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Title: CES 2019
Post by: Ari Altman on December 21, 2018, 03:16:59 PM
Check out our coverage of PC product releases right here (https://techbuyersguru.com/ces-2019-cutting-edge-pc-tech)!
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TBG is again attending CES this year, for the fourth year in a row (woo-hoo!). Luckily, at this point, when we knock, companies are more than happy to "let us in". Here are all the companies we'll be meeting with one-on-one during the show:

1. Alphacool - high-end liquid cooling
2. AMD - next-gen Ryzen CPUs
3. Audio-Technica - high-end headphones
4. Cleer - high-end headphones
5. Corsair - cases, coolers, and power supplies
6. Cooler Master - cases and coolers
7. Coral Robots - smart vacuums
8. Creative - PC audio
9. D-Link - wireless networking and Smart Home
10. Ecovacs - smart vacuums
11. Edifier - high-end speakers
12. Hubitat - Smart Home hubs
13. Kwikset - Smart Home locks
14. LG - high-end monitors and Gram laptops
15. Logitech - gaming peripherals
16. Lutron - Smart Home lighting
17. MSI - motherboard and video card innovations
18. Netgear - wireless networking
19. Phanteks - PC cases
20. HyperX - headphones and peripherals
21. Ring - Smart Home doorbells, cameras, and alarms
22. Samsung - SSDs, laptops, high-end monitors, and Smart Home
23. SilverStone - cases and small form factor components
24. TP-Link - wireless networking and Smart Home
25. Thermaltake - cases, coolers, and power supplies
26. Western Digital/SanDisk - solid-state drives
27. Zotac - video cards and pre-built small form factor PCs

We'll also be swinging by the Intel booth (which may have some interesting announcements) and the Nvidia booth (which likely won't have anything PC related, sadly), as well as networking pioneers TP-Link and D-Link, where we'll find out the latest on next-gen 802.11ax!

Do you have questions for any or all of these manufacturers that you've always wanted answered? Post them here and we'll do our best to get you the answers!
Title: Re: CES 2019
Post by: LongJon on December 21, 2018, 06:03:17 PM
Awesome!  Check on Samsung's 2019 TV's if they are there!!  I didn't buy a 2018 and I've been holding out lol.  Also let me know if any new SSD's or other relatable products get revealed that have to do with my new build I'm planning on putting together in 2019 lol.
Title: Re: CES 2019
Post by: Ari Altman on December 21, 2018, 06:07:16 PM
Awesome!  Check on Samsung's 2019 TV's if they are there!!  I didn't buy a 2018 and I've been holding out lol.  Also let me know if any new SSD's or other relatable products get revealed that have to do with my new build I'm planning on putting together in 2019 lol.

Oh, I'll definitely be seeing Samsung's latest TVs. In fact, I have a private showing in their innovation room, which only about a dozen or so members of the media will see at CES. It'll be close to a full hour of demoing their next-gen sets and talking to their engineers.
Title: Re: CES 2019
Post by: LongJon on December 21, 2018, 06:15:52 PM
Awesome!  Check on Samsung's 2019 TV's if they are there!!  I didn't buy a 2018 and I've been holding out lol.  Also let me know if any new SSD's or other relatable products get revealed that have to do with my new build I'm planning on putting together in 2019 lol.

Oh, I'll definitely be seeing Samsung's latest TVs. In fact, I have a private showing in their innovation room, which only about a dozen or so members of the media will see at CES. It'll be close to a full hour of demoing their next-gen sets and talking to their engineers.

I hate you.  JK haha.  Definitely jealous!  Try and get something out of them about HDMI 2.1 and what their plans are for it with their 2019 sets or whenever they plan to release it in 2020.  I've heard that they may do something through the one connect box and update it to 2.1 standards via firmware or something.  Either way, I'm curious what they do because a lot of consumers are wanting to know.  I've heard the above and/or they may release a high end model way in Q3 or Q4 (closer to the mainstream roll out of HDMI 2.1 products) that is true HDMI 2.1 but at this point it's all conjecture and rumors.
Title: Re: CES 2019
Post by: LongJon on January 02, 2019, 07:07:14 PM
I'm curious if they make any strides in the gaming area with the new QLED's.  I know they introduced some features that were supposed to come with HDMI 2.1 last year ala FreeSync and VRR.  I'm curious if they build on that or make those any better this go around.  I also wonder if their top of the line main stream TV's will continue to be QLED's (or atleast use that moniker again) for the 3rd year in a row.  Will Micro LED be more of a factor in 2019?  So many questions I can't wait for answers to.  I've been holding out and I'm ready to buy a new TV lol. 
Title: Re: CES 2019
Post by: Ari Altman on January 02, 2019, 08:17:58 PM
I'm curious if they make any strides in the gaming area with the new QLED's.  I know they introduced some features that were supposed to come with HDMI 2.1 last year ala FreeSync and VRR.  I'm curious if they build on that or make those any better this go around.  I also wonder if their top of the line main stream TV's will continue to be QLED's (or atleast use that moniker again) for the 3rd year in a row.  Will Micro LED be more of a factor in 2019?  So many questions I can't wait for answers to.  I've been holding out and I'm ready to buy a new TV lol.

Last year was a bit of a tease when it came to HDMI 2.1 and MicroLEDs, so I will definitely be pressing Samsung on each and every one of your questions!
Title: Re: CES 2019
Post by: Ari Altman on January 03, 2019, 07:24:55 PM
Just FYI, LG has already come out swinging, saying all its high end OLEDs (everything other than the B9) will have HDMI 2.1, enabling 120Hz at 4K, as well as variable refresh rate. This is huge and sets the benchmark for 2019 TVs, but alas there's no GPU that supports this standard. It would seem shocking that Nvidia didn't include HDMI 2.1 on Turing but for the fact that HDMI 2.1 is a competitor to gsync anda the Nvidia BFGDs, and nvidia makes huge licensing fees from gsync that it seems unwilling to give up even if that means gimping its own products.
Title: Re: CES 2019
Post by: LongJon on January 04, 2019, 11:16:26 AM
Just FYI, LG has already come out swinging, saying all its high end OLEDs (everything other than the B9) will have HDMI 2.1, enabling 120Hz at 4K, as well as variable refresh rate. This is huge and sets the benchmark for 2019 TVs, but alas there's no GPU that supports this standard. It would seem shocking that Nvidia didn't include HDMI 2.1 on Turing but for the fact that HDMI 2.1 is a competitor to gsync seems the Nvidia BFGDs, and nvidia makes huge licensing fees from gsync that it seems unwilling to give up even if that means gimping its own products.

I came here to post what you did because I just read their press release!  Wow.  I'm a Samsung fan and I'd be shocked if LG's new high end OLED's REALLY do have true HDMI 2.1 if Samsung's won't as well.  They usually step up at the high end and take a back seat to no one. 

Please Samsung pleaseeeee.. 

Props to LG though for doing this.  Major boon for them for sure.

Nvidia's pride may end up hurting them in the long run.
Title: Re: CES 2019
Post by: Ari Altman on January 05, 2019, 08:53:02 AM
List of companies TBG is visiting has been updated - it's a packed schedule, folks! Post your questions for these companies here!
Title: Re: CES 2019
Post by: LongJon on January 05, 2019, 11:01:55 AM
List of companies TBG is visiting has been updated - it's a packed schedule, folks! Post your questions for these companies here!

Did you see this? 

https://www.cnet.com/news/lg-confirms-full-hdmi-2-1-support-in-2019-tvs/

In that article above posted yesterday this stuck out to me:

"For its part LG's rival Samsung told CNET it would also support HDMI 2.1 in its 2019 TVs, but wouldn't provide further details -- such as whether it would support the full spec, as LG claims, or just certain parts of it -- by press time."
Title: Re: CES 2019
Post by: Ari Altman on January 05, 2019, 04:06:09 PM
List of companies TBG is visiting has been updated - it's a packed schedule, folks! Post your questions for these companies here!

Did you see this? 

https://www.cnet.com/news/lg-confirms-full-hdmi-2-1-support-in-2019-tvs/

In that article above posted yesterday this stuck out to me:

"For its part LG's rival Samsung told CNET it would also support HDMI 2.1 in its 2019 TVs, but wouldn't provide further details -- such as whether it would support the full spec, as LG claims, or just certain parts of it -- by press time."

Good catch - it would be crazy at this point for Samsung to not match LG, but do keep in mind that when TV companies cater to "hard-core gamers," it isn't PC gamers. There is no PC graphics card with HDMI 2.1 available now or likely to come this year. The gamers TV manufacturers have in mind are the XBox One X who can already use such TVs.

By the way, the article is wrong about one thing: this isn't the first time new HDMI cables have been required to meet a new spec. HDMI 1.2 and earlier cables don't support HDMI 2.0, for example, and the fact that the HDMI consortium never allowed cable manufacturers to actually label their cables with an HDMI version number is just lunacy. In their hysterical attempt to convince consumers that any cable would work, the HDMI consortium simply decimated the value of their standard. And frankly, HDMI 2.1 is such an enormous jump from HDMI 2.0 that I simply can't understand why they haven't adopted the HDMI 3.0 nomenclature, especially given that they are finally acknowledging that a new cable is required. There's so much stupidity in the way HDMI is administered that I honestly can't believe it anyone is running the show.
Title: Re: CES 2019
Post by: Ari Altman on January 06, 2019, 10:23:23 AM
LongJon - now for some interesting news...

HP's Nvidia-powered BFGD that I demo'd at CES last year is now a real product...
...and it's arriving in February for $5,000.

Sure, it has G-Sync up to 144Hz at 4K, but that price just doesn't make sense for a PC gaming display.

What do you think? Is there a potential market for it?
Title: Re: CES 2019
Post by: TekHed on January 06, 2019, 06:31:24 PM
Well...now that I have my SDM rig coming up, and I have some minor burn in on my 2017 LG OLED 60Hz I am definitely in the market for a new 65" screen, preferably one that has at least 120 Hz possible and that won't have burn in and perhaps most important to me...won't pixelate the f--- out of dark scenes... seriously what's the point of OLED "perfect inky blacks" when any time there is a dark scene of "near blacks" it looks like a smudgy mess???
Title: Re: CES 2019
Post by: dpluigi on January 07, 2019, 07:56:19 AM
Hi Ari,

Can you check on VR headset motion tracking offerings and new development?  I am interested what are the big players will be doing (HTC, Oculus, Samsung (Odyssey +) but also PIMAX).  I am on the market for my first home use VR headset besides my Samsung VR Gear from my Galaxy cellphone and after a hiatus of 15 years from the field of VR, when I did a three years stint when it was mostly research work and almost no consumer electronics?!
HTC is supposed to make an announcement this afternoon.

Thank you,
Donat
Title: Re: CES 2019
Post by: LongJon on January 07, 2019, 03:01:44 PM
Just got done watching Samsungís CES briefing... They didnít reveal much.  When will we know all the good details about their entire tv lineup?
Title: Re: CES 2019
Post by: Ari Altman on January 07, 2019, 04:13:34 PM
Just got done watching Samsungís CES briefing... They didnít reveal much.  When will we know all the good details about their entire tv lineup?

I decided to skip the presser in favor of visiting coolermaster and zotac (where I am now). My private meeting with samsung on Wednesday should reveal much more than the press conference. Stay tuned!
Title: Re: CES 2019
Post by: Ari Altman on January 08, 2019, 02:06:11 AM
Check out TBG's YouTube coverage of HP's uber-premium $5,000 65" 4K Gaming Display here (https://youtu.be/JNSmXncMQJg).
Title: Re: CES 2019
Post by: TekHed on January 08, 2019, 03:17:31 AM
Ugh, the built in soundbar is a deal-breaker for me. Anyone who has this kind of money already has a home theater. I don't want or need the extra weight or cost it incurs.

Do you think there will be a BFGD with no soundabar from other companies?
Title: Re: CES 2019
Post by: Ari Altman on January 08, 2019, 07:38:35 AM
Ugh, the built in soundbar is a deal-breaker for me. Anyone who has this kind of money already has a home theater. I don't want or need the extra weight or cost it incurs.

Do you think there will be a BFGD with no soundabar from other companies?

First of all, don't worry - it can be detached! In fact, during the demo, it's just sitting on the table under the TV, although it does include a bracket to wall mount it under the TV. Also, I specifically challenged the HP product lead on this, asking whether this was "thrown in" to justify hitting the $5,000 price, and she said that in their consumer studies, the majority of users said they wanted the sound bar included, and that in reality it didn't add much to the cost (on the order of $100). The only thing that I'm a little worried about is that they didn't survey the right consumers, because I agree that anyone with $5,000 to spend on a "TV" (that's not a TV, by the way, since it has no tuner), also has a high-end AV setup.

Anyway, so far, no one else has announced a BFGD, and even if they do, don't expect them to come in under $5,000 even without a soundbar.
Title: Re: CES 2019
Post by: LongJon on January 08, 2019, 10:53:25 AM
Just got done watching Samsungís CES briefing... They didnít reveal much.  When will we know all the good details about their entire tv lineup?

I decided to skip the presser in favor of visiting coolermaster and zotac (where I am now). My private meeting with samsung on Wednesday should reveal much more than the press conference. Stay tuned!

What time Wednesday is your private meeting with Samsung?  And as far as the HO BFGD, I think itís aweome that itís out there for someone to buy now.  Itís really cool.  But Iím going to have my main big ďtvĒ and until Iím older with a lot more money and can justify it, I donít see myself getting this because it would be painful surfing the web or doing work related tasks on a monitor that big.  Therefore it would be JUST for gaming basically.  Which means Iíd have a stupid awesome PC only used for gaming which also isnít cost effective.  I still think the perfect seeet spot is around 40Ē but Iím honestly not sure. 

Have you found out anything about new cases/SSDís etc?
Title: Re: CES 2019
Post by: Ari Altman on January 08, 2019, 11:00:35 AM
Agreed on pricepoint of HP's BFGD. I specifically asked if they expected it to be used as a desktop monitor, and they said no. But I'm concerned that anyone with a PC worthy pairing with this monitor simply isn't going to have it in the living room.

And cases/PSUs? Definitely! Here's my coolermaster coverage: https://youtu.be/GFFuigsn4Zo

At thermaltake now, already visited phanteks, and will hit corsair this afternoon and silverstone tomorrow. More videos coming soon!
Title: Re: CES 2019
Post by: TekHed on January 08, 2019, 01:00:40 PM
Ah, hm...IGN had reported making it seem like it could not be removed.

Hm...I am DEFINITELY the target audience for this, but...

Did you say that there will be other new TVs that support 120Hz? My understanding is that g-synch is just meant to support the ever changing high frame rates of high end gaming PCs...but I'm so used to 30-60 on consoles that if I set my PC to output a consistent 120 and with a tv that can support that I'm sure it would just be smooth as butter to me, no g-synch needed...and probably for less $$$
Title: Re: CES 2019
Post by: Ari Altman on January 08, 2019, 11:53:31 PM
TekHed - there are a number of 120Hz TVs, but HDMI 2.0 can only transmit 120Hz signals at 1080p, rather than 4K. It will require HDMI 2.1 to support 120Hz at 4K, and not only are there no TVs on the market with this (yet), there also aren't any video cards, and there likely won't be until mid-2020. Therefore, the HP Empirium is the only option at this point, which may on its own justify the $5,000 price.
Title: Re: CES 2019
Post by: TekHed on January 09, 2019, 12:18:32 AM
So what is going to happen when I plug my SDM into my LG B7??? I only get 1080p, upscaled by the tv???
Title: Re: CES 2019
Post by: Ari Altman on January 09, 2019, 01:22:40 AM
So what is going to happen when I plug my SDM into my LG B7??? I only get 1080p, upscaled by the tv???

You'll get 4K at 60Hz via HDMI 2.0.
Title: Re: CES 2019
Post by: Ari Altman on January 09, 2019, 01:24:05 AM
I've put together a landing page on TBG where you can check out videos of all the hottest PC-related product releases at CES 2019. Check it out right here (https://techbuyersguru.com/ces-2019-cutting-edge-pc-tech)!

More videos to be added over the next few days, all at that link.
Title: Re: CES 2019
Post by: LongJon on January 09, 2019, 05:25:01 PM
Anything from the meeting with Samsung today??  I can't find anything!
Title: Re: CES 2019
Post by: Ari Altman on January 09, 2019, 05:54:08 PM
Anything from the meeting with Samsung today??  I can't find anything!

Yes. Will post full article later this week. All 2019 models will have HDMI 2.1, offering parts of the spec important to gamers: 4K, 120Hz, variable refresh rate, and the first AMD Freesync TV on the market. But remember, there's no video cards that will do anything with these specs this year.
Title: Re: CES 2019
Post by: LongJon on January 09, 2019, 06:26:14 PM
Anything from the meeting with Samsung today??  I can't find anything!

Yes. Will post full article later this week. All 2019 models will have HDMI 2.1, offering parts of the spec important to gamers: 4K, 120Hz, variable refresh rate, and the first AMD Freesync TV on the market. But remember, there's no video cards that will do anything with these specs this year.

Awesome and good to know.  From the little I could find it seemed all they really talked about was 8K.  Glad to see they are still committed to improving 4K since it's still by far the main medium at the moment.  Looking forward to hearing more.  I use my TV for sports, blu ray's, streaming, Console Gaming which is still pretty important to me and having HDMI 2.1 with my Xbox One X has my pretty excited to try it out.  Not to mention I'm sure Sony's next console in 2019/2020 will support FreeSync as well as all future Xbox Consoles.  Console gaming is about to get a lot better.  Frame rates still won't touch PC for some time I'm sure, but still a great improvement with 2.1.

I look forward to hearing about picture quality improvements to their 4K line. 

I wonder how much their 65' 8K panel will cost compared to the same high end 4K panel.
Title: Re: CES 2019
Post by: TekHed on January 09, 2019, 06:30:54 PM
Dang, guess I'll have to upgrade my SDM GPUs next year!
Title: Re: CES 2019
Post by: LongJon on January 10, 2019, 03:40:59 PM
Ari when will Samsung announce their entire lineup and reveal all the details?
Title: Re: CES 2019
Post by: Ari Altman on January 10, 2019, 03:46:09 PM
Ari when will Samsung announce their entire lineup and reveal all the details?

Like last year, they were pretty firm in not even bothering to announce their 2019 TVs, other than the full like of 8K models (which are just new sizes of the 85" 8K TV launched as a 2018 mid-year model). You're not going to see anything on the 2019 TVs until March at the earliest. They didn't even have a name for the 2019 TV they demonstrated privately to me and other members of the press, although it's likely going to be some variation of Q9F.

I was sitting next to David Katzmaier of Cnet, arguably the most influential TV reviewer in the world, and he was visibly pissed off at Samsung for not answering his question regarding the HDMI spec on the new TVs. When they said they'd get back to him, he said "you've been saying that for three days." They did actually answer his question a few minutes later - specifically, he wanted to know if the 2019 QLEDs would implement 48Gbps HDMI, and the answer is yes. But imagine that it took Cnet three days of asking this question to get an answer, and you'll realize how tight-lipped Samsung is on details.
Title: Re: CES 2019
Post by: LongJon on January 10, 2019, 03:47:53 PM
Ari when will Samsung announce their entire lineup and reveal all the details?

Like last year, they were pretty firm in not even bothering to announce their 2019 TVs, other than the full like of 8K models (which are just new sizes of the 85" 8K TV launched as a 2018 mid-year model). You're not going to see anything on the 2019 TVs until March at the earliest. They didn't even have a name for the 2019 TV they demonstrated privately to me and other members of the press, although it's likely going to be some variation of Q9F.

I was sitting next to David Katzmaier of Cnet, arguably the most influential TV reviewer in the world, and he was visibly pissed off at Samsung for not answering his question regarding the HDMI spec on the new TVs. When they said they'd get back to him, he said "you've been saying that for three days." They did actually answer his question a few minutes later - specifically, he wanted to know if the 2019 QLEDs would implement 48Gbps HDMI, and the answer is yes. But imagine that it took Cnet three days of asking this question to get an answer, and you'll realize how tight-lipped Samsung is on details.

Thanks for the response.  I know that's how they handled it last year.  I was hoping this year they'd revert back to doing it like everyone else.  Oh well.
Title: Re: CES 2019
Post by: Ari Altman on January 10, 2019, 04:02:06 PM
Last year, Samsung won the hearts and minds of enthusiasts, with breakthrough TV tech and serious gaming monitors. Maybe they thought they'd stick with a proven approach. Unfortunately, it was abundantly clear that LG crushed them at CES this year. The mass of people checking out the latest OLEDs was simply staggering, and LG also one-upped Samsung, launching its first serious gaming monitors with specs that beat Samsung, specifically G-Sync.
Title: Re: CES 2019
Post by: LongJon on January 10, 2019, 09:28:22 PM
Last year, Samsung won the hearts and minds of enthusiasts, with breakthrough TV tech and serious gaming monitors. Maybe they thought they'd stick with a proven approach. Unfortunately, it was abundantly clear that LG crushed them at CES this year. The mass of people checking out the latest OLEDs was simply staggering, and LG also one-upped Samsung, launching its first serious gaming monitors with specs that beat Samsung, specifically G-Sync.

Talking about the ultra wide 48 or whatever inch they introduced?  I just don't care for ultra wide's myself. If Samsung somehow drops the ball once they finally unveil their 2019 lineup then i MIGHT consider going the OLED route.  Idk though because most of LG's TV's to me are hideous.  I don't like their style.  But I AM buying a 2019 TV and it's wayyy more than likely to be a Samsung.  The only other TV that could convince me would be an OLED.  We'll see.
Title: Re: CES 2019
Post by: Ari Altman on January 11, 2019, 02:40:48 PM
Last year, Samsung won the hearts and minds of enthusiasts, with breakthrough TV tech and serious gaming monitors. Maybe they thought they'd stick with a proven approach. Unfortunately, it was abundantly clear that LG crushed them at CES this year. The mass of people checking out the latest OLEDs was simply staggering, and LG also one-upped Samsung, launching its first serious gaming monitors with specs that beat Samsung, specifically G-Sync.

Talking about the ultra wide 48 or whatever inch they introduced?  I just don't care for ultra wide's myself. If Samsung somehow drops the ball once they finally unveil their 2019 lineup then i MIGHT consider going the OLED route.  Idk though because most of LG's TV's to me are hideous.  I don't like their style.  But I AM buying a 2019 TV and it's wayyy more than likely to be a Samsung.  The only other TV that could convince me would be an OLED.  We'll see.

Take a serious look at the LG UltraGear 38" (https://youtu.be/EBi2DPqlapU). This absolutely the one to beat this year. At 3840x1600, it packs in more vertical resolution than a typical ultra-wide, while at 38", it's also far bigger. And then you add in G-Sync at 144Hz (not the typical 120Hz or 100Hz), and you realize just how ground-breaking this thing is. It's missing HDR, but otherwise it's a dream spec for a gaming monitor for use on a desktop.

As for a gaming TV, well, you have the $5,000 HP Omen X or any number of TVs that can do 4K/60Hz or 1080p/120Hz, but not 4K/120Hz due to lack of HDMI 2.1 on video cards. For future proofing, the best bet today looks like LG simply because they have been more open about supporting HDMI 2.1, which tells me they are more comfortable with the technology.
Title: Re: CES 2019
Post by: LongJon on January 13, 2019, 05:01:31 PM
Last year, Samsung won the hearts and minds of enthusiasts, with breakthrough TV tech and serious gaming monitors. Maybe they thought they'd stick with a proven approach. Unfortunately, it was abundantly clear that LG crushed them at CES this year. The mass of people checking out the latest OLEDs was simply staggering, and LG also one-upped Samsung, launching its first serious gaming monitors with specs that beat Samsung, specifically G-Sync.

Talking about the ultra wide 48 or whatever inch they introduced?  I just don't care for ultra wide's myself. If Samsung somehow drops the ball once they finally unveil their 2019 lineup then i MIGHT consider going the OLED route.  Idk though because most of LG's TV's to me are hideous.  I don't like their style.  But I AM buying a 2019 TV and it's wayyy more than likely to be a Samsung.  The only other TV that could convince me would be an OLED.  We'll see.

Take a serious look at the LG UltraGear 38" (https://youtu.be/EBi2DPqlapU). This absolutely the one to beat this year. At 3840x1600, it packs in more vertical resolution than a typical ultra-wide, while at 38", it's also far bigger. And then you add in G-Sync at 144Hz (not the typical 120Hz or 100Hz), and you realize just how ground-breaking this thing is. It's missing HDR, but otherwise it's a dream spec for a gaming monitor for use on a desktop.

As for a gaming TV, well, you have the $5,000 HP Omen X or any number of TVs that can do 4K/60Hz or 1080p/120Hz, but not 4K/120Hz due to lack of HDMI 2.1 on video cards. For future proofing, the best bet today looks like LG simply because they have been more open about supporting HDMI 2.1, which tells me they are more comfortable with the technology.

When I speak about my next TV as it relates to gaming, I mean console gaming on my Xbox One X.  So with that said, what are the pros/cons of console gaming on an OLED vs Samsung's QLED's?  I guess all you can go on up to this point is the 2018 models.  I know this will be the first time LG will have VRR and all that in their 2019 set's.  But I've heard the response times and what not are better on OLED's I believe? 

Any who, it's good to know LG will support HDMI 2.1 regardless of what Samsung does.  So I know I have one option locked down.  I'm sure Samsung will support it too but you never know.  I just hope the 2019 LG OLED's get bright enough for me and are good for sports.  Those are the two area's (along with gaming) that are most important to me and it's why I've leaned toward Samsung's all along.  We shall see.
Title: Re: CES 2019
Post by: Ari Altman on January 13, 2019, 06:15:36 PM


When I speak about my next TV as it relates to gaming, I mean console gaming on my Xbox One X.  So with that said, what are the pros/cons of console gaming on an OLED vs Samsung's QLED's?  I guess all you can go on up to this point is the 2018 models.  I know this will be the first time LG will have VRR and all that in their 2019 set's.  But I've heard the response times and what not are better on OLED's I believe? 

Any who, it's good to know LG will support HDMI 2.1 regardless of what Samsung does.  So I know I have one option locked down.  I'm sure Samsung will support it too but you never know.  I just hope the 2019 LG OLED's get bright enough for me and are good for sports.  Those are the two area's (along with gaming) that are most important to me and it's why I've leaned toward Samsung's all along.  We shall see.

Just wait and see what Samsung actually has in store. From seeing their prototype QLED for 2019, I can say the image quality is overall better than OLEDs. The fact is that LG introduced a rollable OLED this year because they didn't have anything else left to wring out of their OLEDs in terms of quality. If they have proper HDMI 2.1 support for 2019, it will be preferable to an OLED.
Title: Re: CES 2019
Post by: LongJon on January 13, 2019, 06:40:03 PM


When I speak about my next TV as it relates to gaming, I mean console gaming on my Xbox One X.  So with that said, what are the pros/cons of console gaming on an OLED vs Samsung's QLED's?  I guess all you can go on up to this point is the 2018 models.  I know this will be the first time LG will have VRR and all that in their 2019 set's.  But I've heard the response times and what not are better on OLED's I believe? 

Any who, it's good to know LG will support HDMI 2.1 regardless of what Samsung does.  So I know I have one option locked down.  I'm sure Samsung will support it too but you never know.  I just hope the 2019 LG OLED's get bright enough for me and are good for sports.  Those are the two area's (along with gaming) that are most important to me and it's why I've leaned toward Samsung's all along.  We shall see.

Just wait and see what Samsung actually has in store. From seeing their prototype QLED for 2019, I can say the image quality is overall better than OLEDs. The fact is that LG introduced a rollable OLED this year because they didn't have anything else left to wring out of their OLEDs in terms of quality. If they have proper HDMI 2.1 support for 2019, it will be preferable to an OLED.

Thanks I'll hold tight and see what Samsung has in store.  And I agree, I remember this time last year you were sort of depressed/shocked that LG had nothing REALLY new for their 2018 OLED's as far as noticeable picture quality enhancements.  It was all about their new processor and basically it's the same thing all over again in 2019.  Kinda disappointing.  At least Samsung has been consistently pushing the boundaries of their QLED's sets in new ways pretty much on a yearly basis.
Title: Re: CES 2019
Post by: Ari Altman on January 13, 2019, 07:47:25 PM

Thanks I'll hold tight and see what Samsung has in store.  And I agree, I remember this time last year you were sort of depressed/shocked that LG had nothing REALLY new for their 2018 OLED's as far as noticeable picture quality enhancements.  It was all about their new processor and basically it's the same thing all over again in 2019.  Kinda disappointing.  At least Samsung has been consistently pushing the boundaries of their QLED's sets in new ways pretty much on a yearly basis.

Sounds like a plan. I was indeed disappointed at LG's progress last year, and I'm pretty disappointed this year in general terms, but their rollable OLED was most definitely a tour de force in terms of innovation. While the application so far is pretty niche, it's an amazing achievement.

Samsung's announcements this year were more of an evolution of last year's developments, and the biggest news, regarding HDMI 2.1, was incredibly hard to get them to talk about. One thing I specifically asked Samsung was whether they would "support the full HDMI 2.1 spec," and they said no, because the spec is too broad for their purposes. We'll see how that pans out, but it could be that they are having a bit of an issue with the HDMI consortium in terms of different priorities.
Title: Re: CES 2019
Post by: LongJon on January 19, 2019, 07:36:17 PM
Any news on new SSD's/motherboards/etc from CES that will find their way into your future builds? 
Title: Re: CES 2019
Post by: Ari Altman on January 19, 2019, 09:37:18 PM
Any news on new SSD's/motherboards/etc from CES that will find their way into your future builds?

In terms of SSDs, the only news came from Seagate, an unlikely place. In fact I walked right by their booth after looking at their display and thinking the SSDs were the same rebranded low end stuff they've done in the past. Turns out it had some high end PCIe specs. We'll have to see how it works before incorporating them into the guides, but 2019 is definitely the year we'll see SATA take a back seat to PCIe in the mainstream market.

One piece of news on motherboards:  AMD is already ramping up production of 500-series chipsets for Zen 2, meaning a lot of current AMD boards are becoming scarce. Not a big deal for gamers, but it does affect TBG's basic builds. And of course Zen 2 could seriously shake up the high end market when it hits this summer. We'll see.
Title: Re: CES 2019
Post by: LongJon on January 19, 2019, 11:03:20 PM
Any news on new SSD's/motherboards/etc from CES that will find their way into your future builds?

In terms of SSDs, the only news came from Seagate, an unlikely place. In fact I walked right by their booth after looking at their display and thinking the SSDs were the same rebranded low end stuff they've done in the past. Turns out it had some high end PCIe specs. We'll have to see how it works before incorporating them into the guides, but 2019 is definitely the year we'll see SATA take a back seat to PCIe in the mainstream market.

One piece of news on motherboards:  AMD is already ramping up production of 500-series chipsets for Zen 2, meaning a lot of current AMD boards are becoming scarce. Not a big deal for gamers, but it does affect TBG's basic builds. And of course Zen 2 could seriously shake up the high end market when it hits this summer. We'll see.

I just hope more PCIe's get more storage while staying semi affordable.  Because I want to get a 2tb 970 Pro and I also want what's currently out there to drop in price some.  Because if I wanted to build my system tomorrow I'd go with the 1tb 970 pro but I'd be wishing for more and have to supplant that with a SATA SSD which is fine, but not preferable. 
Title: Re: CES 2019
Post by: LongJon on January 23, 2019, 01:35:35 PM
Saw some comments made by Samsung recently in an article where they stated all their new 8K TV's that are now available for pre-order currently are equipped with HDMI 2.0 boxes but that they are planning to update (hardware or firmware) them to 2.1 in the future. 

Does that sound accurate?  Does that mean through the one connect box?  I like that LG just came out and stated they are going the full HDMI 2.1 route and shut it down.  Really looking forward to seeing what Samsung announces in their event in March.  Hopefully they come out swinging with a solid upgrade to the Q9F because I'm either going to be getting a 2019 Q8 or Q9, or the equivalent of an LG OLED.  I'm eager to learn moreeee haha.
Title: Re: CES 2019
Post by: Ari Altman on January 23, 2019, 07:33:56 PM
Saw some comments made by Samsung recently in an article where they stated all their new 8K TV's that are now available for pre-order currently are equipped with HDMI 2.0 boxes but that they are planning to update (hardware or firmware) them to 2.1 in the future. 

Does that sound accurate?  Does that mean through the one connect box?  I like that LG just came out and stated they are going the full HDMI 2.1 route and shut it down.  Really looking forward to seeing what Samsung announces in their event in March.  Hopefully they come out swinging with a solid upgrade to the Q9F because I'm either going to be getting a 2019 Q8 or Q9, or the equivalent of an LG OLED.  I'm eager to learn moreeee haha.

If that's how they do it, Samsung is going to be very far behind LG in terms of competitiveness. With that said, the 8K TVs are coming out before the 4K models, so it's possible the 4K models will have HDMI 2.1 built in. Be prepared, however, for all cutting-edge features going forward to roll out to 8K models first. These are going to be the premium models all manufacturers want to promote.
Title: Re: CES 2019
Post by: LongJon on January 23, 2019, 10:37:06 PM
Saw some comments made by Samsung recently in an article where they stated all their new 8K TV's that are now available for pre-order currently are equipped with HDMI 2.0 boxes but that they are planning to update (hardware or firmware) them to 2.1 in the future. 

Does that sound accurate?  Does that mean through the one connect box?  I like that LG just came out and stated they are going the full HDMI 2.1 route and shut it down.  Really looking forward to seeing what Samsung announces in their event in March.  Hopefully they come out swinging with a solid upgrade to the Q9F because I'm either going to be getting a 2019 Q8 or Q9, or the equivalent of an LG OLED.  I'm eager to learn moreeee haha.

If that's how they do it, Samsung is going to be very far behind LG in terms of competitiveness. With that said, the 8K TVs are coming out before the 4K models, so it's possible the 4K models will have HDMI 2.1 built in. Be prepared, however, for all cutting-edge features going forward to roll out to 8K models first. These are going to be the premium models all manufacturers want to promote.

I know I hate it.  I was hoping 2019 would be all about 4K for one more year at least.  I mean, I knew with Samsung having already announced an 8K tv a few months ago that every manufacturer would have 8K models but I didn't think we'd get the onslaught that we got at CES.  I'm still holding out hope that Samsung's top of the line 4K tv will have almost all of the bells and whistles.  Tell me it will Ari!  lol. 

I wouldn't mind an 8K but the no content thing seems like  a wash right now.  I know it can upscale but I'd rather by a great 4K tv now and then 2-3 years from now when more 8k content is available,jump on that train then with an 8K (some what affordable) micro LED tv or something.  Who knows.