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Title: June 2019: HTPC Case alternatives for the new builder
Post by: New-Be on June 02, 2019, 04:22:39 PM
Dear TBD,
I am approximately two months away from pulling the trigger on my HTPC per your recommendations.
I am not an experienced builder and I want a bigger case than the SilverStone GD09 ATX Case.  I am leaning toward the Nanoxia NXDS3B DS3 Mid-Tower case; that is beginner friendly or the SilverStone CS-GD08B in the probable event that I mess up and have to disassemble parts.  I am developing a retreat plan.
Four questions:
1.   Which case is more beginner friendly of the two options; from the GD09 ATX case?
2.   If I go with the bigger case would you change your motherboard recommendation from the Gigabyte B450 Aorus Elite?
3.   When I put all your recommendations in my Amazon Cart, how does TBG get credit for the sell?  I would not attempt this build without your site, recommendations and support.
4.   I would like USB 3.1 for my connections.  Is that a motherboard option or are you limited by the case.
Title: Re: June 2019: HTPC Case alternatives for the new builder
Post by: Ari Altman on June 02, 2019, 11:01:38 PM
Welcome to the forum, New-Be. Great name, but it won't apply once you get your system built!

I'll answer all your questions, but first, I'd like to know where you will place the system. The Nanoxia DS3 is a huge tower case, so I assume you would place it on the floor. Do you have a preference at all for a shelf-friendly system?
Title: Re: June 2019: HTPC Case alternatives for the new builder
Post by: New-Be on June 04, 2019, 10:32:50 PM
I am planning on configuring a rack system -industrial motif- component system near the Monitor and Audio Video system.  I am not going too use a conventional entertainment system. I do not want to go up more than four feet high on the rack.

I am not looking to skip on the case.  I want function over form.  I have no experience with designing air flow management with respect to computer and component heat loads.  Therefore, I am totally dependent upon your knowledge and recommendations.

I do not plan on over clocking the component.  I just need room to work in the case and allow for appropriate air flow.  I do not want to go the liquid cooling route.  However I do want a quite system.

Much Thanks.
Title: Re: June 2019: HTPC Case alternatives for the new builder
Post by: Ari Altman on June 05, 2019, 09:08:04 AM
I am planning on configuring a rack system -industrial motif- component system near the Monitor and Audio Video system.  I am not going too use a conventional entertainment system. I do not want to go up more than four feet high on the rack.

I am not looking to skip on the case.  I want function over form.  I have no experience with designing air flow management with respect to computer and component heat loads.  Therefore, I am totally dependent upon your knowledge and recommendations.

I do not plan on over clocking the component.  I just need room to work in the case and allow for appropriate air flow.  I do not want to go the liquid cooling route.  However I do want a quite system.

Much Thanks.

OK, that makes sense. In this situation, you should probably use a traditional tower case, as it will be easier to work in and has the potential to be quieter as well. With that said, let me answer your original four questions:

1.   Which case is more beginner friendly of the two options; from the GD09 ATX case?

A tower case is more friendly than the GD08 you mentioned, but I would not use the Nanoxia DS3, as it's quite outdated. That was a case recommended on TBG about 3-4 years ago, but it wouldn't be a good choice today. My recommendation given your preference for quiet operation, air cooling, ease of building, and an industrial motif would be the Phanteks Eclipse P600S (https://www.amazon.com/Phanteks-Performance-Tempered-dampening-Anthracite/dp/B07N1MBZ1W/ref=as_li_ss_tl?keywords=phanteks+p600s&qid=1559748726&s=gateway&sr=8-1&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=fd535419d53d9e9dce7607a71c014b72&language=en_US). It's a brand-new, cutting-edge case, with excellent style, ease of use, and sound-absorbing paneling. If that is over your price range, two other options are the Corsair 275Q (https://www.amazon.com/CORSAIR-Carbide-Mid-Tower-Quiet-Gaming/dp/B07KGSBWJP/ref=as_li_ss_tl?keywords=corsair+275q&qid=1559748861&s=gateway&sr=8-1&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=082bacfd79bc687afbec1a46933bf093&language=en_US) and the beQuiet Pure Base 600 (https://www.amazon.com/quiet-BGW20-Pure-Window-Orange/dp/B01N9ONQSK/ref=as_li_ss_tl?keywords=bequiet+600&qid=1559748929&s=gateway&sr=8-1&th=1&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=f294c94cecc1f878f9c6028db811bb59&language=en_US).

2.   If I go with the bigger case would you change your motherboard recommendation from the Gigabyte B450 Aorus Elite?

Yes, you can use a wider motherboard, but I will return to my recommendation in a moment, as you also mention USB 3.1.

3.   When I put all your recommendations in my Amazon Cart, how does TBG get credit for the sell?  I would not attempt this build without your site, recommendations and support.

Thank you for asking about this. TBG gets credit if you make a purchase from Amazon within 24 hours of following any link on the site (whether in the forum or in the guides), and adding items to your cart. If you already have the items in your cart before clicking a link, TBG does not get credit, and likewise, TBG does not get credit if you add the items to your cart after following a link and make a purchase more than 24 hours later. The good news is that you only have to click one link, and then you can add all the items you need to your cart directly from the Amazon site if you wish.

4.   I would like USB 3.1 for my connections.  Is that a motherboard option or are you limited by the case.

Good question. USB 3.1 (and Type-C specifically) is something worth having on a premium PC today. But it requires two things: motherboard support and case support. Only premium cases offer USB 3.1 Type-C, and of the ones I listed earlier, only the Phanteks P600S (https://www.amazon.com/Phanteks-Performance-Tempered-dampening-Anthracite/dp/B07N1MBZ1W/ref=as_li_ss_tl?keywords=phanteks+p600s&qid=1559748726&s=gateway&sr=8-1&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=fd535419d53d9e9dce7607a71c014b72&language=en_US) has it. But to enable it, you also need a high-end motherboard.  An example would be the Asus X470-Pro (https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Prime-X470-Pro-Ryzen-Motherboard/dp/B07C57Q1XH/ref=as_li_ss_tl?keywords=x470+strix&qid=1559750527&s=gateway&sr=8-3&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=34852dd7e2cfad0f7963ef85477f49b7&language=en_US). Here's an image from the Asus website showing you what this cutting-edge motherboard header looks like:

(https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/PRIME-X470-PRO/websites/global/products/UgEiSzqGYsO9120M/img/picnav-n4.jpg)

Any other questions? Post them here!
Title: Re: June 2019: HTPC Case alternatives for the new builder
Post by: New-Be on June 05, 2019, 10:57:37 AM
Ari,

I am grateful for your help.  I will review these recommendations. 

I do not have anything in my Amazon cart, but I do have items in my wish list.  I will build my purchase in the wishlist.  I need to understand how I can put all your recommendations in my cart so that TBG gets credit.  The case you recommended is not on the HTPC project list.

Again,  Much Thanks for your tremendous value added help!!!

 
Title: Re: June 2019: HTPC Case alternatives for the new builder
Post by: Ari Altman on June 05, 2019, 11:17:37 AM
Ari,

I am grateful for your help.  I will review these recommendations. 

I do not have anything in my Amazon cart, but I do have items in my wish list.  I will build my purchase in the wishlist.  I need to understand how I can put all your recommendations in my cart so that TBG gets credit.  The case you recommended is not on the HTPC project list.

Again,  Much Thanks for your tremendous value added help!!!

There was one thing I overlooked with the case: optical drive support. It's extremely hard to find modern cases with both an optical drive bay and a USB Type-C port, as most new high-end cases that add Type-C have dropped optical drive bays. One of the few quiet-focused cases with both features is the brand-new Corsair Carbide 678Q (https://www.amazon.com/CORSAIR-Carbide-Noise-Tempered-Glass/dp/B07MG8LB9J/ref=as_li_ss_tl?keywords=corsair+CC-9011170-WW&qid=1559758160&s=gateway&sr=8-5&th=1&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=d5f107baa025b79fdeb2e73fbaf3596a&language=en_US).

What I'll do here is create a list here so you can use the links to add your items to the cart. Alternatively, you can add them to your wishlist and then come back to this thread later on, click any link, and then move all your items to the cart from your wishlist.

1) CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 2700 (https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-Processor-Wraith-Cooler/dp/B07B41717Z/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&qid=1524087863&sr=8-1&keywords=ryzen+7+2700&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=5b430b084955f19ba7a1104c1c352e98)
2) Motherboard: Asus X470-Pro (https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Prime-X470-Pro-Ryzen-Motherboard/dp/B07C57Q1XH/ref=as_li_ss_tl?keywords=Asus+X470-Pro&qid=1559757702&s=gateway&sr=8-2&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=b7d203c42f3e1f5a37efb60f5241ebc3&language=en_US) with USB Type-C
3) Video card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1660 Ti OC (https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-GeForce-DisplayPort-Windforce-Gv-N166TOC-6GD/dp/B07NJPKZQG/ref=as_li_ss_tl?keywords=gigabyte+gtx+1660+ti&qid=1559260018&s=gateway&sr=8-2&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=f08d2ef22f116b1536d69e1a8c36cef5&language=en_US)
4) RAM: Ballistix 2x8GB Sport LT DDR4-3200 (https://www.amazon.com/Ballistix-Single-PC4-21300-288-Pin-Memory/dp/B07MNJP6RW/ref=as_li_ss_tl?keywords=Ballistix+2x8GB+Sport+LT+DDR4-2666+SR&qid=1558123166&s=gateway&sr=8-3-fkmrnull&th=1&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=0027e1f8859ecc2e7b200f79abfe29ee&language=en_US)
5) SSD: Crucial P1 1TB PCIe (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07J2Q4SWZ/ref=as_li_ss_tl?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=a140e33d3c16e033cc743311d47346b4&language=en_US)
6) Case: Corsair Carbide 678Q (https://www.amazon.com/CORSAIR-Carbide-Noise-Tempered-Glass/dp/B07MG8LB9J/ref=as_li_ss_tl?keywords=corsair+CC-9011170-WW&qid=1559758160&s=gateway&sr=8-5&th=1&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=d5f107baa025b79fdeb2e73fbaf3596a&language=en_US)
7) Power Supply: Seasonic SSR-550PX (https://www.amazon.com/Seasonic-SSR-550PX-Platinum-Modular-Warranty/dp/B074N8YBK9/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1522638388&sr=1-3&keywords=platinum+550w&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=d18978574c455e95a580e665a3aaec4a)
8 ) Optical Drive: LG 14x Blu-Ray Burner (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007VPGL5U/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B007VPGL5U&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=A6PM5M5JZFHFSSNV)
9) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U14S (https://www.amazon.com/Noctua-NH-U14S-Premium-Cooler-NF-A15/dp/B00C9FLSLY/ref=as_li_ss_tl?keywords=noctua+Nh-u14s&qid=1559758310&s=gateway&sr=8-2&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=535bd9c1cf60816c3f88b582e1af5e46&language=en_US)
10) Wireless Card: TP-Link Archer T6E (https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Archer-T6E-Wireless-Technology/dp/B016K0896K/ref=as_li_ss_tl?keywords=TP-LINK+Archer+T6E+AC1300&qid=1559333243&s=gateway&sr=8-1&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=6cb05aefa345522784d275e80c71a6ea&language=en_US)
11) Operating System: Windows 10 Home USB (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B075RM5BHV/ref=as_li_ss_tl?smid=ASF0S1GFIHF5V&psc=1&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=3a190d100f86acb7bc71435ece1420a6&language=en_US)

Note that due to your use of a tower case, you can opt for a much more robust cooling solution, and I've listed my personal favorite CPU cooler, the Noctua NH-U14S, which is not only incredibly powerful, but also incredibly quiet. It's also among the easiest coolers on the market to install, despite its large size.
Title: Re: June 2019: HTPC Case alternatives for the new builder
Post by: New-Be on June 05, 2019, 11:14:35 PM
Perfect,

Much Thanks.  I have dropped your list into a Word Document, keeping the links active, so that I can open Amazon and populate my cart.

Much Thanks again.

Title: Re: June 2019: HTPC Case alternatives for the new builder
Post by: New-Be on June 05, 2019, 11:32:44 PM
Ari,

I am adding a sound card as well: 

Creative Sound Blaster Zx PCIe Gaming Sound Card, from the $1,200 HTPC; June build.  Is this compatible with the ASUS X470-PRO Motherboard?

Title: Re: June 2019: HTPC Case alternatives for the new builder
Post by: Ari Altman on June 06, 2019, 06:20:29 AM
Ari,

I am adding a sound card as well: 

Creative Sound Blaster Zx PCIe Gaming Sound Card, from the $1,200 HTPC; June build.  Is this compatible with the ASUS X470-PRO Motherboard?

Yes, the soundblaster wil work.

Note that I've actually issued a major update to the June build that will likely carry over into the coming months. Due to issues fitting modern Ryzen ATX motherboards in the GD09 case, and the fact that boards are dropping the number of slots to switch over to M.2 SSDs, the build is now based on the smaller GD05 mATX case. It ironically fits larger coolers and more hard drives. It loses one usable slot in the process plus the second M.2 slot, but this doesn't matter unless you're using more than 3 expansion cards and one M.2 drive.