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Re: The TBG Ultra-Extreme ITX PC Buyer's Guide
« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2018, 06:22:03 AM »
Love the new ultra-extreme build that just went live on the site.  That FTZ01 case is just so classy.  I've got the older version in-hand now and am so happy with it.  It's got a great substantial and sturdy feel that was missing from so many other cases I looked at.

I know you've looked at a lot of Silverstone products over the years.  Any chance you can convince them to make a Fortress variant of the SG-13 ITX case? :)  That's another case where I'd love to see the basic layout and form factor in a premium material version.

Where would you put the two case fans in this build?  Both underneath the gpu?  There will be no room above the cpu cooler, correct?

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« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2018, 11:14:18 AM »
Love the new ultra-extreme build that just went live on the site.  That FTZ01 case is just so classy.  I've got the older version in-hand now and am so happy with it.  It's got a great substantial and sturdy feel that was missing from so many other cases I looked at.

I know you've looked at a lot of Silverstone products over the years.  Any chance you can convince them to make a Fortress variant of the SG-13 ITX case? :)  That's another case where I'd love to see the basic layout and form factor in a premium material version.

Where would you put the two case fans in this build?  Both underneath the gpu?  There will be no room above the cpu cooler, correct?

Glad you liked the updated $2,500 Ultra-Extreme ITX Guide. While in the past this guide has featured a big ultra-high-performance ITX build, I've decided to transition it to an extra-premium ITX build, which isn't the same as ultra-high-performance. It's all about sleek looks and the smallest profile that can fit the best components. Cooler size gets second priority here, but that's fine for builders who want an ultra-compact, high-performance system.

I think you're on to something in suggesting the SG13 in premium "Fortress" materials. The SG13 is SilverStone's top-selling ITX case, but premium it is not (it's light, made partly of plastic, and very flexible). Back at CES 2017, I covered the prototype SilverStone SG14, which is shown below:



You can read more about it in the original news article, but don't get too excited - SilverStone has since cancelled the SG14!!! Perhaps you'd like to start a petition to get it reinstated?!?  ;)

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« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2018, 10:05:47 PM »
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Where would you put the two case fans in this build?  Both underneath the gpu?  There will be no room above the cpu cooler, correct?

As for the case fans in your FTZ01, I'd install them in the GPU compartment as intakes. They will not fit above the CPU cooler.

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« Reply #18 on: June 08, 2018, 09:01:08 PM »
Hello TBG!
 
 I am new to building PC's yet a SFF one, and i was wondering if there was a guide on how to build this model. I purchased all the recommended items (except the monitor), but i cant figure out how some of the parts are supposed to fit, or how they connect to each other.

 As i was trying to build this using youtube and reading the instructions on everything, i ran into a problem, where my cooling unit on the mother board is hitting the sleeve on the power supple. My thoughts is i might have assembled the cooling unit on the motherboard wrong.

 Any help on this will be greatly appreciated!

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« Reply #19 on: June 08, 2018, 11:15:31 PM »
Hello TBG!
 
 I am new to building PC's yet a SFF one, and i was wondering if there was a guide on how to build this model. I purchased all the recommended items (except the monitor), but i cant figure out how some of the parts are supposed to fit, or how they connect to each other.

 As i was trying to build this using youtube and reading the instructions on everything, i ran into a problem, where my cooling unit on the mother board is hitting the sleeve on the power supple. My thoughts is i might have assembled the cooling unit on the motherboard wrong.

 Any help on this will be greatly appreciated!

Welcome to the Forum, JD!

This is definitely a challenging PC to build. That comes with the territory when you're trying to put this much power into a compact chassis.

The NT06-Pro CPU cooler should be able to fit in this case though. This is how it should look once installed:



If the tips on the right side are hitting the power supply mount inside your case, you can actually bend the cooler slightly so that it moves to the left.

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« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2018, 05:56:19 AM »
Thank you!

That helped out so much and made me feel a lot better.

The next question i have is, where do all the cables actually connect? I have looked at the back of the power supply and on the motherboard, and i just don't understand which cables are needed and where they connect.

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« Reply #21 on: June 09, 2018, 07:57:45 AM »
Thank you!

That helped out so much and made me feel a lot better.

The next question i have is, where do all the cables actually connect? I have looked at the back of the power supply and on the motherboard, and i just don't understand which cables are needed and where they connect.

Read this page of the TBG High-End PC Builder's Guide. It tells you all about the power supply cables.

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« Reply #22 on: July 03, 2018, 08:00:32 AM »
Hi Ari!
Thanks for accepting my request to join the forum. This is actually one of the greatest resources I have found about information on mini-ITX builds since I got interested in them! Youre a legend.
So I would like to start building a slim mini-ITX build like the 1500 build. Something light that I can backpack. However, I would really like to squeeze in a few specific parts such as an i7 8700K core (I plan on doing heavy gaming plus heavy biological data computation), 16 gb PCIe ram, and something like a 1070 TI mini GPU. However, I am trying to be really cautious about fitting these in such a small case as the ML09b. The FTZ09 might be too heavy? but is it the only option for what I am looking for?
Also, I will be using these in areas where there is plenty of open ventilation (no cupboards or cabinets for this one) Have any suggestions? Thanks again for your site. Its amazing.

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« Reply #23 on: July 03, 2018, 08:14:25 AM »
Hi Ari!
Thanks for accepting my request to join the forum. This is actually one of the greatest resources I have found about information on mini-ITX builds since I got interested in them! Youre a legend.
So I would like to start building a slim mini-ITX build like the 1500 build. Something light that I can backpack. However, I would really like to squeeze in a few specific parts such as an i7 8700K core (I plan on doing heavy gaming plus heavy biological data computation), 16 gb PCIe ram, and something like a 1070 TI mini GPU. However, I am trying to be really cautious about fitting these in such a small case as the ML09b. The FTZ09 might be too heavy? but is it the only option for what I am looking for?
Also, I will be using these in areas where there is plenty of open ventilation (no cupboards or cabinets for this one) Have any suggestions? Thanks again for your site. Its amazing.

Welcome to the Forum, Bp4242!

You have a lot of options, but if you want a serious gaming machine, you cannot use the SilverStone ML09. You have to stick with something like the RVZ01-E or FTZ01-E.

You mention the $1,500 build, but you've posted in the forum for the $2,500 Ultra-Extreme build. To help you more, it would be great to know your budget and the form factor you want (shoebox or tall/slim case).

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« Reply #24 on: July 03, 2018, 08:43:36 AM »
Yes, so my budget is flexible, but not quite 2500. Somewhere in between I guess, which is why I posted to this post? I like a lot of the specs in the FTZ01b-e build like the core and the ram. But maybe I dont need the extra memory or the top of the line graphics card.  I think the 1070 Ti is probably more than enough for my needs... Is this build very heavy though? Not sure the slim optical drive is completely necessary either, although if so the slot one would be preferred I think.

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« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2018, 09:34:24 AM »
Yes, so my budget is flexible, but not quite 2500. Somewhere in between I guess, which is why I posted to this post? I like a lot of the specs in the FTZ01b-e build like the core and the ram. But maybe I dont need the extra memory or the top of the line graphics card.  I think the 1070 Ti is probably more than enough for my needs... Is this build very heavy though? Not sure the slim optical drive is completely necessary either, although if so the slot one would be preferred I think.

Got it, here's what I'd recommend: just take the $1,500 ITX Build and add the Core i7-8700K processor. It will meet your needs perfectly. This system weighs a full 4.4lbs less than the FTZ01 build, thanks to a much lighter chassis, and it's also easier to fit in a bag. The slim gaming cases are actually pretty wide, which makes putting them in a backpack really hard. Also, you're getting the 1070 Ti you want, and the cooler spec'd for this system is the same as the $2,500 build's, and can easily handle the 8700K processor.

The only other upgrade I'd recommend you consider is moving from the 500GB Crucial MX500 to the 1TB model, depending on your data storage needs.

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« Reply #26 on: July 03, 2018, 09:45:13 AM »
Hm Ok Great! I think this looks like a great build! Is this power supply an upgrade from the other SST I read about. I heard earlier about a similarly named one that had some problems?

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« Reply #27 on: July 03, 2018, 10:00:52 AM »
Also, would the Zotac GPU 1070 Ti work? Is there really much difference between the brands?
Lastly, how is the loudness of the fan? I am really looking to keep the PC from being too loud. Its rather quiet where I work and a loud revving fan which comes on a lot would be rather annoying to others.

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« Reply #28 on: July 03, 2018, 10:12:08 AM »
Hm Ok Great! I think this looks like a great build! Is this power supply an upgrade from the other SST I read about. I heard earlier about a similarly named one that had some problems?

Yes, that's a new SFX power supply that TBG reviewed right here. You may be recalling SilverStone's original SX500-LG SFX-L unit, which TBG also tested and had serious problems with. It had a faulty fan controller that would lead to buzzing, and was pulled from the market. The current SX500-LG (v2) has a revised controller. You mentioned that you'd like quiet operation, and in TBG's testing of the SX500-G versus the SX500-LG v2, the "G" model was quieter at idle, while the "LG" model was quieter at load. I'd guess that in a work environment, you'd want the "G" model unless you really are going to have the system running computations much of the day. The SX500-LG will fit fine, by the way, despite being a bit longer than the SX500-G. The case fan recommended in the guide is also quiet, but for absolute silence, I'd upgrade it to the exceptional Scythe Kaze Flex. Yes, it's twice the price, but that means it's just an extra $7 for even quieter operation. A good investment - in fact, it's what I personally use in my SG13 build.

As for video cards, I'd stick with the EVGA model. The Zotac GeForce GTX 1070 Ti Mini would work, but given the high power of this GPU, I'd recommend maximum cooling capacity, and the EVGA model simply has the bigger, better cooler (and the largest that will fit in this case).

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« Reply #29 on: July 03, 2018, 10:19:32 AM »
One last thing I forgot to mention - when building a small system, it's hard to have maximum performance and minimum noise at the same time. The powerful NT06-Pro CPU cooler does have a fairly loud fan, so you may want to pick up a set of Noctua low-noise adapters so you can dial in a lower noise level at idle. This will cut maximum cooling performance at load as well, so you'll need to decide which is more important to you.