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Hopefully I'll be able to find it.  What do you think of this new report?

https://wccftech.com/intel-desktop-mobile-cpu-roadmap-leak-14nm-comet-lake-10nm-ice-lake-tiger-lake/

If that's even close to accurate, I'm either just going to go ahead and get a i9-9900k, or wait a month and see what AMD comes up with. 

What would you do if you were me?  What motherboard would I need to get with the 9900k to support all of what the H500M has to offer?  I definitely want the best gaming chip first and foremost which the 9900K currently is.  And I know with all the video editing and encoding/converting, etc I'd appreciate going from 4 to 8 cores and 8 to 16 threads, but I'm curious with the value that AMD brings with the amount of cores/threads their CPU's offer if whatever they come out with can compete clock wise/gaming wise with the 9900k?

What would you do if you were me?

I had been basing a lot of what I'm doing on the fact that Intel would hit that late/holiday 2019 release window for 10nm but they are such a loose canon so who really knows.

Would you seriously consider AMD's 3000 series as a serious gamer?  I know you said you really like your 9900k.  Doing a lot of 4K editing and what not on the 7700K is rough sometimes.  I used to not do very much editing but I'm doing more and more various forms of it and it takes a while for the 7700K to render/export all these things.  How much faster is the 9900K in that regard?

Thanks.

We're just a few months away from Zen 2. I'd probably wait until then if I were you. Gaming performance should come close to the 9900K and video rendering will far surpass it on a dollar-per-dollar basis.

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I can't find the box my 1080 Ti came in... It's the EVGA FTW3 1080 Ti...  Do you think that will be a problem when I put it up for sale on eBay next week?  Or do people really only care about the card?

I usually keep most of my boxes for big purchases like that because I know ahead of time I'll likely resale them to upgrade which is what I've done on eBay for over 10 years.

I would guess that will knock about 10% off of what you can get for the card.

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Home Theater / Re: TBG's 4K TV Buyer's Guide
« on: April 23, 2019, 11:47:46 AM »
Yeah the choice seems to be between a new LG OLED, The Vizio-P, or the Samsung Q7. You think Vizio is better than Samsung? I wish they had the higher end Samsungs.

Sucks about the loss of trade in value I agree.

My space has a hard limit of 65 inches. When I posted the pic of my monster rig you might have seen that the screen fills the entire alcove.

Oh, OK, I forgot about that 65" limit. Well, I do know that the Vizio PQ was better than last year's Samsungs, because I tested them both. I'm actually going to be getting in a Q8R for testing next month, but that will be after you need to make your decision. The Samsungs have improved a lot, at least at the high end, based on what I saw at CES, but I just don't know how much is sacrificed with the Q7. You can look over the specs, of course, but what I'm saying is that I don't know how that translates to picture quality.

I also really like that Vizio supports Dolby Vision, which Samsung does not and probably never will. So that is something I'm also factoring in, but if DV isn't important to you, I think the pendulum swings a bit in the Q7's favor versus the Vizio PQ. Also, Samsung's user interface, while not perfect, is definitely better than Vizio's.

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The HTPC Build / Re: HTPC/AV Receiver
« on: April 23, 2019, 10:56:47 AM »
Welcome to the TBG Forum, Recker!

What you're proposing is well beyond my DIY experience, but the immediate concern I have is that the main purpose of an AV receiver beyond switching is to deliver power, and that is the opposite of what a PC does. In a sense, an AV receiver is a power supply for speakers. Using a PC as a power supply is really asking it to do something that it's not designed to do.

Is it possible? Probably. Is it a good idea? Probably not.

What you probably want to look into is whether you get your PC to handle switching of sources (which is possible if you use an ultra-high-end motherboard with multiple HDMI inputs), and then use a pre-amp for your speakers. Hooking them to the PC directly just doesn't make sense.

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Wow, what a saga!

I simply can't believe how hot that SSD was getting. You were right to be worried, and indeed it wasn't just a sensor or software failure. Love the graphic of the flaming SSD, by the way! ;)

That "expendable hardware", as you put it, does seem to have done the trick. I'm actually wondering if the heatsink that Gigabyte uses on its motherboard is having an insulating rather than dissipating effect. The airflow in that system is bad, but not that bad - you do have the intake fan right there, and unlike many systems, the video card isn't actually exhausting right onto the SSD.

Put another way, I don't think the form factor of this PC is to blame for the high temps you were seeing, especially given how cool everything else is running (which speaks to the fact that this setup is indeed superior to what you find on YouTube!). If you ever feel like experimenting again, try running that M.2 drive with no cover at all (just secured with a screw to the motherboard).

In any event, you're all set, and that AV installation looks great. Hope you agree that this unique, somewhat fussy HTPC case gave you a look like no other case could!

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Home Theater / Re: TBG's 4K TV Buyer's Guide
« on: April 23, 2019, 10:06:32 AM »
So Costco doesn't carry the 8k one anyway.

All they carry is the Q7 series which is two steps down from the flagship Q9. Annoying as the local dimming isn't as good as the better versions. Alternately they carry the Vizio- PQ model. \

Which would you recommend?

I figured Costco wouldn't have that ultra-high-end gear. Given the selection, I'd probably go with the 65" Vizio PQ, but that's only $1,400 at Costco right now, which is an insane deal, but far from hitting your full trade-in value. If you have the space, you might consider the 82" Q7, which is overpriced in my opinion, but it sure is big!

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Hard to say on the SSDs. I personally think that if you're spending serious money on a system (which it seems like you are), you want the best tech, and that's the 970 Pro 1TB. It's the standard by which all others are judged, and being MLC, it's not just really fast, it's also really consistent.

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This is going to be a nice upgrade! Which parts are you going to use for now? I assume you'll drop the new GPU into your current system, since that's easy, and attaching the SSD is simple too. The case and liquid cooler are much bigger challenges, so are you going to wait until you get a new CPU/motherboard to use them? One advantage of holding off until then is your current PC remains intact enough that you can pass it on to someone else or use it as a second PC.

By the way, yes, your HX1000i is more than good enough to power any new system (it's excellent in fact), and your RAM should probably run at 3200MHz on a new system. Memory compatibility improves with each generation.

Just a word of warning: don't hold your breath on the 970 Evo Plus 2TB. Both Samsung and Western Digital have aborted previously-announced launch dates so far, and another competing 2TB drive, from HP, has disappeared from the market after initially being available. I just don't think these high-performance 2TB drives make business sense right now, probably due to a combination of production costs and limited demand.

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Oh yeah, technically the big difference is that the RGB lighting can be controlled via the motherboard or a breakout box, rather than just by a breakout box. But the fans are also better.

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What's the difference between the ARGB fan you recommended and the Floe fan that's 15$ more?  I don't really care for RGB lighting and probably won't use that, if that matters or not but I still want the best fan possible.  I just bought the H500m by the way.  Should be here the middle of next week.  I'm slowly starting to put together my next build.

Thermaltake Water 3.0 ARGB is superior to more expensive Thermaltake Water 3.0 Floe. Newer, better, cheaper. And this comes direct from a Thermaltake rep's mouth to my ears.

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What's your opinion of the Dark Base Pro 900 Rev 2 from be quiet?

Do you still think I should go for the same fan you recommended me earlier for the A500? 

This one?

https://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-Motherboard-Efficiency-Radiator-CL-W234-PL12SW/dp/B07N9K44Y8/ref=as_li_ss_tl?creativeASIN=B07N9K44Y8&imprToken=Ylw1mOmc0uwMhd60enEZKw&slotNum=9&keywords=CL-W234-PL12SW-A&qid=1551316928&s=gateway&sr=8-1&linkCode=w61&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=bc12c6dc9e9ad6df46dfc6fb34b9303b&language=en_US

And I'm hoping I don't have to wait 'that' long for the 2TB Evo Plus.  Do you think it's really that worth it vs a TB 970 Pro or a 2TB standard Evo?  I want the 2TB to future proof it but I don't want to wait forever.

I'm curious if I should wait for Computex at the end of next month before I make any moves?  Is that an event where lots of new products are announced or no?

The Dark Base Pro Rev. 2 is a nice case, and I've considered it for TBG guides, but the fact that it still uses ancient screw-on glass panels just turns me off. Hinged panels, or at the minimum slide-in panels, are really required for a high-end case today. It's also on the expensive side, because be quiet! always prices its products on the premium side. If you love the look, go for it, but it's not winning a recommendation from me.

As for the CPU cooler, yes, you can use the Thermaltake Water 3.0 360 ARGB Sync, in fact that's the exact cooler I used in the TBG's Thermaltake A500 review.

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Sorry I missed this. As J35 stated, the In Win Chopin is by far the best alternative.

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Would the H500M still be your pick when compared to the Thermaltake A500?

These are two very different cases. The A500 has two ultra high quality aluminum panels plus awesome hinged glass doors that give it a very premium feel. The H500M is all about flash, thanks to its big ARGB front fans. Out of the box, it also has slightly higher airflow, but upgrading the A500's fans would equal it out.

Performance per dollar: H500M wins.
Overall looks: A500 wins for sure unless yout want RGB up front, which it obviously doesn't allow

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The Home Office PC Build / Re: Home Office build M2 options
« on: April 18, 2019, 11:25:23 AM »
Thanks for the explanation of the SATA vs PCIe difference - it also looks like there is a 2X price differential between the two.
Here is what I want to transplant from old system: a 60 GB SATA SSD with Linux, a 120 GB SATA SDD with Windows 10, a 1 TB SATA spinning HD with misc storage, a Samsung (5 1/2Ē) DVD Burner, and a Hauppauge HVR-1800 (PCIe) digital/analog tuner.  I envision in the new system putting Windows 10 on the M2, keeping Linux on the SSD (never the two shall exist on the same HD), repurpose the 120 GB for temp storage, offload the 1 TB spinning HD to a NAS.  I would like to have a DVD burner available for ripping CDs, etc but that could be a portable USB, and replace the tuner card with a half-height PCIe tuner card. If I could have all that stuff in an mini-ITX great, otherwise the Rosewell mico-ATX case sure beats my present Antec ATX mid-tower.

One last comment, it looks like there is about a $50 difference difference in price between the MBs in the Home Office PC and the Home Office /Theater configurations is there a reliable mini-ITX B450 MB closer in price to the Home Office PC MB?

I enjoy reading these guides they are very straight-forward and knowledgable - for me as Yogi Berra said ďYou can observe a lot just by watchingĒ.

I think the only component in your list that really necessitates going with a tower case is the PCIe tuner card. And even then, what you could do if you have the budget for it is use a half-height PCIe tuner card in an ultra-compact case like the one in the $1,000 HTPC Buyer's Guide. That has space for any half-height card, and while the typical use is a graphics card, that's not necessary if you're using the 220GE processor. It does require a more expensive power supply, so the price really isn't comparable, but it will do everything you want in a very compact form factor.

You could theoretically fit an optical drive in this system, too, which gets it one step closer to your ideal system. The Athlon processor comes with a cooler that will fit under the DVD bay, which is nice, as Ryzen processors come with a cooler that is too big. Give it some thought - the only thing you'll need to dump is one of those SSDs, but honestly, I don't think that's such a a sacrifice. You really don't need both a 60GB SSD and a 120GB SSD in a system with a 500GB SSD.

As for motherboards, unfortunately ITX motherboards always carry a premium. One advantage is that they are typically a bit higher end, for example including built-in WiFi.

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Thanks for the info. Totally agree that the Asus board is a nonstarter. In the picture it looks like it only has 1 PCIe slot too. Is that right? Not sure what the point is over an ITX board if thatís the case. [edit: I see the PCIe x4 slot now].

Based on the info you provided, Iíd probably go with the MSI board. I used an ITX board from MSI in my FTZ01 htpc and have no complaints. The lack of WiFi in the Gigabyte board is a deal breaker from my perspective.  Iím willing to shop carefully for a dual slot gpu to make it all work together.

Funny you should mention the Evolv. I agree itís the best looking mATX case Iíve come across. I looked through what Thermaltake, Cooler Master, Silverstone, and Fractal Design had to offer and I didnít see anything sleeker. I can probably deal with mediocre cooling as I donít think Iím that interested in big overclocks. I do wish the case was smaller though. For me, I am most interested in sff builds and seeing how small a package a full-featured system can fit in (hence my interest in downsizing a system with an optane drive). Iíll probably keep perusing the cases on the market, but I think it will be hard to top the Evolv.

As always, thanks for your thoughtful response. TBG has been a big part of getting me into diy pc building.

Best,
Ben

Always happy to help a fellow DIY PC enthusiast, especially one that came to it through TBG!

I have two other case suggestions for you, just to give you some options:

(1) SilverStone LD01: featuring glass panels on three sides, along with a major offset in the front to allow cooling air in, this is the only case on the market that can lay claim to being a "glass box" and still offering enthusiast-level cooling. It's also just 37 liters (5 liters than the Evolv mATX). In terms of aesthetics, I personally like the Evolv more (and its swinging doors are particularly slick), but the LD01 may appeal to you if you want that glass look more than aluminum. It also uses a rotated motherboard facing the right panel, which may allow you to better show off your build better depending on which side of your desk the PC will sit. Note that it doesn't come with any fans, but it can fit dual 140mm fans up front, and I'd recommend starting with one Noctua NF-A14. I did a preview of it from the CES 2018 showfloor, which will give you an up-close view.

(2) In-Win 301c: as with most In-Win cases, this one is absolutely about form over function, but that does mean it's a very small 26 liters. The issue is that its cooling system is "creative" (i.e., pretty bad). There is no front air intake - all air must come in through the side vents. But it does look pretty cool, and has RGB lighting, USB Type-C Gen 2, and a glass panel all at a very good price. I also did a video preview of it from the CES 2018 showfloor, which will give you an idea of the size and layout. Note that it will also require the addition of at least one fan, and it will only fit 120mm models.

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