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The High-End Gaming Mini-ITX Builds / Re: The TBG Ultimate Gaming Mini-ITX PC Build
« Last post by jmfoots on August 19, 2017, 11:17:11 PM »
Yikes, I was ninja'd!!!  :)

OK, you ordered a brand-new system, huh? That is a splurge, but not a giant one, since all you're losing out on is your 4790K CPU and your RAM (you'll need DDR4 for the new system). I'd still consider cancelling the 250D order and getting the SilverStone SG09 to fit your card a bit better, because remember, you can't use a Cryorig H7 in the 250D, and the SG09 is a smaller/better case anyway!

Oh dang, the SG09 is my best choice here then? I'm surprised it can be so much more accommodating despite the smaller dimensions - I guess it's the depth. Alright, I'll move that over, but really hoping that's not going to impact anything else (the cooler will fit, yes?). The SG09 is also competitively-priced in Japan, so that helps.

Thank you so much for your advice.
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General Discussion / Re: Upgrading CPU Questions
« Last post by Ari Altman on August 19, 2017, 10:22:59 PM »
They've just always piqued my interest.  Nothing major.  I like the new Macbook Pro's but I don't like the lack of ports, the price tag, the lack of touchscreen, and probably some other things.  My Vaio was touchscreen and I was surprised at how much I used it. 

Again, I'm not going to be buying one in the immediate future but within 3-6 months I probably will be buying a laptop and so we'll see.  I didn't know that about Jobs and macs not being touchscreen.  That's interesting!  Makes sense now too with how Macs have evolved over the years (or lack their of lol).

While Jobs was still alive, Apple commissioned a study that "proved" that laptop users never used their touchscreens, and so therefore he decided that consumers shouldn't have them.

Amazingly enough, you used yours, and I really don't think you'll want to go back to the world that Steve Jobs wanted you to live in!
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Yikes, I was ninja'd!!!  :)

OK, you ordered a brand-new system, huh? That is a splurge, but not a giant one, since all you're losing out on is your 4790K CPU and your RAM (you'll need DDR4 for the new system). I'd still consider cancelling the 250D order and getting the SilverStone SG09 to fit your card a bit better, because remember, you can't use a Cryorig H7 in the 250D, and the SG09 is a smaller/better case anyway!
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Double-posting with extra research:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/651hpa/msi_gaming_x_1080ti_in_an_itx_case_with_great/ - claims that you can make the card work in this case, and it looks to be a Corsair 250D according to http://imgur.com/a/serLe and its source Reddit post. Which is great, since the 250D is the same price in Japan as it is here (I live in Japan and I'm visiting the US, looking to take parts back with me).

That resolves the case question (presuming that I can use the same power supply, which looks like not a problem), and now to the motherboard question. It seems like, if I do it right, I can flash BIOS ***without a CPU installed*** on a Z87 mobo to get a 4790k working. https://superuser.com/questions/804006/z87-deluxe-edition-wont-boot-with-core-i7-4790k

I'll keep looking for a Z97 mobo that isn't exorbitantly priced, but that's looking very unlikely.

Yes, it does look like the Corsair 250D will fit your card, but it won't fit a tower cooler like the Cryorig H7. That's why I didn't recommend it. And if you look closely at the photos, it's really a poor fit, with the top of the GPU brushing up against the side rails where the case cover slots in. The 250D is also huge for an ITX case, and I doubt it would fit in standard luggage, at least not a carry-on.

In my opinion, you'll be infinitely better off with a well-designed mATX case like the 23-liter SilverStone SG09 rather than the portly 28-liter Corsair 250D, which can't even properly fit your card or a decent air cooler. That's the answer right there.

Furthermore, as for the motherboard, I  think getting your hands on that Z87I Deluxe is going to be harder than you think. And messing with BIOS flashback can be tricky. This is the challenge anyone who's ever tried to repurpose an older CPU for a compact system - ITX motherboards are the first to disappear. SuperMicro still manufactures a Z97 mATX board that you can pick up for $160 at Amazon, no special order necessary.

Be happy that you don't need to go ITX to achieve your goals!
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Looking to completely isolate to two disks and simply goto the boot menu at startup and select the one of interest and boot.

I guees I'm not seeing the setup needed from reading the MB manual.

A couple things you'll want to make sure of:

(1) Windows 8.1/ 10 WHQL Support should be Disabled
(2) Boot Mode Select should be set to LEGACY+UEFI

Both of those should be defaults, however, so unless you've changed them, that's not your issue. If you want to have the system always start with a boot menu, I don't think you can do that with a modern motherboard. But you can always tap a button to bring up a boot selection screen at startup. On my MSI test motherboard that is F11.
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General Discussion / Re: Upgrading CPU Questions
« Last post by LongJon on August 19, 2017, 04:34:30 PM »
They've just always piqued my interest.  Nothing major.  I like the new Macbook Pro's but I don't like the lack of ports, the price tag, the lack of touchscreen, and probably some other things.  My Vaio was touchscreen and I was surprised at how much I used it. 

Again, I'm not going to be buying one in the immediate future but within 3-6 months I probably will be buying a laptop and so we'll see.  I didn't know that about Jobs and macs not being touchscreen.  That's interesting!  Makes sense now too with how Macs have evolved over the years (or lack their of lol).
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The High-End Gaming Mini-ITX Builds / Re: The TBG Ultimate Gaming Mini-ITX PC Build
« Last post by jmfoots on August 19, 2017, 04:31:35 PM »
Double-posting with extra research:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/651hpa/msi_gaming_x_1080ti_in_an_itx_case_with_great/ - claims that you can make the card work in this case, and it looks to be a Corsair 250D according to http://imgur.com/a/serLe and its source Reddit post. Which is great, since the 250D is the same price in Japan as it is here (I live in Japan and I'm visiting the US, looking to take parts back with me).

That resolves the case question (presuming that I can use the same power supply, which looks like not a problem), and now to the motherboard question. It seems like, if I do it right, I can flash BIOS ***without a CPU installed*** on a Z87 mobo to get a 4790k working. https://superuser.com/questions/804006/z87-deluxe-edition-wont-boot-with-core-i7-4790k

I'll keep looking for a Z97 mobo that isn't exorbitantly priced, but that's looking very unlikely.

***EDIT***
Welp, just kidding. I splurged for the build as recommended on the build guide in order to take advantage of bluetooth and better RAM frequencies and m.2 slots, with just the 250D case to fit the 1080ti. Will try and hock the 4790k, maybe.
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Looking to completely isolate to two disks and simply goto the boot menu at startup and select the one of interest and boot.

I guees I'm not seeing the setup needed from reading the MB manual.
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The High-End Gaming Mini-ITX Builds / Re: The TBG Ultimate Gaming Mini-ITX PC Build
« Last post by jmfoots on August 19, 2017, 03:33:37 PM »
Things and stuff

Hey, thanks for the welcome.
So, yes, I do have the 4790k and the MSI 1080ti already (pulling them out of my existing mATX build, where several of my USB ports are now dead after years of use), and I'd be losing a fair bit of change if I tried to sell and swap the 1080ti.  But, if you think that's going to be necessary to get an ITX build working, then I'll do that. I'm guessing the problem isn't case size but interference with the PSU and other components? I had assumed that there were ITX cases bigger than that Fractal that would be able to accommodate.

Also, on the motherboard, urgh, I don't see anything that isn't used (and I do *not* want to buy a used motherboard). Will hunt around for a Z97.
I can forego the handle, really. It's just nice to have.
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Okay, so! I've been looking at the $2k ITX build, but I have constraints that I worry are going to make me change case and potentially other materials.
These constraints are use of a:

*Intel i7 4790k
*Any LGA1150 ITX mobo - right now the frontrunner is the Asus Z87I-Deluxe, http://amzn.to/2vT4zSi
*A MSI 1080ti GAMING X 11G, dimensions 11.42" (290mm) x 5.51", 2.5slot width
*A case that can fit reasonably into a suitcase (which, in fairness, a microATX midtower can do that, but let's assume I want to do better) + handle preferable
*A cooling solution that isn't painfully loud (as I understand ITX blowers can get loud and I work in sound) - the CryoRig H7 you recommend appears to work for LGA1150, so no problem there?
*Minimum one 2.5" and 3.5" bays, no m.2 necessary or desired (but can get one if badly needed and will remove the need for the 2.5")

The 1080ti you guys use, the SC Black thingamathing has dimensions of 10.6" x 4.66", 2slot width (well, it says Dual on the manufacturer website, I assume that's specifically two slots). So, I'm worried about clearance and case. Would I be correct in assuming I can just get a slightly bigger case and all will be resolved - and if so, which one would you recommend? Or, can I fit this in the recommended Fractal case?

Thanks, all. I'm really happy this forum exists.

Welcome to the TBG Forum, jmfoots!

So, with those particular parts selections, you're going to end up need to build a very different PC. I assume you already have the 4790K? If so, that's fine, as it's an excellent CPU. I wouldn't buy one new at this point, but it's more than powerful enough if you have one on hand. The Asus Z87I-Deluxe is a great pick, but I'll warn you that this board has been discontinued, so I'm a bit surprised Amazon says it's getting more in stock. In fact, that board is so old that it came out a year prior to the 4790K, which means that there's a chance it won't even support the 4790K out of the box. Perhaps you intend to buy one used, which is fine if that's what you're after, but you probably want to look at a Z97 board instead (also discontinued, but with guaranteed support for that CPU).

The other issue is the 2.5-slot MSI GTX 1080 Ti video card you have. That likely won't fit in the Fractal Design Core 500, and not just because it's too wide, it's also too long and too tall. Is this a card you have already? If so, you can go ahead and try it in the Core 500, but if not, I'd suggest you sell it and go with the EVGA 1080 Ti Black. There are no ITX cases that I know of that are guaranteed to fit the MSI card, and very few cases have handles anymore.

In terms of coolers, yes, the Cyrorig H7 will work with a Z87/Z97 board, and it's very quiet.
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