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And here's the Thermaltake Floe 280mm at Amazon. That's the cooler you'll want if you do indeed get the new case.

Thermaltake View 71 or H500M?  Gonna go with the Thermaltake 280 fan you recommended but not sure which case to get.  I see the View 71 is the one you now recommend in the $3500 build... Your thoughts?

I like them both. The Thermaltake View 71 is arguably the better-looking case, the Cooler Master H500M has better airflow. They used to be the same price, now the H500M has jumped in price while the View 71 has fallen, so my pick is the View 71. I also vastly prefer Thermaltake's hinged glass doors to Cooler Master's drop-in system. I have used both on test cases I have sitting next to me (the TT A500 and CM H500P).

Booted with new cheap ram and graphics card removed.   SO installing windows and updating drivers/bios.... how to determine if the Corsair ram is BAD or was not recognized for another reason?

That's great news. I'm still pretty shocked that both Corsair sticks were bad. With that said, the sticks listed in the guide are totally mainstream, used in hundreds of reader builds, so it's not an inherent incompatibility.

You can reach out to Corsair to get an RMA, or if you prefer you can just return them outright.

I ordered off your list, but I'm a little confused about the number of fans.  Does the case come with 3 fans on the front?  But you specify 2 fans on the radiator.  Wouldn't it be more aesthetic with 3 on front and 3 on top?

The Thermaltake View 71 only fits two 140mm fans in front, and that's what it comes with. Aesthetically it may look better if you raise one or both, but going with three would require smaller 120mm fans. The choice regarding the liquid cooler is simply a matter of preference. I think sticking with 140mm fans in the system is a better look, and again, that means two fans.

I just ordered all the parts! Excited to get everything next week.  I plan to stick with my GTX1080 for now, any tips/pointers to get started?

Welcome to the Forum, octtree!

The $3,500 build is definitely worth getting excited about!

And yes, I have some pointers - in fact, I have about two hours worth of pointers - check out TBG's brand-new 2019 high-end PC build video series, which uses parts nearly identical to the $3,500 build!

I got impatient waiting for the substitute ram.

Wanted to rule out a short.
I pulled out the MOBO, stripped it down to MOBO+CPU+1 RAM in slot 2 away from CPU.  CPU fan plugged in to the side.  With 24 pin and 8 pin (2-4x4) Even took out the M2 drive.  HDMI cable running to my old basic monitor.
Re-checked CPU slot, it looks fine.

Same outcome, restart loop, same sequence.   

I did notice they released a new BIOS version F7 last week 3-15.  Could this be part of the problem?

Release description:
Support Intel 9th generation R0 stepping processors
Update CPU microcode
Update Intel IRST version
Support Intel Optane H10
Support 32G UDIMM

One other note, I posted the same call for help on Gigabyte eSupport, their test scenario is similar to what I did, stripped down MOBO+ CPU  but advised a different RAM slot.  "Slot 1 closest to 24-in ATX"

Substitute ram comes tomorrow and we'll give it a shot in the assembled system.

It sounds like you've triple-checked everything. At this point it probably is a defective part. The easiest to replace is the RAM, but it's unlikely both of your sticks are defective. For that reason, I'm betting it could be the motherboard. We'll soon see.

Bummer about the new TV. I look forward to hearing how the replacement works!

Well I've been waiting patiently for Sunny Cove/10nm Ice Lake or whatever you want to call it from Intel...  Everything I've read has been saying late 2019 but I'm starting to feel now that I'm seeing Comet Lake aka Skylake refresh #1000 that it might be 2020 before Ice Lake hits desktops.  What's your opinion on this?  I know Intel takes their sweet time and constantly has hit road blocks with 10nm.  Should I just wait it out with my 7700k or go for a 10 core Comet Lake?  Are they any other tangible benefits to Comet Lake other than increasing the core count?  When do you expect Ice Lake? 

ORRRR should I look into/wait for the upcoming Ryzen chips?

I don't have too much insight into Intel's plans, other than the fact that Comet Lake is just Coffee Lake with two extra cores, same architecture, same node, which means it will be a furnace. Luckily, Zen 2 will be here long before anything from Intel hits the market, so you can take a look at those and decide if they meet your needs. I'm expecting AMD to at least catch Intel if not surpass it this time around, at least for a short while.

The 7700K is pretty underpowered at this point. I still have one, but it's in my rarely-used HTPC gaming machine. The Ryzen 7 2700X and Core i9-9900K are the CPUs used in TBG's two main systems.

No change with either ram card.  Did I mention the LED on the DDR4 illuminates?  At least part of it is being powered. 

As for testing a different DDR4 card, I've ordered one, no stores in my area carry any.

I'd also suggest doing this test with onboard video, after removing the GeForce video card. Additionally, check that the 8-pin and 24-pin power cables are fully inserted into the motherboard and the power supply power terminals. There is an optional 4-pin input on the motherboard, but the power supply doesn't support this extra connection.

Thanks for the welcome!  I will try this again when I get home from work.   Just to clarify once the lock tabs snap up I stop applying pressure correct?   

I'm thinking of picking up some cheap DDR4 on the way home, as a next step test dummy. Will any DDR4 work or is there further spec details to consider?

For help on installing DDR4 RAM, you may want to watch TBG's new build tutorial video, which I've queued up to the RAM discussion at this link.

Any DDR4 RAM will work. Go for the cheapest single DDR4-2133 stick you can find (but not DDR3!).

Has anyone built the March version?  I got all my parts last night put them together and can't get to BIOS no display.

Specs are literally the components listed. with the extra front panel fan and the recommended monitor.

When I press the power button, everything kicks on briefly than shuts off, than going into a constant reboot loop. 
System kicks back on, all LEDs on RAM/graphic card/mobo.  Fan speed seems reduced.  CPU and DRAM LED are blinking alternatively.  This lasts for 5-10 seconds, shuts down and repeats this process until PSU is disconnected.

So far I have attempted
-remove graphic card
-remove ram,  1 ram in various slots
-removed the cpu cooler and back plate to rule out short
-removed and inspected cpu socket, looks OK
-checked all connections

Same scenario.

There is a standoff missing in the middle lower portion of the MOBO, either this is a required ground or I have a bad piece of hardware, or power problem???  Am I on the right track?

Any advice would be appreciated.

Welcome to the Forum, Accideous!

The scenario you're describing is actually a pretty standard error loop, and is unlikely to be caused by faulty hardware. Over 50% of the time, this loop is caused by a memory error. It sounds like you've done some thorough trouble-shooting, but I'd suggest you pull both your RAM sticks again, and insert just one into the second slot away from the CPU, and press VERY firmly on both ends of the stick so that it fully seats into the RAM slot. Report back on whether this solves the problem.

In terms of the standoff, it's not actually that anything is missing. The Gigabyte Z390 Gaming X motherboard is a narrower spec than standard ATX, and so what you need to do to fully affix it to the case is to use just six standoffs. Gigabyte includes a seventh standoff hole, but that doesn't conform to the ATX spec and the Phanteks case doesn't have a standoff in that position. These aren't defects, just design choices. Going narrower on the motherboard saves money, which is why the Gaming X is one of the least expensive Z390 motherboards on the market.

Hi, iím wondering if this build will work with the cooler master H500P Mesh? Iím relatively new to pc building and Iím not sure.

Welcome to the Forum, D2F!

The Cooler Master H500P Mesh is a great case - in fact, TBG reviewed it right here. It also appeared in TBG's monthly build guides for most of 2018, and would still be in the guides if it hadn't sold out during the holidays and remained out of stock for 3 months!

I actually noticed it had come back in stock a few days ago, so it's been on my mind. And the good news is that while it isn't the typical style for the $5,000 Gaming/Productivity Build, it will work with one minor change. The big issue for that build is the size of the cooler. The 360mm cooler won't fit in the H500P (at least not in the proper location, which is the roof of the case). So instead of that cooler, I recommend the Themaltake Floe 280mm, which is nearly as powerful and will fit perfectly. Thanks to the tremendous airflow of the case, you really don't need the bigger cooler anyway.

The Home Office PC Build / Re: First PC Build - Thanks TBG!
« on: March 15, 2019, 08:27:40 PM »
So after much research and spending a lot of time cruising through the guides here, I decided to take on my first PC build. I'm not a PC gamer, and I don't really do many activities that require anything high-end for crazy performance. The $500 build was what really got me started, but I had a little more to spend so I made some minor upgrades. Here's what I went with:

-Gigabyte B450 DS3H (Listed in guide) $74.99
-Ryzen 5 2400G w/ Vega Graphics (Upgrade) $139.99
-Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8) 2400 (Upgrade) $93.99
-EVGA 450 BT, 80+ Bronze 450W (Listed in guide) $39
-Cooler Master MCW-L3B3-KANN-01 MasterBox Lite 3.1 Case (Upgrade) $47.09
-ASUS VS228H-P 21.5" Full HD 1920x1080 (Read some reviews, thought it looked good for my needs. Also didn't have a monitor already.) $99.99
-TP-Link Archer PCIe Wireless WiFi (Listed in guide - this thing is awesome!) $39.99
-WD Blue 3D NAND 500GB PC SSD (Listed in guide) $67.99
-Microsoft Wired Keyboard (Listed in guide) $14.96
-I was able to snag a free copy of Windows 10 Education from my school which was AWESOME. $0.00
-Logitech speakers from Best Buy, nothing fancy. $30
   Total: ~$650

I'm super happy with everything and the satisfaction is real! I took it slow and put it all together, and everything booted right up and is working great a couple days later. I like to have a ton of tabs and documents and stuff open while doing school stuff so I opted for the RAM upgrade despite most places saying that 8GB would likely be sufficient, but everything feels really fast and smooth so I'm happy with it. What do you guys think? It's a little late for changes now, but I'd love to hear any advice anyone may have moving forward. Just wanted to say thanks again TBG, you definitely helped me out.


Welcome to the Forum, cmoney6, and thanks so much for sharing this positive experience!

Honestly, the fact that it booted right up for you means you must have done a really thorough job building it, because most first-time builders miss a few steps here and there.

This platform will last you a long time - the 2400G is currently the fastest AMD CPU with built-in graphics, making it a very good choice for you right now. With that 500GB SSD and 16GB of RAM, your OS is going to feel fast no matter what, so no upgrades needed there.


I saw a post on your forums about problems with this case I told you earlier in this thread I wanted to get and saw where you said you quit recommending it because of said problems...  Would it still be okay for my use or would you steer my somewhere else?

The issue with it isn't a functional one, but it's one that will confuse a lot of PC builders. The H500M has 4 USB 3.0 ports plus a USB Type-C port, but there are no motherboards under $350 with sufficient headers to connect all those ports. So rather than start spec'ing the guides with what I consider overpriced motherboards, I simply pulled the H500M from the guide.

As long as you're OK with having a few of those ports non-operative or running at USB 2.0 speeds via this SilverStone adapter, it's an excellent case.

Is this build compatible with SLI?
What would I need to do to add a second GPU

Welcome to the Forum, SumNeuron!

Yes, you can use SLI in this build. Besides the second card, you would need an NV-Link bridge (not the HB SLI bridge that comes with the motherboard). Specifically, you need a 3-slot model, not a 4-slot model, and to match this build's current motherboard, you can go with the Gigabyte Aorus Bridge.


What's the best way to check voltage under load? And what stress test do you recomand to test? CPU-Z one is ok?

You can try to use CPU-Z by launching the stress test and then flipping to the first info tab where you can find voltages, but I find the app somewhat unresponsive when it's running the stress test, so it may or may not give good readings. Another option is to load the Gigabyte SIV software, which will allow you to monitor voltages independently of CPU-Z while running the CPU-Z stress test.

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