance due to optimization and other factors.

I'm also curious when Apple will release their 2018 Mac lineup.  I'm looking to get a new iMac as my main computer at my business but I keep reading/seeing rumors that they are going to completely redesign the iMac for 2018.  Who knows they may just give it a spec bump but I wonder which chips apple would use if they new PC's release say in October?  These chips or the Coffee Lake 8700k as the top option?

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Re: New Chips From Intel...
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2018, 06:24:00 PM »
These are just a re-brand. Intel is on the hook to the OEMs to supply new CPUs every year. The 9000-series is so truly identical to the 8000-series that Intel is actually referring to them as 8th-generation CPUs. In other words, there's nothing new here, same Skylake architecture that debuted in 2015 with the Core i7-6700K. If there is indeed an 8-core CPU, that will be big news, but it's all just rumors at this point. And since you asked specifically about games, I can almost promise you it won't be the best gaming chip. The 8700K will remain dominant as it can hit higher clock speeds. In fact, for a pure gaming PC, the 8600K is pretty amazing.

Couldn't tell you much about Apple except that in two years, all Macs will run on iPhone processors, and Apple will abandon (edit: Mac OS). Would I invest in a new Mac today? Nope.
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Re: New Chips From Intel...
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2018, 07:14:16 PM »
These are just a re-brand. Intel is on the hook to the OEMs to supply new CPUs every year. The 9000-series is so truly identical to the 8000-series that Intel is actually referring to them as 8th-generation CPUs. In other words, there's nothing new here, same Skylake architecture that debuted in 2015 with the Core i7-6700K. If there is indeed an 8-core CPU, that will be big news, but it's all just rumors at this point. And since you asked specifically about games, I can almost promise you it won't be the best gaming chip. The 8700K will remain dominant as it can hit higher clock speeds. In fact, for a pure gaming PC, the 8600K is pretty amazing.

Couldn't tell you much about Apple except that in two years, all Macs will run on iPhone processors, and Apple will abandon iOS. Would I invest in a new Mac today? Nope.

I've heard that in time they want their computers to run on their in house chips (that they've been working on for some time but aren't ready).  Who knows.  I have a recent macbook pro and like it (i like learning about different/new (to me) operating systems).  You said Apple will abandon iOS?  I figured they'd abandon Mac OS not iOS if they abandon anything at all. 

All I'll say is this, I would never try to game on a Mac.  I would never buy a Mac for performance reasons (even though iMac pro has some interesting configurations).  I have my desktop PC for that.  But in my personal opinion, I don't use my macbook pro for gaming, just some for work and personal stuff and it does take some getting used to using but I like the way it performs.  It has a 7700k processor and a 512gb ssd.  It's pretty damn zippy.  But aside from that I do like how it integrates with my iPhone X.  iMessages, Facetime, etc are cool things to have on your computer, same thing for Mail.  Mail on Apple computers works a lot better than Mail on windows 10. 

Where I will agree with you on Apple is that I hate that they have kind of neglected the desktop/computer side of things in general.  They take too long to come out with stuff.  They usually always lag behind PC's on the hardware/processor side of things.  And the innovation seems like it has pretty much stopped with them there.  That's not to say they aren't good machines.  Overpriced I'd agree.  But good machines none the less. 

I wouldn't trade my gaming PC for anything though.  I need Windows in my life.  I've gotten very good at controlling my Macbook Pro quickly and confidently but I just know SO much about Windows.  It's almost like breathing a breath of fresh air when I turn on my gaming PC and that's where all my photos, video's, music, games, etc are at on my powerful PC and I just love it.

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Re: New Chips From Intel...
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2018, 11:49:21 PM »
I mistyped that, I meant Mac OS. That will be abandoned, iOS will pick up some of its features to make it work with a computer.

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Re: New Chips From Intel...
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2018, 09:02:17 AM »
These are just a re-brand. Intel is on the hook to the OEMs to supply new CPUs every year. The 9000-series is so truly identical to the 8000-series that Intel is actually referring to them as 8th-generation CPUs. In other words, there's nothing new here, same Skylake architecture that debuted in 2015 with the Core i7-6700K. If there is indeed an 8-core CPU, that will be big news, but it's all just rumors at this point. And since you asked specifically about games, I can almost promise you it won't be the best gaming chip. The 8700K will remain dominant as it can hit higher clock speeds. In fact, for a pure gaming PC, the 8600K is pretty amazing.

Couldn't tell you much about Apple except that in two years, all Macs will run on iPhone processors, and Apple will abandon (edit: Mac OS). Would I invest in a new Mac today? Nope.

Just out of curiosity (because I like to know more/learn) what's the big deal with the process these chips are built on?  I see where you've said (and many others to the rumors regarding these new chips) that they'll be built on the same 14nm process and they'll be labeled 14nm++.

If there are noticeable gains while having similar or less power draw, why does it matter if it's built on a new architecture or not?  Or is basically what you mean is that won't happen UNTIL a new generation post skylake comes out? 

I think this article basically says what you were saying.

https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/3035407/intel-9th-gen-core-i9-coming-this-quarter

How far away do you think we truly are for the 'next gen' processors arrive?  A year?  2 years?  I haven't looked at intel's roadmap in a while and even if I did it's so unreliable and changes constantly I figured I'd ask you lol. 

On another note, you think Nvidia will unveil their graphics cards at gamescom next month?
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Re: New Chips From Intel...
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2018, 10:42:45 AM »
Intel cannot achieve lower power draw and higher speeds until it successfully develops a new architecture. While continuing to label is CPUs with the same TDP (e.g., 95W), its six-core processors use far more than the four-core models that preceded them.

I'd guess that we won't see a new architecture until Fall 2019, and even then, it will trickle out and generally be unavailable until early 2020. Remember, Intel ALWAYS has to announce something in the August/September timeframe to keep OEMs happy. It has done that without fail for the past decade, even though truly new products arrived only a couple of times.

Nvidia most likely will announce at Gamescom, but due to a huge surplus (overproduction) of Pascal GPUs due to the instant crash of the crypto economy, it needs to clear the channel. Expect Turing to hit store shelves in late September or early October.

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« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2018, 03:13:26 PM »
Intel cannot achieve lower power draw and higher speeds until it successfully develops a new architecture. While continuing to label is CPUs with the same TDP (e.g., 95W), its six-core processors use far more than the four-core models that preceded them.

I'd guess that we won't see a new architecture until Fall 2019, and even then, it will trickle out and generally be unavailable until early 2020. Remember, Intel ALWAYS has to announce something in the August/September timeframe to keep OEMs happy. It has done that without fail for the past decade, even though truly new products arrived only a couple of times.

Nvidia most likely will announce at Gamescom, but due to a huge surplus (overproduction) of Pascal GPUs due to the instant crash of the crypto economy, it needs to clear the channel. Expect Turing to hit store shelves in late September or early October.

Apple announced their 2018 Macbook Pro's today with the new... well current i should say, line of cofee lake intel processors.  Just a spec bump basically.  Couple other improvements.  Has the ability to have 32gb of ram now (never been possible before on a Mac) and some improvements to the display like true tone or whatever... No mention of the iMac but yesterday an update came about from an insider saying the iMac will get an update with significant display/chassis improvements so who knows what that means.  Idk if it'll be a redesign with a spec bump or just true tone mumbo jumbo with a spec bump... But either way I know you don't care for Mac's so I'll stop there lol.

https://www.pcgamesn.com/intel-i9-release-date-specs-performance

That article is from a couple days ago and is just speculation on the rehashed 9700/9900k processors.  Doesn't seem like they are that far off but like you said who knows how much of a benefit they'll be able to offer.  Rumored to have 2 more cores on the 9900k but I'm curious if they 9700k stays a 6 core/12 thread CPU similarly to the 8700k what the real differences will be between those two?