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Title: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on August 03, 2017, 04:42:55 PM
Comments or questions on TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build (https://techbuyersguru.com/1800-content-creation-pc-build)? Post them here!
Title: Re: TBG's $1,800 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: hari on October 03, 2018, 06:19:50 PM
Hello,

Thank you for the great guides!

Please excuse my ignorance, but I'm a bit confused by the commentary regarding memory..
From what I can make out, the chosen motherboard (Gigabyte X470 AORUS Ultra) supports dual channel, but the chosen memory (Ballistix Sport LT) is quad channel?

Are these two still compatible?
Or am I better choosing a 2x16GB dual channel memory such as G.Skill Ripjaws V (F4-3200C16D-32GVK)?

Appreciate your help.
Title: Re: TBG's $1,800 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on October 03, 2018, 06:26:47 PM
Welcome to the Forum, hari!

Good question. Actually, channels are different than the number of sticks of RAM, so regardless of whether you use two or four sticks, it's still dual channel.

Also, the kit you mentioned would not work. In fact, AM4 motherboards do not properly support any high speed 16GB sticks at this point, for reasons related to a complex factor called memory rank.
Title: Re: TBG's $1,800 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: hari on October 03, 2018, 07:00:21 PM
Cheers for the fast response, Ari.

Is there any easy way to identify whether a particular memory is single or dual rank?
OEMs don't seem very forthcoming with that information..
Title: Re: TBG's $1,800 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on October 03, 2018, 09:46:07 PM
Cheers for the fast response, Ari.

Is there any easy way to identify whether a particular memory is single or dual rank?
OEMs don't seem very forthcoming with that information..

Unfortunately, most RAM manufacturers don't provide any information on memory rank. The only ones that I've seen do it regularly are Crucial/Balllistix and Kingston/HyperX. But there is one place you can always go to find this information, and that is motherboard manufacturers, as they always provide memory compatibility lists for their products. In the case of the Gigabyte X470 AORUS Ultra (https://www.amazon.com/X470-AORUS-ULTRA-GAMING-Motherboard/dp/B07BZ239Z2/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&qid=1538628102&sr=8-1&keywords=Gigabyte+X470+AORUS+Ultra&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=08e130f0df0f95f4c143da1b7dea5ab1&language=en_US), you can find that list here (https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/X470-AORUS-ULTRA-GAMING-rev-10#support-doc).

Currently, there is no way to produce 16GB RAM modules that are single rank, as the density of memory chips required to do so doesn't yet exist. But Samsung is working on it, so eventually, it should be possible to run more than 32GB on the Ryzen platform. For now, you must use either two 4GB sticks, two 8GB sticks, or four 8GB sticks.
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: fredlegrand on November 23, 2018, 02:02:04 PM
Hello I am buying this motherboard today (Gigabyte X470 Ultra gaming) and I'm a bit confused about SSD drives.

I was looking to buy two 2TB SSD drives.

I was planning to buy these two which are at 400$ CAD a piece:

SAMSUNG 860 EVO Series M.2 2280 2TB SATA III 3D NAND Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) MZ-N6E2T0BW

Would that be the ultimate fit for this mobo? It has two M.2 slots right?

If not, can you please direct me to the right models?

Thanks

Fred.
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on November 23, 2018, 02:28:20 PM
Hello I am buying this motherboard today (Gigabyte X470 Ultra gaming) and I'm a bit confused about SSD drives.

I was looking to buy two 2TB SSD drives.

I was planning to buy these two which are at 400$ CAD a piece:

SAMSUNG 860 EVO Series M.2 2280 2TB SATA III 3D NAND Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) MZ-N6E2T0BW

Would that be the ultimate fit for this mobo? It has two M.2 slots right?

If not, can you please direct me to the right models?

Thanks

Fred.

Welcome to the Forum, fredlegrand!

I'm glad you asked, because you actually cannot use two SATA-based M.2 drives with the Gigabyte X470 Ultra Gaming. I would instead recommend you consider getting one Samsung 860 Evo 2TB M.2 drive (https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B07822SVMS/ref=as_li_qf_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=thtebusgu06-20&creative=330641&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B07822SVMS&linkId=dd508c9c71df4b89c4b5014aae2f59ef), and one Crucial MX500 2TB 2.5" drive (https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B078C515QL/ref=as_li_ss_tl?smid=A3DWYIK6Y9EEQB&psc=1&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu06-20&linkId=ca29a140c807e1066b8116697fc7411c), which happens to be on sale at Amazon Canada for Black Friday (and will likely sell out within hours). The performance of the two drives will be nearly identical, one will simply be connected via a cable to the motherboard and mounted in the case. The 860 Evo is slightly faster, but the 860 Evo 2.5" model  (https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B07CKJFZ33/ref=as_li_qf_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=thtebusgu06-20&creative=330641&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B07CKJFZ33&linkId=c2946a7263b02e92061552be501777b7)is currently twice as much as the MX500 2TB 2.5". Seriously, grab that MX500 (https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B078C515QL/ref=as_li_qf_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=thtebusgu06-20&creative=330641&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B078C515QL&linkId=1397668c40c53d16d3725086ebdedaea) right now - it's way cheaper in Canada than in the US! I'd suggest getting two, but the deal is so hot that Amazon is only allowing one per customer!
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: fredlegrand on November 23, 2018, 04:17:10 PM
wow thanks for the tip Ari! Just purchased both.  :)

As for the RAM, I was thinking of getting this one (G.skillz TridentZ), as it is less expensive than the suggested ballistix ones.

https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232482&Description=g.skill%20tridentz&cm_re=g.skill_tridentz-_-20-232-482-_-Product

G.SKILL TridentZ RGB Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Desktop Memory Model F4-3200C16Q-32GTZR

What are your thoughts, is there any better deal for me in Canada?

Thanks a bunch.

Fred.

Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on November 23, 2018, 04:25:15 PM
wow thanks for the tip Ari! Just purchased both.  :)

As for the RAM, I was thinking of getting this one (G.skillz TridentZ), as it is less expensive than the suggested ballistix ones.

https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232482&Description=g.skill%20tridentz&cm_re=g.skill_tridentz-_-20-232-482-_-Product

G.SKILL TridentZ RGB Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Desktop Memory Model F4-3200C16Q-32GTZR

What are your thoughts, is there any better deal for me in Canada?

Thanks a bunch.

Fred.

With an AMD Ryzen build, you have to be quite careful with RAM selection. There is a good chance that the G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4-3200 kit won't boot, and certainly won't run at its rated speed. Alas, this is one of the reasons that you might see slower kits priced higher than faster kits: the market is adjusting to the fact that AMD Ryzen CPUs are outselling Intel CPUs right now, and Ryzen owners are buying up the slightly slower RAM.

The key is that Ryzen requires newer "single-rank" RAM, which most G.Skill RAM is not. If you'd like to get faster RAM, go with two sets of this Crucial 2x8GB DDR4-3000 Kit (https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B07HP87R9J/ref=as_li_qf_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=thtebusgu06-20&creative=330641&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B07HP87R9J&linkId=cfebe95b71559745ed59c2ad382d3bae). Again, like the Crucial SSD, this kit is on special today, and will get you 32GB of single-rank 3000MHz RAM for far less than the G.Skill kit, which again likely wouldn't run at its rated speed. This is a brand-new RAM kit from Crucial, and was likely created to give Ryzen owners an extra boost while maintaining compatibility.
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: fredlegrand on November 25, 2018, 03:47:49 PM
Thanks again Ari. You are a gold mine! I went ahead and purchased two kits. Great price indeed!

I was wondering why you were suggesting the flash kit for Windows 10 64 bits home edition?

I have it at 110$ here but it is not the flash version:

https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAD6382E9244&Description=windows%2010&cm_re=windows_10-_-32-416-892-_-Product

Thanks again.

Fred.
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on November 25, 2018, 05:44:00 PM
That is fine if you have a DVD reader in the PC, but your build will not. You'd need to download a 4GB ISO from Microsoft, lead it onto a flash drive, and use the license from the DVD package. The USB version is obviously much simpler to use.
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: fredlegrand on November 27, 2018, 12:07:33 PM
Thanks for the tip Ari.

In my excitement and hurry, it turns out I ordered the AMD Ryzen 7 2700 CPU instead of the 2700X one.  ::)

Will it still run fine on the Gigabyte X470 Ultra Gaming motherboard? i know it's a little slower.

What are your thoughts on it? Should I return it?

Thanks again.

Fred.



Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on November 27, 2018, 12:23:45 PM
Thanks for the tip Ari.

In my excitement and hurry, it turns out I ordered the AMD Ryzen 7 2700 CPU instead of the 2700X one.  ::)

Will it still run fine on the Gigabyte X470 Ultra Gaming motherboard? i know it's a little slower.

What are your thoughts on it? Should I return it?

Thanks again.

Fred.

The 2700 and 2700X will both work fine in this build. With Black Friday sales over, you'll pay a whole lot more for a 2700X at this point, assuming you got some kind of discount on the 2700. If you'd like to match the 2700X's performance, it's fairly easy to do through overclocking.
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: fredlegrand on November 27, 2018, 12:30:47 PM
Okay I can breathe a little better now  :)

I got the 2700 at 329.99$ CAD (not an awesome deal but still...)

The 2700X is now selling at 474.99$++ CAD

I'll stick to the 2700 then.

Thanks mate.

Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on November 27, 2018, 12:32:24 PM
Okay I can breathe a little better now  :)

I got the 2700 at 329.99$ CAD (not an awesome deal but still...)

The 2700X is now selling at 474.99$++ CAD

I'll stick to the 2700 then.

Thanks mate.

Yes, not even a close call. The 2700 at CAD$330 was actually an amazing deal. The cheapest it got in the US was $250, which is CAD$332.
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Secret on January 12, 2019, 05:47:57 PM
Been asking a lot of questions recently but I think I got things figured out, however I have a few more if you're willing to answer.

For this build I wanted to ask if for $5 more it was worth upgrading to the 1847mhz card (https://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-GeForce-Windforce-Graphics-GV-N1060WF2OC-6GD/dp/B01N0P24HI/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1473441190&sr=1-4&keywords=gtx%2B1060&linkCode=sl1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=a8191433eb1a0200b4e10c86309f3e86&th=1 (https://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-GeForce-Windforce-Graphics-GV-N1060WF2OC-6GD/dp/B01N0P24HI/ref=as_li_ss_tl?&imprToken=fQ5dr3WNuljOJu0KZ7We0w&slotNum=0&s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1473441190&sr=1-4&keywords=gtx+1060&th=1&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=5afb10f04c61fa9f5c659e5fe9f3a8f7&language=en_US))

Also that motherboard isn't in stock till the 22nd, is it worth paying the $140 and waiting for it.  I don't need it right now but if it'll be the best bang for the buck I'll secure it before prices go up.

There was around a $5 difference between 2666mhz and 3000mhz ram.  Is it worth upgrading, not sure if I'll see much difference with the AMD but adobe is ram hungry.?  I assume that board supports xmp profiles.

Plan on running wd black 4tb drives for my content because I have good experience with them and downgrading to the crucial mx500 1tb m2. When all my content is on hdds the pci drive won't make a difference when I'm working.

Ordering the g3 650 because it's the same price right now and I'll likely upgrade the video card in the future. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LYGFRL6/ref=twister_B01LXKQ07C?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LYGFRL6/ref=as_li_ss_tl?&imprToken=fQ5dr3WNuljOJu0KZ7We0w&slotNum=1&_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=1e3b84f21a08b2f8b83072f0a91610a4&language=en_US)

Going to splurge a bit on the case and pick up that Thermaltake 32 you recommend in the 4k build because I think it looks badass.

Open to any feedback, and since you were at CES is there anything better coming out soon that I should wait for if I'm not in a hurry?

Thanks a lot for the help.
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on January 12, 2019, 09:56:16 PM
Hey, Secret, good questions.

The GPU is a nice upgrade. It's a lot bigger, and I don't particularly like the styling, but it will perform a bit better, so it's probably worth the extra cost.

Which motherboard are you referring to? The Asus Prime B450-Plus (https://www.amazon.com/Ryzen-Gaming-Motherboard-Prime-B450-Plus/dp/B07FKT5CTH/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=electronics&rps=1&ie=UTF8&qid=1547358435&sr=1-1&keywords=Asus+Prime+B450-Plus+-v&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=897edcbb42bc0426964acc0c7fec5932&language=en_US) that's currently in the build guide is in stock right now.

The EVGA 650 G3 PSU (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LYGFRL6/ref=as_li_ss_tl?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=2fcd7c4cd9eea1604ef898fc3167556e&language=en_US) is a great deal - grab it soon! EVGA has been running rotating promotions on its G2 and G3 lines, which change every few days. I can't keep up with them, but do note that they won't last very long.

As for the case, the Thermaltake View 32 (https://www.amazon.com/d/Computer-Cases/Thermaltake-Tempered-Pre-Installed-Illumination-CA-1J2-00M1WN-00/B07CQGZH7K/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1547358585&sr=1-3&keywords=view+32&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=029e9ea1a57806e2e9e088b6bf104dd6&language=en_US) is an awesome-looking case, good choice if you have the extra cash, huge upgrade aesthetically.

And finally, in terms of RAM, that's a question I've been getting a lot on the Forum lately. Should probably post a sticky about it! The thing is that DDR4-3000 isn't compatible with Ryzen, which is exactly why it's so cheap. It's an Intel spec only, and 40% of CPUs sold today are Ryzen, so that means 3000MHz RAM has lost value. Stick with DDR4-2666. It guarantees compatibility.
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Secret on January 12, 2019, 10:22:43 PM
Hey, Secret, good questions.

The GPU is a nice upgrade. It's a lot bigger, and I don't particularly like the styling, but it will perform a bit better, so it's probably worth the extra cost.

Which motherboard are you referring to? The Asus Prime B450-Plus (https://www.amazon.com/Ryzen-Gaming-Motherboard-Prime-B450-Plus/dp/B07FKT5CTH/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=electronics&rps=1&ie=UTF8&qid=1547358435&sr=1-1&keywords=Asus+Prime+B450-Plus+-v&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=897edcbb42bc0426964acc0c7fec5932&language=en_US) that's currently in the build guide is in stock right now.

The EVGA 650 G3 PSU (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LYGFRL6/ref=as_li_ss_tl?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=2fcd7c4cd9eea1604ef898fc3167556e&language=en_US) is a great deal - grab it soon! EVGA has been running rotating promotions on its G2 and G3 lines, which change every few days. I can't keep up with them, but do note that they won't last very long.

As for the case, the Thermaltake View 32 (https://www.amazon.com/d/Computer-Cases/Thermaltake-Tempered-Pre-Installed-Illumination-CA-1J2-00M1WN-00/B07CQGZH7K/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1547358585&sr=1-3&keywords=view+32&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=029e9ea1a57806e2e9e088b6bf104dd6&language=en_US) is an awesome-looking case, good choice if you have the extra cash, huge upgrade aesthetically.

And finally, in terms of RAM, that's a question I've been getting a lot on the Forum lately. Should probably post a sticky about it! The thing is that DDR4-3000 isn't compatible with Ryzen, which is exactly why it's so cheap. It's an Intel spec only, and 40% of CPUs sold today are Ryzen, so that means 3000MHz RAM has lost value. Stick with DDR4-2666. It guarantees compatibility.

Yea I grabbed that power supply and case right away for the deal.  The motherboard in the guide was this gigabyte one  gigabyte b450 gaming (https://www.amazon.com/B450-AORUS-PRO-WIFI-Motherboard/dp/B07FW85VFT/ref=as_li_ss_tl?&imprToken=yfIJLpT9yHLo1oY1wAfX0Q&slotNum=3&imprToken=fmciF5QO-CWl63A0YlmRug&slotNum=137&s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1534196045&sr=1-4&keywords=b450+atx+motherboard&dpID=51nYps769UL&preST=_SX300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=9f0b1bdd81327d0aeaf5098782d9e799&language=en_US)  which I really liked the specs on.

Also not crazy about the gpu but for now it'll do and for $5 I'll take the useful boost.  Also glad to hear about the ram.  If I'm gonna stick with 2666 I may lean towards the corsair rgb pro.  Is it wrong to splurge on lighting in that nice of a case?
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on January 12, 2019, 10:34:32 PM
Hey, Secret, good questions.

The GPU is a nice upgrade. It's a lot bigger, and I don't particularly like the styling, but it will perform a bit better, so it's probably worth the extra cost.

Which motherboard are you referring to? The Asus Prime B450-Plus (https://www.amazon.com/Ryzen-Gaming-Motherboard-Prime-B450-Plus/dp/B07FKT5CTH/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=electronics&rps=1&ie=UTF8&qid=1547358435&sr=1-1&keywords=Asus+Prime+B450-Plus+-v&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=897edcbb42bc0426964acc0c7fec5932&language=en_US) that's currently in the build guide is in stock right now.

The EVGA 650 G3 PSU (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LYGFRL6/ref=as_li_ss_tl?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=2fcd7c4cd9eea1604ef898fc3167556e&language=en_US) is a great deal - grab it soon! EVGA has been running rotating promotions on its G2 and G3 lines, which change every few days. I can't keep up with them, but do note that they won't last very long.

As for the case, the Thermaltake View 32 (https://www.amazon.com/d/Computer-Cases/Thermaltake-Tempered-Pre-Installed-Illumination-CA-1J2-00M1WN-00/B07CQGZH7K/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1547358585&sr=1-3&keywords=view+32&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=029e9ea1a57806e2e9e088b6bf104dd6&language=en_US) is an awesome-looking case, good choice if you have the extra cash, huge upgrade aesthetically.

And finally, in terms of RAM, that's a question I've been getting a lot on the Forum lately. Should probably post a sticky about it! The thing is that DDR4-3000 isn't compatible with Ryzen, which is exactly why it's so cheap. It's an Intel spec only, and 40% of CPUs sold today are Ryzen, so that means 3000MHz RAM has lost value. Stick with DDR4-2666. It guarantees compatibility.

Yea I grabbed that power supply and case right away for the deal.  The motherboard in the guide was this gigabyte one  gigabyte b450 gaming (https://www.amazon.com/B450-AORUS-PRO-WIFI-Motherboard/dp/B07FW85VFT/ref=as_li_ss_tl?&imprToken=yfIJLpT9yHLo1oY1wAfX0Q&slotNum=3&imprToken=fmciF5QO-CWl63A0YlmRug&slotNum=137&s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1534196045&sr=1-4&keywords=b450+atx+motherboard&dpID=51nYps769UL&preST=_SX300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=9f0b1bdd81327d0aeaf5098782d9e799&language=en_US)  which I really liked the specs on.

Also not crazy about the gpu but for now it'll do and for $5 I'll take the useful boost.  Also glad to hear about the ram.  If I'm gonna stick with 2666 I may lean towards the corsair rgb pro.  Is it wrong to splurge on lighting in that nice of a case?

I pulled the Gigabyte B450 Aorus Gaming (http://) last month as it hasn't been in stock at Amazon for quite some time. You can get it from a third-party seller, but I don't like the price they're selling it at. As I learned at CES, the motherboard manufacturers are switching production over to the unreleased 500-series chipsets to support the Zen 2 launch this summer, and so many of the B450/X470 boards will not restock. I assume that's the case with the B450 Aorus.

One thing to know about Corsair RAM is that it's almost all dual-rank, which isn't great with Ryzen. When you have just two sticks, it will be fine, but try to run a 4x8GB setup and prepare for headaches. It will NEVER run at its rated speed ever again. Might as well count on Corsair DDR4-2666 running at DDR4-2133 if you upgrade to four sticks. That is not the case with the Ballistix single-rank RAM recommended in the guide. The only RGB RAM on the market that is single-rank comes from HyperX. So I'd suggest you go for the HyperX 2x8GB Predator DDR4-2933 Kit (https://www.amazon.com/HyperX-Predator-2933MHz-Infrared-Technology/dp/B07CKGJPS1/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1547360938&sr=1-1&keywords=hyperx+ddr4+rgb&th=1&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=e3e2df02eb209aa7be66ed1d997c03bb&language=en_US). In fact, that 2933 speed is a Ryzen-specific value, which indicates HyperX is intending to market it to Ryzen users. I may start listing that as an option for the Ryzen builds in the guides, as I have a feeling a lot of people are drawn to RGB kits (for good reason - they look awesome!)
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Secret on January 12, 2019, 10:45:35 PM
Wow the price on that hyper x is high for a 4x8.  I may have to stick with the crucial at that difference.  You still have that board under the content build though, just an fyi.  I don't think I want to wait until the summer to get this built so do you have any recommendations on a board similar to that gigabyte?  Sounds silly but not having a gen2 type c port will be an annoyance for me.

Also I don't understand why Asus can't label it's io shields. <-pet peeve
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on January 12, 2019, 11:00:29 PM
Wow the price on that hyper x is high for a 4x8.  I may have to stick with the crucial at that difference.  You still have that board under the content build though, just an fyi.  I don't think I want to wait until the summer to get this built so do you have any recommendations on a board similar to that gigabyte?  Sounds silly but not having a gen2 type c port will be an annoyance for me.

Also I don't understand why Asus can't label it's io shields. <-pet peeve

Oops, I only updated the $1,250 build, not the $1,750 build. Oh well, I guess I think it's worth it in the $1,750 build. But I just noticed it's in stock for $120 + $4 shipping at Newegg (http://www.anrdoezrs.net/links/7120282/type/dlg/https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813145082&Description=B450%20AORUS%20PRO%20WIFI&cm_re=B450_AORUS_PRO_WIFI-_-13-145-082-_-Product), so just grab it there.
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on January 12, 2019, 11:04:26 PM
Wow the price on that hyper x is high for a 4x8.  I may have to stick with the crucial at that difference.  You still have that board under the content build though, just an fyi.  I don't think I want to wait until the summer to get this built so do you have any recommendations on a board similar to that gigabyte?  Sounds silly but not having a gen2 type c port will be an annoyance for me.

Also I don't understand why Asus can't label it's io shields. <-pet peeve

Also, note that the comparison to the Ballistix 4x8GB pricing isn't really fair. That kit has dropped $80 in the past 30 days. It's the cheapest 4x8GB kit by far. Remember, manufacturers can charge more for single-rank RAM because it works in all systems. Dual-rank RAM like Corsair's kits will not work with Ryzen in a four-stick configuration. I know because I tried it. Total pain to get my DDR4-3000 Vengeance RGB kit stable at way UNDER XMP speed.
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Secret on January 12, 2019, 11:21:28 PM
Yea i just ordered that ram before the price jumped.  Still searching boards on Amazon.  There's certain companies I just don't won't to deal with if I have a problem.  I'll keep an eye on that gigabyte though if I can't find anything else.
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Secret on January 13, 2019, 06:54:58 AM
So I ordered that board off newegg, couldn't find anything else in that price range with a gen2 c port.

I think the last question I have is about a video card.  My budget is under $300.  In that case I've been looking at either the XFX or Sapphire Nitro rx590 cards.  I read they're basically just overclocked 580s but they show a performance difference and from what I saw in tests get better FPS than the 1060.  My other reason for considering an AMD card is for freesync.  The downside I saw was much higher power consumption, but that's not a concern high on my list.  Would you still recommend the 1060 for that build or would getting a 590 be better if the budget allowed?  Would you have an opinion on the xfx vs the sapphire?

Just checked newegg and the prices are even cheaper rx590 (https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=rx590&N=-1&isNodeId=1)

Edit: well I ordered this https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202327&Description=rx590&cm_re=rx590-_-14-202-327-_-Product (http://www.anrdoezrs.net/links/7120282/type/dlg/https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202327&Description=rx590&cm_re=rx590-_-14-202-327-_-Product)  Hopefully using this link will net you something for the help :)
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on January 13, 2019, 09:25:53 AM
Secret - the RX 590 Nitro (http://www.anrdoezrs.net/links/7120282/type/dlg/https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202327&Description=rx590&cm_re=rx590-_-14-202-327-_-Product) is a great choice for gaming, much better than the GTX 1060, but remember that this is the Content Creation build, and for this type of system, a GeForce card is far superior. If you were more interested in the gaming capability than app acceleration, you made the right choice. And Sapphire beats XFX hands down, and is AMD's premier board partner. XFX is only recommended when it's much cheaper than Sapphire.

Good job grabbing that Gigabyte Aorus board. It's definitely the best board for the price, packed with high-end features.
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Secret on January 13, 2019, 01:38:32 PM
Secret - the RX 590 Nitro (http://www.anrdoezrs.net/links/7120282/type/dlg/https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202327&Description=rx590&cm_re=rx590-_-14-202-327-_-Product) is a great choice for gaming, much better than the GTX 1060, but remember that this is the Content Creation build, and for this type of system, a GeForce card is far superior. If you were more interested in the gaming capability than app acceleration, you made the right choice. And Sapphire beats XFX hands down, and is AMD's premier board partner. XFX is only recommended when it's much cheaper than Sapphire.

Good job grabbing that Gigabyte Aorus board. It's definitely the best board for the price, packed with high-end features.
I was trying to stay focused on building a content creation machine, but I have to try and sneak a little extra for gaming where I can!  On a serious note, is there performance advantages for NVIDIA cards over AMD when it comes to photoshop and premier?  I really have no idea but Apple does use Vega graphics for many of it's iMacs, or at least it did, so I would expect not.  And in the case it doesn't matter is it safe to assume you were looking at the 1060 for that build for the lower power consumption and price point?

All that's left to buy is the processor, cooler, and hard drives.  Maybe a deal will pop in the next few days on the Ryzen.  Hopefully nothing jumps in price!
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on January 13, 2019, 03:13:25 PM

I was trying to stay focused on building a content creation machine, but I have to try and sneak a little extra for gaming where I can!  On a serious note, is there performance advantages for NVIDIA cards over AMD when it comes to photoshop and premier?  I really have no idea but Apple does use Vega graphics for many of it's iMacs, or at least it did, so I would expect not.  And in the case it doesn't matter is it safe to assume you were looking at the 1060 for that build for the lower power consumption and price point?

All that's left to buy is the processor, cooler, and hard drives.  Maybe a deal will pop in the next few days on the Ryzen.  Hopefully nothing jumps in price!

There are certain apps that are only accelerated on Nvidia cards due to the need for CUDA cores specifically. And generally speaking, Nvidia is superior to AMD for Photoshop, as Puget Systems has found (https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Photoshop-CC-2018-NVIDIA-GeForce-vs-AMD-Radeon-Vega-1197/). That combined with much lower power use makes it vastly superior for a pure content creation system.
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Ben on January 13, 2019, 04:45:33 PM
Hey everyone! Firstly, a note of sincere appreciation to Ari and TBG for all the hard work in putting these guides together, and for all of the kind and patient forum input. Such an amazing resource! It was a huge relief to find this site after all my research on my own. I will definitely be clicking through to as many parts as I can if you guys get a cut!

I'm posting here in this thread because I'm leaning toward the Content Creation Build. I hope it's ok to do this rather than starting a new thread!

Here's my question: I'm looking at the $1,750 Content Creation PC vs $1750 Advanced Gaming / Productivity build

A few things that are important for me:

Audio quality and latency. I do use a Scarlett Focusrite USB audio interface for microphone and instrument input and headphone/speaker output right now, and love it!

Overall noise of the build. I will be recording directly into a DAW (Reaper) using this machine, so if the thing is howling away next to me, it'll be annoying. I don't need dead silence, but I want to avoid the noise some of these gaming rigs can put out!

I do some light gaming, but I just don't see myself playing too many AAA game titles. My most recent game is Left 4 Dead 2! I do enjoy Steam and can see myself picking up titles as they come up on sale, so I want to be able to take advantage of that if it comes up!

I want to run two monitors. Nothing crazy, just two 28" HD (not 4k) monitors that I'm planning on picking up from Costco.

I use Libre Office a LOT for my finish carpentry business, as well as Trimble Sketchup (a 3D modeling application) and some other 3D modeling programs for designing projects, along with some heavy Gimp/Photoshop use. I'd also like to get into some video editing soon!

I like to fool around with virtual machines and I'd like to dual boot Windows and a Linux distro. I just enjoy learning about different OS's and how they work. I'm definitely not a CLI genius or anything!

I tend to keep my machines for a very long time, and want to future proof a little bit. I'd like to be able to upgrade here and there if possible down the road.

I'm not a big fan of RBG lights. I like a nice understated look. I don't mind them, so they aren't a deal breaker, just not something I have to have.

Anyway! I guess I'm hoping for input, based on my novel written above :), if you can recommend one build over the other, Ryzen vs Intel i7, and if you can recommend any substitutions or up/down/side grades to either build. I've done probably 100 hours of research so far and seem to be getting more and more lost!  I don't want to be lazy and have someone else do all the legwork for me, but I'm getting paranoid about making bad decisions now. Ha!

Thanks again, you guys are awesome!





Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on January 13, 2019, 06:00:50 PM
Hey everyone! Firstly, a note of sincere appreciation to Ari and TBG for all the hard work in putting these guides together, and for all of the kind and patient forum input. Such an amazing resource! It was a huge relief to find this site after all my research on my own. I will definitely be clicking through to as many parts as I can if you guys get a cut!

I'm posting here in this thread because I'm leaning toward the Content Creation Build. I hope it's ok to do this rather than starting a new thread!

Here's my question: I'm looking at the $1,750 Content Creation PC vs $1750 Advanced Gaming / Productivity build

A few things that are important for me:

Audio quality and latency. I do use a Scarlett Focusrite USB audio interface for microphone and instrument input and headphone/speaker output right now, and love it!

Overall noise of the build. I will be recording directly into a DAW (Reaper) using this machine, so if the thing is howling away next to me, it'll be annoying. I don't need dead silence, but I want to avoid the noise some of these gaming rigs can put out!

I do some light gaming, but I just don't see myself playing too many AAA game titles. My most recent game is Left 4 Dead 2! I do enjoy Steam and can see myself picking up titles as they come up on sale, so I want to be able to take advantage of that if it comes up!

I want to run two monitors. Nothing crazy, just two 28" HD (not 4k) monitors that I'm planning on picking up from Costco.

I use Libre Office a LOT for my finish carpentry business, as well as Trimble Sketchup (a 3D modeling application) and some other 3D modeling programs for designing projects, along with some heavy Gimp/Photoshop use. I'd also like to get into some video editing soon!

I like to fool around with virtual machines and I'd like to dual boot Windows and a Linux distro. I just enjoy learning about different OS's and how they work. I'm definitely not a CLI genius or anything!

I tend to keep my machines for a very long time, and want to future proof a little bit. I'd like to be able to upgrade here and there if possible down the road.

I'm not a big fan of RBG lights. I like a nice understated look. I don't mind them, so they aren't a deal breaker, just not something I have to have.

Anyway! I guess I'm hoping for input, based on my novel written above :), if you can recommend one build over the other, Ryzen vs Intel i7, and if you can recommend any substitutions or up/down/side grades to either build. I've done probably 100 hours of research so far and seem to be getting more and more lost!  I don't want to be lazy and have someone else do all the legwork for me, but I'm getting paranoid about making bad decisions now. Ha!

Thanks again, you guys are awesome!

Welcome to the TBG Forum, Ben! Epic first post, as they say!

I think for your purposes, the Content Creation Build is the better system at the $1,750 pricepoint. You get much better multi-threaded performance with the 2700X, at the cost of lower gaming performance than the Core i7-9700K, but if your most recent game is L4D2, you're not going to be pushing any modern system very hard! That also means that spending a lot on a high-end GPU is not really going to be money well spent. A GTX 1060 is more than sufficient for your needs, and its efficiency means it's very quiet even at load.

And with regard to all your other needs, the Content Creation system will be ideal as well, including the lack of flashy RGB lights!

The only suggestion I have for you is to get something other than a 28" HD monitor. That is a very large panel to have such a low resolution, and it will look very grainy and pixelated. If you have a target budget in mind, I can recommend some monitors that might be a better overall choice.
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Ben on January 13, 2019, 06:23:28 PM
Thank you for the great advice! I feel a lot more confident now on my choice.

I didn't think about the resolution of the 28" monitor. I'd absolutely love some recommendations! My budget is right around $350.

Thanks again, it's so appreciated.
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Secret on January 13, 2019, 06:59:47 PM

There are certain apps that are only accelerated on Nvidia cards due to the need for CUDA cores specifically. And generally speaking, Nvidia is superior to AMD for Photoshop, as Puget Systems has found (https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Photoshop-CC-2018-NVIDIA-GeForce-vs-AMD-Radeon-Vega-1197/). That combined with much lower power use makes it vastly superior for a pure content creation system.

Always learning something new around here, thanks for that bit.

Ben I think $350 may be tight for two 27" monitors unless you opt for 1080, which I agree with Ari that resolution is stretched a bit thin at that size.  I think two nice 24" 1080 monitors could easily be had under that budget.  But you could possibly find two cheaper 1440 27" monitors.  I bought two Acer R2xx monitors for cheap, they have really nice thin bezels and good color reproduction.  The bad thing is there's no height adjusting and they don't turn, but most don't need that.
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on January 13, 2019, 07:28:01 PM

There are certain apps that are only accelerated on Nvidia cards due to the need for CUDA cores specifically. And generally speaking, Nvidia is superior to AMD for Photoshop, as Puget Systems has found (https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Photoshop-CC-2018-NVIDIA-GeForce-vs-AMD-Radeon-Vega-1197/). That combined with much lower power use makes it vastly superior for a pure content creation system.

Always learning something new around here, thanks for that bit.

Ben I think $350 may be tight for two 27" monitors unless you opt for 1080, which I agree with Ari that resolution is stretched a bit thin at that size.  I think two nice 24" 1080 monitors could easily be had under that budget.  But you could possibly find two cheaper 1440 27" monitors.  I bought two Acer R2xx monitors for cheap, they have really nice thin bezels and good color reproduction.  The bad thing is there's no height adjusting and they don't turn, but most don't need that.

Ben - I think Secret is right that $350 is a bit tight to get two big monitors, but you can easily get two high-quality 24" monitors. In fact, you don't even have to spend that much. The HP VH240a (https://www.amazon.com/HP-23-8-inch-Adjustment-Speakers-VH240a-x/dp/B072M34RQC/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1547436247&sr=1-4&keywords=hp+24%22+ips&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=f7efb0fb691dffe4c0adbd53d2504796&language=en_US) is a tremendous value at $110 for a 24" 1080 IPS screen with tilt and height adjustment. With that said, unless you're committed to having two monitors due to your unique workflow, I'd highly recommend you look at the ~$370 Samsung U32J590 (https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-U32J590-32-Inch-LED-Lit-Monitor/dp/B07CS3JGPC/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1547436343&sr=1-3&keywords=4k+32%22&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=a2e0d219fb91de729bb06cc721c149d7&language=en_US), which is a tremendous value for a 32" 4K VA-type monitor. That will give you a truly premium experience right in your target budget.
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Ben on January 13, 2019, 08:01:49 PM
Great thoughts! I'm not totally committed to having two monitors. One nice monitor will definitely be good for me, especially a 32"! I'm really liking the link you posted, Ari! Secret, thank you too. This kind of experience is invaluable.
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Ben on January 13, 2019, 08:18:46 PM
One question for you guys: Does a 4k monitor tax the system more (the gpu?), compared to two smaller 24" monitors?

Ben
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on January 13, 2019, 08:36:46 PM
One question for you guys: Does a 4k monitor tax the system more (the gpu?), compared to two smaller 24" monitors?

Ben

A 4K monitor only taxes a system more in gaming, and if you're thinking about the Content Creation system using dual screens, you probably aren't a big gamer. There is no impact on the system of rendering standard desktop applications at 4K. The only issue is that you do need the correct cable connection: DisplayPort!
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Ben on January 14, 2019, 08:16:19 PM
Another question, Ari. Does clicking through the links on TBG give you guys a little cut? Cause I think you guys should get a little cut.  :)
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on January 14, 2019, 09:18:31 PM
Another question, Ari. Does clicking through the links on TBG give you guys a little cut? Cause I think you guys should get a little cut.  :)

Yes, indeed, it does, and your support is much appreciated!
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Ben on January 15, 2019, 11:34:51 AM
Ok, good. I can't tell you how happy I am to have found this site, and how grateful I am for your help!

If I go with those dual 24" monitors you linked up, will I need any special cables or anything, or will they plug into the motherboard?
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on January 15, 2019, 12:51:58 PM
Ok, good. I can't tell you how happy I am to have found this site, and how grateful I am for your help!

If I go with those dual 24" monitors you linked up, will I need any special cables or anything, or will they plug into the motherboard?

Before you do anything, check out the latest Content Creation Build, which has been updated early for February with some new components!

As for the dual 24" monitors, they plug into the video card (not the motherboard). And because they are lower-cost models, they only have HDMI inputs, not DisplayPort. That's a bit of a mis-match, as the video card has three DP outputs and one HDMI, so you'll need this HDMI to DisplayPort adapter (https://www.amazon.com/DisplayPort-Adapter-Converter-Gold-Plated-Compatible/dp/B017Q8ZVWK/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1547585310&sr=1-3&keywords=hdmi+female+to+displayport+male+adapter&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=c40ea9fedd637e0583bae5cf607a8825&language=en_US) for one of the monitors. They come with the HDMI cables you'll need. Overall, I still think the 32" Samsung 4K monitor is the better overall solution, but if you feel you have two discrete workflows that require the dual viewports, then go for the two 1080p models.
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Secret on January 16, 2019, 01:02:27 PM
Crucial PCIe m.2 is at a good price currently.  Not as fast as the XPG but currently in stock and at the same price as the mx500 sata m.2

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07J2Q4SWZ/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07J2Q4SWZ/ref=as_li_ss_tl?&imprToken=tfDIH.8hymsZs.bi8ed9Uw&slotNum=0&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=efb3694e831720532cf336e7691e7b5f&language=en_US)
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on January 16, 2019, 01:07:30 PM
Crucial PCIe m.2 is at a good price currently.  Not as fast as the XPG but currently in stock and at the same price as the mx500 sata m.2

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07J2Q4SWZ/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07J2Q4SWZ/ref=as_li_ss_tl?&imprToken=tfDIH.8hymsZs.bi8ed9Uw&slotNum=0&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=efb3694e831720532cf336e7691e7b5f&language=en_US)

Wow, that dropped in price another $25 over the past few days (I check it regularly, but haven't been moved to recommend it until now). With the MX500 constantly selling out, this may be a perfect alternative. Thanks for the heads up, Secret!
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Secret on January 16, 2019, 02:07:15 PM
Yea I was on the fence about it and had it in my cart.  Was alerted today of the price drop and jumped on it.  The way computer part prices fluctuate so much really drives me nuts!  I never know if I should buy today or wait for a better deal tomorrow.
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on January 16, 2019, 02:09:37 PM
Yea I was on the fence about it and had it in my cart.  Was alerted today of the price drop and jumped on it.  The way computer part prices fluctuate so much really drives me nuts!  I never know if I should buy today or wait for a better deal tomorrow.

You got an excellent deal! I decided to add this to the $2,000 Premium Gaming PC Build for now. Will monitor the price - this could be a short-term promotion, but if it's not, it will be added to other builds for February.
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Secret on January 22, 2019, 11:06:16 AM
I think I may run into an issue with the Noctua cooler and that view 32 case.  Iím still waiting on the MB but judging from where the standoffs are I donít think Iíll be able to close the side with it installed.
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on January 22, 2019, 11:17:33 AM
I think I may run into an issue with the Noctua cooler and that view 32 case.  Iím still waiting on the MB but judging from where the standoffs are I donít think Iíll be able to close the side with it installed.

The Thermaltake View 32 case (https://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-Tempered-Pre-Installed-Illumination-CA-1J2-00M1WN-00/dp/B07CQGZH7K/ref=as_li_ss_tl?keywords=Thermaltake+View+32+case&qid=1548184379&sr=8-3-fkmrnull&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=978f1858ab51049d4bc4ead4fa509f6e&language=en_US) has 160mm of clearance for a tower air cooler. The Noctua NH-U12S (https://www.amazon.com/Noctua-NH-U12S-Premium-Cooler-NF-F12/dp/B00C9EYVGY/ref=as_li_ss_tl?keywords=noctua+nh-u12s&qid=1548184457&sr=8-3&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=ce95edade0f3cacb3fb9cf55ee22a822&language=en_US) is 158mm tall and will fit fine. If you ordered the Noctua NH-U14S, then I agree it will not fit, as it's 165mm tall. This doesn't have anything to do with the standoffs, just the width of the case.

I don't recall which cooler your ordered, but this is one reason that mixing and matching components from different builds doesn't always work!
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Secret on January 22, 2019, 12:41:01 PM
I ordered the u12s for the am4.  Well it certainly looks extremely close but 2mm is 2mm so I'll take it.  I get matching certain parts but it's an atx tower; I don't understand why you'd make a cooler sized that close to a majority of case widths.  It certainly is nice quality so I'm happy it should fit.
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on January 22, 2019, 12:56:45 PM
I ordered the u12s for the am4.  Well it certainly looks extremely close but 2mm is 2mm so I'll take it.  I get matching certain parts but it's an atx tower; I don't understand why you'd make a cooler sized that close to a majority of case widths.  It certainly is nice quality so I'm happy it should fit.

160mm of clearance is quite standard in the industry. Very few mid-sized cases offer more, and the cooler makers know this, so every cooler that uses a 120mm fan is under 160mm tall. It will work out fine for you, don't worry!
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Secret on January 24, 2019, 07:07:53 PM
Good news, as you stated the cooler fit without issue; it's amazingly quiet.  Bad news, the view 32 case fans come on but the rgb lighting doesn't  work, and they forgot to include the front filter.  Emailed Thermaltake, now to see how good their customer service is.
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on January 25, 2019, 12:47:26 PM
Good news, as you stated the cooler fit without issue; it's amazingly quiet.  Bad news, the view 32 case fans come on but the rgb lighting doesn't  work, and they forgot to include the front filter.  Emailed Thermaltake, now to see how good their customer service is.

Please report back. I can follow up with my contact at thermaltake if necessary.
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Secret on February 02, 2019, 04:34:36 PM
So I'll leave this feedback buried in this thread as I don't want to dog a possible sponsor on your site.  Tried to get a hold of Thermaltake a couple times with no response.  I didn't want to expire my return window so I sent the case back.  I ended up moving everything to :smackmyhead the p400s you recommended in the first place haha.  The lack of customer service response from Thermaltake may have been me not contacting the right email, idk, but moving on from there I do have feedback of the case itself.

There was the obvious issues of missing parts and non working fans, however beyond that I have a lot of gripes for a $150 case:

-Panel alignment was not great.  The hinges that attached to the glass were not completely square.
-The cable routing from the factory was terrible, the wires coming off the top panel board were a mess and there was a screw put through two of them which could have been the culprit of some of the issues.
-The hardware was junk.  I have to give Phanteks credit, they actually put the few extra cents into some better screws; from having worked in manufacturing for awhile I know it really does come down to cents.
-The fan control was a nightmare.  They use a proprietary 5 pin fan connection which is fine, but then they make 3 different kinds of fans.  I went on their website and got an extra Riing12 fan for the back that they recommend and it ended up being a 3 pin fan.  Plus how the hell do you have a 5 pin fan without any pwm control! 
-The black tint on the glass was coming off around the screws because the (felt I think) washers were so thin they were non-existent.

Overall I would not recommend that case.  It looks cool and has a lot of room but quality is super low.

The Phanteks case on the other hand, two thumbs up for the price.  Quality feel.  Not great, but good enough hardware.  Also came with a proprietary fan plug but you could control the fan speed if you wanted to from the case.  Much better filtration and ventilation.  Slightly smaller which was nice for mine since I didn't need room for radiators.  Much better cable management.  PSU cover.

Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on February 02, 2019, 09:03:13 PM
So I'll leave this feedback buried in this thread as I don't want to dog a possible sponsor on your site.  Tried to get a hold of Thermaltake a couple times with no response.  I didn't want to expire my return window so I sent the case back.  I ended up moving everything to :smackmyhead the p400s you recommended in the first place haha.  The lack of customer service response from Thermaltake may have been me not contacting the right email, idk, but moving on from there I do have feedback of the case itself.

There was the obvious issues of missing parts and non working fans, however beyond that I have a lot of gripes for a $150 case:

-Panel alignment was not great.  The hinges that attached to the glass were not completely square.
-The cable routing from the factory was terrible, the wires coming off the top panel board were a mess and there was a screw put through two of them which could have been the culprit of some of the issues.
-The hardware was junk.  I have to give Phanteks credit, they actually put the few extra cents into some better screws; from having worked in manufacturing for awhile I know it really does come down to cents.
-The fan control was a nightmare.  They use a proprietary 5 pin fan connection which is fine, but then they make 3 different kinds of fans.  I went on their website and got an extra Riing12 fan for the back that they recommend and it ended up being a 3 pin fan.  Plus how the hell do you have a 5 pin fan without any pwm control! 
-The black tint on the glass was coming off around the screws because the (felt I think) washers were so thin they were non-existent.

Overall I would not recommend that case.  It looks cool and has a lot of room but quality is super low.

The Phanteks case on the other hand, two thumbs up for the price.  Quality feel.  Not great, but good enough hardware.  Also came with a proprietary fan plug but you could control the fan speed if you wanted to from the case.  Much better filtration and ventilation.  Slightly smaller which was nice for mine since I didn't need room for radiators.  Much better cable management.  PSU cover.

Thanks for your feedback on the Thermaltake View 32 (https://www.amazon.com/d/Computer-Cases/Thermaltake-Tempered-Pre-Installed-Illumination-CA-1J2-00M1WN-00/B07CQGZH7K/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&qid=1549169464&sr=8-1&keywords=thermaltake+view+32&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=b6af72367a1919982918ea071613f306&language=en_US) and Phanteks P400S (https://www.amazon.com/Phanteks-PH-EC416PSTG_BW-Eclipse-Silent-Tempered/dp/B01NALAFU9/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&qid=1549169435&sr=8-1&keywords=Phanteks+P400S&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=625ff3d328667918c4f6750425bd7809&language=en_US).

I'm sorry you had a negative experience with the Thermaltake case. It sounds like the wiring issue, at least, was an error in assembly at the factory. With that said, there is a clear distinction in the way Thermaltake and Phanteks design their cases. Thermaltake offers the most features for the dollar, while Phanteks focuses on the best user-experience and quality of materials, even if that means their cases are often a bit more expensive for a given set of specs. I still think the View 32 is a great high-end gaming case, but that's not actually what you were looking for, and that's why the Phanteks case is the recommended case for the Content Creation build.

By the way, on the issue of fans, I completely agree that Thermaltake simply has too many lines of fans. This is an issue I've raised to them in person at CES, and as it turns out, they are going to be delivering a new line of fans that uses the standard motherboard 3-pin ARGB header for easy compatibility. In fact, Thermaltake will be outfitting TBG with a complete case, fan, and cooler setup for a new PC builder's guide I'll be putting together, and I was very clear with them that the reason I agreed to feature Thermaltake in the article was that they were moving to a new industry standard design. They will join Cooler Master as the only company offering RGB cases and coolers that plug right into motherboard RGB headers, and TT has the advantage of MUCH better coolers than CM.
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Secret on February 02, 2019, 10:29:20 PM
Every company should use standard 3 or 4 pin connectors.  Hopefully they'll all get to that point.  As for the case, I can chalk it up to a bad QC, but the lack of support isn't helping.  All I get on their contact page is a web form with no number, no hours, no email address.  Again I'll use Phateks as a comparison, they give technical support hours, phone numbers, email addresses, etc.  That is definitely another area they need to work on as good customer service is more important than a lot of companies think.  Even if I was to see good reviews for their products, I'm completely turned off by this experience. 

The system on the other hand is running great, I'll post some pics in a thread when I get everything looking nice.  Thanks so much for the parts help!
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on February 03, 2019, 10:06:30 AM
I've been pushing every manufacturer on the RGB standards issue, even grilling corsair publicly on this during their CES news conference. At least Cooler Master and Thermaltake have got the message.

As for quality control, thermaltake definitely still lags, and next month, I have a brand new case in mind for the $2,500 4K Gaming PC where the View 32 is currently listed.

Hint: it's from Phanteks, and I showcased it in my CES coverage (https://techbuyersguru.com/ces-2019-cutting-edge-pc-tech).
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Secret on February 03, 2019, 05:11:58 PM
Those Luxe cases look amazing.  I was back and forth on the 400s and 600s but the removable front wasn't doing it for me.  I can see it's purpose, but I'd rather see some better airflow designed into the case without me having to remove pieces.  Perhaps some type of louvers would serve both purposes better.  There's an idea for a high end case; have vents that are integrated into the motherboard temp sensors and can open when it gets too hot  8)
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on February 03, 2019, 07:44:11 PM
Those Luxe cases look amazing.  I was back and forth on the 400s and 600s but the removable front wasn't doing it for me.  I can see it's purpose, but I'd rather see some better airflow designed into the case without me having to remove pieces.  Perhaps some type of louvers would serve both purposes better.  There's an idea for a high end case; have vents that are integrated into the motherboard temp sensors and can open when it gets too hot  8)

You know, that was my feeling about the P600S too (just give me the airflow, skip the covers), so I'll have to give it more thought. I love the louver idea. Let me suggest that to a few manufacturers and see if it spawns some new designs!

The Luxe won't be here until the summer, and it will be premium priced, but it could wind up in the $5,000 guide.
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Secret on March 03, 2019, 09:06:58 AM
Is that cooler in the new content guide the amd version?
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on March 03, 2019, 09:49:34 AM
Is that cooler in the new content guide the amd version?

Noctua has personally confirmed to me that all NH-U14S coolers (http://The following CPU cooler models have been updated and now also include SecuFirm2ô mounting hardware for AM4: NH-C14S, NH-D15, NH-D15S, NH-D9L, NH-L9x65, NH-U12S, NH-U14S, NH-U9S. In addition to AM4, the coolers continue to include mounting hardware for Intel LGA2066, LGA2011, LGA1156, LGA1155, LGA1151, LGA1150 as well as the previous generation AMD platforms (AM2/AM2+/AM3/AM3+/FM1/FM2/FM2+). As a result, they are now compatible with all current mainstream platforms out of the box.

Noctua has been shipping the updated versions with AM4 support for several months, so the stock that is in stores now already includes AM4 hardware. In the unlikely event that customers who buy new coolers should still receive old stock without AM4 mountings, they can still order free upgrade kits via Noctuaís website.) now shipping through Amazon have updated packaging that includes the AM4 bracket. They are not releasing a new special edition SKU for this or other coolers, which makes sense now that Ryzen is completely mainstream and accounts for about 25-30% of all CPUs sold. I told Noctua that TBG readers would be confused by the Amazon product description that doesn't list AM4, and they said they are working on updating it!

For your reference, here's an excerpt from Noctua's press release that discusses the change:

Quote
The following CPU cooler models have been updated and now also include SecuFirm2ô mounting hardware for AM4: NH-C14S, NH-D15, NH-D15S, NH-D9L, NH-L9x65, NH-U12S, NH-U14S, NH-U9S. In addition to AM4, the coolers continue to include mounting hardware for Intel LGA2066, LGA2011, LGA1156, LGA1155, LGA1151, LGA1150 as well as the previous generation AMD platforms (AM2/AM2+/AM3/AM3+/FM1/FM2/FM2+). As a result, they are now compatible with all current mainstream platforms out of the box.

Noctua has been shipping the updated versions with AM4 support for several months, so the stock that is in stores now already includes AM4 hardware. In the unlikely event that customers who buy new coolers should still receive old stock without AM4 mountings, they can still order free upgrade kits via Noctuaís website.
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Secret on March 04, 2019, 09:59:28 PM
Good to know and good on them for including it.
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Secret on October 14, 2019, 01:09:01 PM
That new 12 core 3900x has me a bit jealous now lol.
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on October 14, 2019, 02:10:57 PM
That new 12 core 3900x has me a bit jealous now lol.

I hear you. I actually delayed rolling out the 3900X by about two months because it was non-existent upon release, and then was selling for $300 over retail. Now it's settled into a price that's about 10% over retail, but you know what, it's worth it for content creation. Those 12 cores mean business. It's about 50% more than the 3800X, with 50% more cores. The market spoke and AMD listened: people wanted to pay more for the 3900X than AMD launched it for. Fair enough. While AMD will never admit it, I do believe they officially raised the MSRP of the 3900X and delayed the 3950X by two months to fully soak up those margins. If you've got it, flaunt it, right?!?

And honestly, it's a win-win. While I had to trim a few components back in the $1,750 build to hit the target price, there's simply no better pay off for content creation than more cores, so it was absolutely worth paying a bit more for the 3900X. In the meantime, Intel is circling the drain. The latest news today is that it's officially eliminated 10nm CPUs from its desktop timeline, and will continue producing 14nm desktop chips until 2022. Guess what... while that may be true, I can tell you what they won't be doing: selling 14nm desktop chips through 2022, because no one is going to buy them!
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: karchip on October 27, 2019, 12:36:59 PM
Really great article, and super relevant for me right now. Thank you for posting. I am currently putting together a part list for a content creation build. My situation is slightly an anomaly as I need a couple of very specific capabilities. It's my first time building a PC and freaking out of course. Here is my situation any thoughts and suggestions are greatly appreciated. (Hope this post is appropriate for this thread.) I work in three different content creation worlds. First and foremost I work with gigapixel imaging, which means I work with monster .psb files that are 10-50GB with compression and uptowards 150-500GB without. I also work with 3D rendering software (keyshot and C4D in particular) then AE and premier is also in the mix. I clearly have to spend more money than this article suggests, which I am prepared to do (to a point) to meet the needs. Here are the things I am exploring right now: for the Photoshop processing of these enormous files I am looking to the 3900X overclocked, with a mobo with lots of PCIe lanes, (right now thinking of the ASRock X570 Phantom Gaming X ATX AM4 Motherboard) and get as much RAM as possible 64-128GB 3200 RAM. I am thinking of getting an SSD PCIe 4 dedicated scratch disk to help with a faster swap. As I've been researching this I've been hearing that that going for a really high-end GPU card is not necessary for photoshop, but I am thinking that in order to get good performance out of the 3D software for screen upres on 4k monitors, having 2X Nvidia 2070 super is a way to go. This is where I don't know if I am heading toward the right direction and if it is an overkill.  If yes, would I need a link bridge to make the most of it? I would like to stay away from AIO if possible, apparently, with good fans and a good case that promotes airflow, I should be fine? Like I said, I am new to this, I am defecting from a lackluster Mac station and I definitely don't want to spend the ridiculous amounts of money they are asking for the new Mac Pro or even the imac pro. Would you please chime in with feedback and recommends and if needed, correct the errors of my way? I don't see anybody posting part list so I'll refrain from it - unless you guys tell me it is ok.

thanks!
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on October 27, 2019, 07:09:21 PM
Really great article, and super relevant for me right now. Thank you for posting. I am currently putting together a part list for a content creation build. My situation is slightly an anomaly as I need a couple of very specific capabilities. It's my first time building a PC and freaking out of course. Here is my situation any thoughts and suggestions are greatly appreciated. (Hope this post is appropriate for this thread.) I work in three different content creation worlds. First and foremost I work with gigapixel imaging, which means I work with monster .psb files that are 10-50GB with compression and uptowards 150-500GB without. I also work with 3D rendering software (keyshot and C4D in particular) then AE and premier is also in the mix. I clearly have to spend more money than this article suggests, which I am prepared to do (to a point) to meet the needs. Here are the things I am exploring right now: for the Photoshop processing of these enormous files I am looking to the 3900X overclocked, with a mobo with lots of PCIe lanes, (right now thinking of the ASRock X570 Phantom Gaming X ATX AM4 Motherboard) and get as much RAM as possible 64-128GB 3200 RAM. I am thinking of getting an SSD PCIe 4 dedicated scratch disk to help with a faster swap. As I've been researching this I've been hearing that that going for a really high-end GPU card is not necessary for photoshop, but I am thinking that in order to get good performance out of the 3D software for screen upres on 4k monitors, having 2X Nvidia 2070 super is a way to go. This is where I don't know if I am heading toward the right direction and if it is an overkill.  If yes, would I need a link bridge to make the most of it? I would like to stay away from AIO if possible, apparently, with good fans and a good case that promotes airflow, I should be fine? Like I said, I am new to this, I am defecting from a lackluster Mac station and I definitely don't want to spend the ridiculous amounts of money they are asking for the new Mac Pro or even the imac pro. Would you please chime in with feedback and recommends and if needed, correct the errors of my way? I don't see anybody posting part list so I'll refrain from it - unless you guys tell me it is ok.

thanks!

Welcome to the TBG Forum, karchip!

It sounds like you've come to the right place by landing on the $1,750 Content Creation PC Build, but that your particular use case, demands a few upgrades for optimal performance. Not being a user of most of your particular applications, I can just give this general advice:

(1) With the image sizes you're talking about, you need a video card with as much VRAM as possible. There's no reason at all to run dual RTX 2070 Super cards in SLI. It won't scale well in terms of performance, and it won't scale at all in terms of VRAM. You want at a minimum the RTX 2080 Ti (https://www.amazon.com/MSI-GeForce-RTX-2080-11G/dp/B07HWW7NCW/ref=as_li_ss_tl?keywords=rtx+2080+ti+11gb&qid=1572227040&sr=8-10&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=d31968c98d42f2e87bed02885541a547&language=en_US), and you may actually want the $2500 Titan RTX 24GB (https://www.amazon.com/NVIDIA-Titan-RTX-Graphics-Card/dp/B07L8YGDL5/ref=as_li_ss_tl?keywords=rtx+titan&qid=1572227001&sr=8-3&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=d2440b94701d64fe527196628bb1a1cd&language=en_US). If you were expecting memory to double when using dual cards, well, that only works with RTX Titan and Quadro cards. The Quadro 6000 24GB is $3500, so then you're talking $7000 to get 48GB of VRAM. I'd honestly start with a single RTX Titan 24GB if you have the budget for it, otherwise stick with the RTX 2080 Ti.

(2) All X570 boards have the same number of PCIe lanes. There's nothing unique about the AsRock X570 Phantom Gaming X (https://www.amazon.com/ASRock-X570-Motherboard-Phantom-Gaming/dp/B07THYPNC9/ref=as_li_ss_tl?keywords=X570+Phantom+Gaming+X&qid=1572227132&sr=8-1&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=079afe25c7b168375d6e1a8ba9a97505&language=en_US) other than aesthetics. Spending a ton on a motherboard for this type of system doesn't really pay dividends. I'd stick with something like the MSI X570 Gaming Edge WiFi (https://www.amazon.com/MSI-X570-Gaming-Motherboard-Wi-Fi/dp/B07T2FWCYG/ref=as_li_ss_tl?keywords=X570+msi&qid=1572227184&sr=8-5&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=9a49d6a5758d5c867c7d4260c20fb8be&language=en_US). I see that the Phantom does have three m.2 slots, but I'm not convinced that's a huge selling point, as it actually disables one of the onboard PCIe slots. If you really need three M.2 drives, you can simply use an M.2-to-PCIe adapter and save about $100.

(3) I absolutely agree that a PCIe 4.0 drive for swap is a good idea. Not sure if it needs to be dedicated, but you could do that, and have another for your OS drive, and then perhaps a 4TB high-capacity 2.5" SSD (https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Inch-Internal-MZ-76E4T0B-AM/dp/B07864XY8B/ref=as_li_ss_tl?keywords=2.5%22+4tb&qid=1572228296&sr=8-19&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=42ddaeab59162a88190c6193d7c5c78e&language=en_US) for your work product.

(4) Like all Ryzen processors, the 3900X doesn't overclock well, and running overclocked is not a good choice for professional applications. Just run Precision Boost Overdrive if you want to increase performance slightly with no risk of crashing or failure.

(5) The cooler and case recommended in the guide will be perfect, no need to upgrade.

Hope that helps!
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: karchip on October 28, 2019, 08:37:24 AM
Thank you Ari for the thorough advice and suggestions. A lot of it makes sense. Good to know about overclocking. I didn't know that Ryzen doesn't do well with that and will explore Precision Boost Overdrive, don't know much about it though :).
-A couple of questions... since Photoshop doesn't take advantage of multicore and only uses GPU for certain functions, I'll be heavily relying on CPU speed and lots of RAM, would it make sense to use a mobo that supports quad-channel memory? Does the processor have anything to do with supporting quad-channel memory or is that primarily the function of the mobo?
-Thank you for the advice about the Vram (the price scares me) but sounds like the right way to think about it.  I am wondering if I should talk to some of those software co to see how their programs use GPU.
-The one reason I was thinking of the AsRock Phantom was for the thunderbolt capability or is there a cheaper workaround? In addition, I noticed that no x570 supports 8 RAM slots and none of them support memory beyond 128GB. Is that because of the lack of processor support? I thought it would make sense to get mobo that has 8 RAM slots and get 8 16GB 3200hz unbuffered chips? Am I correct that the processor and mobo need to be able to support those chip speeds in order to take advantage of it?

Thanks
Karchi
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on October 28, 2019, 09:03:20 PM
Thank you Ari for the thorough advice and suggestions. A lot of it makes sense. Good to know about overclocking. I didn't know that Ryzen doesn't do well with that and will explore Precision Boost Overdrive, don't know much about it though :).
-A couple of questions... since Photoshop doesn't take advantage of multicore and only uses GPU for certain functions, I'll be heavily relying on CPU speed and lots of RAM, would it make sense to use a mobo that supports quad-channel memory? Does the processor have anything to do with supporting quad-channel memory or is that primarily the function of the mobo?
-Thank you for the advice about the Vram (the price scares me) but sounds like the right way to think about it.  I am wondering if I should talk to some of those software co to see how their programs use GPU.
-The one reason I was thinking of the AsRock Phantom was for the thunderbolt capability or is there a cheaper workaround? In addition, I noticed that no x570 supports 8 RAM slots and none of them support memory beyond 128GB. Is that because of the lack of processor support? I thought it would make sense to get mobo that has 8 RAM slots and get 8 16GB 3200hz unbuffered chips? Am I correct that the processor and mobo need to be able to support those chip speeds in order to take advantage of it?

Thanks
Karchi

Contacting the vendors of your software suites may be a good idea.

But to answer your basic questions:

(1) Quad-channel memory is a feature of chipsets, not CPUs. It's only available on AMD Threadripper or Intel's X-series processors. A new threadripper and a brand-new Threadripper platform is coming out sometime next month, but it will likely land at around $1,000 for a 24-core CPU and $400 and up for the motherboards. Nothing's been announced yet. Availability will likely be very limited through the end of the year. Going with a 3900X and DDR4-3600 RAM today would likely be a better plan, but you will be limited to 64GB. No 8-slot boards outside of the Threadripper context (and Intel is sort of garbage at this point for your needs).

(2) You can always get a Thunderbolt add-in card, like this one (https://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-GC-Titan-Ridge-Thunderbolt-Component/dp/B07GBZL93X/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=93a52474a2597dc5358f9ceaf8b8120a&language=en_US). But if you have Thunderbolt devices or know you'll be using them, just go with the AsRock board. It's a good choice.
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: karchip on October 30, 2019, 05:19:41 PM
Thank you Ari for clarifying. So, with regards to the Thunderbolt, if I get the AsRock board that has thunderbolt capability I don't need to buy a TB card as well? In other words, am I just connecting the Type C port to the motherboard and it's good to go? (Excuse my ignorance.)
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on October 30, 2019, 05:59:04 PM
Thank you Ari for clarifying. So, with regards to the Thunderbolt, if I get the AsRock board that has thunderbolt capability I don't need to buy a TB card as well? In other words, am I just connecting the Type C port to the motherboard and it's good to go? (Excuse my ignorance.)

Oh, you know what, I just checked the specs, and that board does not have a Thunderbolt port, it has a Thunderbolt header. Skip it. I don't really like the user reviews I'm seeing on it, and frankly, it's too much to spend on an AsRock X570 board.

If you need Thunderbolt, I'd use an add-on card and get a cheaper motherboard like the one in the guide.
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: karchip on October 31, 2019, 12:12:05 PM
Noted, thank you! And thanks for reading up on it and researching it. That makes total sense to me. So, I'll get the card you referenced earlier. :)
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: karchip on October 31, 2019, 07:05:21 PM
Hi Ari, one more quick question. I use NAS for my overall storage. Does it make sense for me to get a motherboard that can do 2.5 Gbit/s? Does my ethernet speed depend on the motherboard or does it need a card to go along with it? I continuously back up on the NAS as I work locally. thanks.
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on November 01, 2019, 09:34:49 AM
Hi Ari, one more quick question. I use NAS for my overall storage. Does it make sense for me to get a motherboard that can do 2.5 Gbit/s? Does my ethernet speed depend on the motherboard or does it need a card to go along with it? I continuously back up on the NAS as I work locally. thanks.

Unfortunately, 2.5Gbps Ethernet is still in its infancy, and it won't work for your application. Even the most expensive routers, like the unreleased TP-Link AX11000 and the Asus ROG Rapture GT-AX11000 (https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-GT-AX11000-Tri-Band-Aiprotection-Compatible/dp/B07MRD1LDZ/ref=as_li_ss_tl?keywords=AX11000&qid=1572625786&sr=8-3&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=808e7d803cfe20ed9cea8b03ccead902) only have one 2.5Gbps port, and it's intended to be used with an ultra-low-latency gaming system PC. There are no routers on the market with dual 2.5Gbps ports, which is the minimum that you'd need to use for NAS (one for your main PC, one for your NAS).

So, you can certainly get a motherboard with a 2.5Gbps port now as an investment in future-tech, but you won't be able to use it yet for your purposes, or actually any purposes unless you upgrade your router to use with your new PC.
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: karchip on November 01, 2019, 03:36:29 PM
Thank you! it is then irrelevant for me at this point.
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: karchip on November 09, 2019, 10:29:36 AM
Hey Ari, I am picking out my RAM at this moment. My options for 128 GB are the Corsair 4X32GB (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07V7WZ2H6/ref=as_li_ss_tl?&th=1&psc=1&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=886d76536d913d47255cc87799ff8400&language=en_US) or the one recommended by Puget Systems Samsung 32 GB 2666 indivigual modules https://www.pugetsystems.com/parts/Ram/Samsung-DDR4-2666-32GB-13191 (https://www.pugetsystems.com/parts/Ram/Samsung-DDR4-2666-32GB-13191). When I looked up this Samsung RAM it didn't come in a kit so I'd just be getting 4 of those I guess. What do I need to know about compatibility? What should I keep in mind or be aware? I am going to get the AsRock X570 Taichi board with the Noctua NH-U12S fan. I know the RAM clearance and the CPU fan can be a problem. I don't know how to figure that in advance. It is a lot of money to lay out to make a mistake. :)

BTW, I've been watching your high-end PC build video. It is super clear and helpful, thank you! - still feels a bit overwhelming though. :)
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on November 09, 2019, 02:16:01 PM
Hey Ari, I am picking out my RAM at this moment. My options for 128 GB are the Corsair 4X32GB (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07V7WZ2H6/ref=as_li_ss_tl?&th=1&psc=1&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=886d76536d913d47255cc87799ff8400&language=en_US) or the one recommended by Puget Systems Samsung 32 GB 2666 indivigual modules https://www.pugetsystems.com/parts/Ram/Samsung-DDR4-2666-32GB-13191 (https://www.pugetsystems.com/parts/Ram/Samsung-DDR4-2666-32GB-13191). When I looked up this Samsung RAM it didn't come in a kit so I'd just be getting 4 of those I guess. What do I need to know about compatibility? What should I keep in mind or be aware? I am going to get the AsRock X570 Taichi board with the Noctua NH-U12S fan. I know the RAM clearance and the CPU fan can be a problem. I don't know how to figure that in advance. It is a lot of money to lay out to make a mistake. :)

BTW, I've been watching your high-end PC build video. It is super clear and helpful, thank you! - still feels a bit overwhelming though. :)

The Corsair kit should work fine. DDR4-2666 won't stress the system. Such dense modules running at something like 3200MHz would likely fail to boot.

And the Noctua NH-U12S (https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=as_li_ss_tl?k=Noctua+NH-U12S&i=electronics&ref=nb_sb_noss&linkCode=ll2&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=7552ea382015dc04a0af32bbcc289872&language=en_US) is a good choice, no RAM clearance issues, but a far better cooler at the same price is the new Scythe Fuma 2 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07RFNG89S/ref=as_li_ss_tl?smid=A1K48CS0K3BRLW&psc=1&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=e5594bb5d16900eb4b9ef7547a249523). If you're using the 12-core 3900X CPU, that extra cooling capacity will be helpful.
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: karchip on November 10, 2019, 11:55:47 AM
Great, sounds good and thank you for the suggestion re the cooler. I'll take a look.
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: karchip on November 10, 2019, 04:21:32 PM
Hey Ari, so I think this is close to my final part list. Do you see anything that could be problematic or that would negate/conflict max performance due to incompatibility or over-stuffing, etc.? Karchi's Build: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/karchip/saved/9NfTCJ (https://pcpartpicker.com/user/karchip/saved/9NfTCJ)

Thank you so much for your continued feedback.
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on November 10, 2019, 04:27:24 PM
Hey Ari, so I think this is close to my final part list. Do you see anything that could be problematic or that would negate/conflict max performance due to incompatibility or over-stuffing, etc.? Karchi's Build: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/karchip/saved/9NfTCJ (https://pcpartpicker.com/user/karchip/saved/9NfTCJ)

Thank you so much for your continued feedback.

That list is private, so I can't see it.

Also remember that if you'd like to support TBG, you'll need to use the links in TBG's guide, rather than PCPP.
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: karchip on November 11, 2019, 07:12:26 AM
Yes! thanks for reminding me about the guide.

Here is the list (made it public): https://pcpartpicker.com/user/karchip/saved/9NfTCJ

AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor

Scythe FUMA 2 51.17 CFM CPU Cooler

Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5 g Thermal Paste

ASRock X570 Taichi ATX AM4 Motherboard   $259.99

Corsair Vengeance LPX 128 GB (4 x 32 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory

Corsair MP600 Force Series Gen4 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive

Corsair MP600 Force Series Gen4 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State DriveCorsair MP600 Force Series Gen4 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB Founders Edition Video Card

Phanteks Evolv X ATX Mid Tower Case   $193.00

EVGA SuperNOVA 1000 P2 1000 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply

BenQ SW271 27.0" 3840x2160 60 Hz Monitor

CableMod Basic Cable Extension Kit - 8+6 Pin Series - Black/White               
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on November 11, 2019, 10:04:55 AM
Yes! thanks for reminding me about the guide.

Here is the list (made it public): https://pcpartpicker.com/user/karchip/saved/9NfTCJ

AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor

Scythe FUMA 2 51.17 CFM CPU Cooler

Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5 g Thermal Paste

ASRock X570 Taichi ATX AM4 Motherboard   $259.99

Corsair Vengeance LPX 128 GB (4 x 32 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory

Corsair MP600 Force Series Gen4 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive

Corsair MP600 Force Series Gen4 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State DriveCorsair MP600 Force Series Gen4 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB Founders Edition Video Card

Phanteks Evolv X ATX Mid Tower Case   $193.00

EVGA SuperNOVA 1000 P2 1000 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply

BenQ SW271 27.0" 3840x2160 60 Hz Monitor

CableMod Basic Cable Extension Kit - 8+6 Pin Series - Black/White

The only thing I'm unclear about is the SSDs. Are you using a 2TB plus a 1TB and a 500GB?

Also, you don't really want the Founders Edition RTX 2080 Ti. It will overheat. Get the EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti Black (https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-Gaming-Graphics-11G-P4-2281-KR/dp/B07KSPW8HQ/ref=as_li_ss_tl?keywords=rtx+2080+Ti+black&qid=1573495402&s=electronics&sr=1-3&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=a98c0e8dbfb44be2530ae5ce3fe35fda&language=en_US). That's the card I personally use - great performance for the price.
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: karchip on November 11, 2019, 03:01:20 PM
Yes, so the three ssd is about using the 500gb for system and application use, the 1TB is for a dedicated scratch disk for photoshop. With my super large file sizes (uncompressed files can hit 250gb) I need a super fast scratch disk solely for PS. The third 2TB is for my active storage. Again, I want a fast drive so when saving and opening these massive files I can save some time. Currently it takes 15 minutes to open these crazy sizes.

Thanks for the graphics card note. I actually have been having second thoughts. I am a bit confused, because, yes, Iíd like to have a card that offers the processing power of the 2080ti, but I just read that they donít support 10 bit and therefore canít take advantage of my 10bit IPS monitors. My work is color critical as well. So, I donít know what to do. :) I definitely cannot afford a $2500 card or even more expensive. Apparently, only the Quadra cards support 10 bit? Do you have familiarity in these areas?
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: karchip on November 11, 2019, 03:17:08 PM
Hi Ari, I just read this on Puget System's note about graphics card: "Photoshop works great with a Quadro card, but since 10-bit display support was added for GeForce in late July 2019, the main advantage of Quadro is the larger VRAM and slightly higher reliability." Should  my concern be over?
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on November 12, 2019, 12:26:57 PM
Hi Ari, I just read this on Puget System's note about graphics card: "Photoshop works great with a Quadro card, but since 10-bit display support was added for GeForce in late July 2019, the main advantage of Quadro is the larger VRAM and slightly higher reliability." Should  my concern be over?

The nvidia studio drivers did add some professional functionality to the GeForce line. The RTX 2080 Ti is therefore a good option for you.

By the way, in terms of SSDs, you could use a 500GB as your scratch and the 1TB for your OS, as the 1TB model is slightly faster and you won't leave anything on the scratch disk permanently that would fill it up.
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: karchip on November 12, 2019, 03:58:21 PM
Sounds good, that makes sense.

Besides some cable extensions, what else comes up during the build that I maybe missing that makes sense to have on hand? Oh, I believe I need to add some case fans. The ones coming with the case are probably not that great. I was thinking of having three front fans one in the back and maybe couple on top???

Re using the TBG links to purchase items, I only saw a few items that from my list. Is there a specific place on TBG where I can link to more items? If yes can you please help me link to it?
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on November 12, 2019, 07:41:39 PM
Sounds good, that makes sense.

Besides some cable extensions, what else comes up during the build that I maybe missing that makes sense to have on hand? Oh, I believe I need to add some case fans. The ones coming with the case are probably not that great. I was thinking of having three front fans one in the back and maybe couple on top???

Re using the TBG links to purchase items, I only saw a few items that from my list. Is there a specific place on TBG where I can link to more items? If yes can you please help me link to it?

Actually, the Evolv X has excellent fans, and there's no need to replace them. If you'd like to add fans to the top, you should simply go with the best - pick up two of Noctua's NF-A14 black edition fans (https://www.amazon.com/Noctua-NF-A14-PWM-chromax-Black-swap-Premium/dp/B07655KF5C/ref=as_li_ss_tl?keywords=noctua+140mm+fan&qid=1573616189&sr=8-4&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=4a5e8c8258288fdaa7625497fcb422fa). If you want to max out your system, move the pre-installed rear fan to the front, and get a third Noctua fan for the rear.

You honestly don't need anything else, but if you'd like the best thermal paste, get a tube of Noctua NT-H2 (https://www.amazon.com/Noctua-NT-H2-3-5g-Pro-Grade-Compound/dp/B07MXFTNZY/ref=as_li_ss_tl?keywords=Noctua+NT-H2&qid=1573616264&sr=8-1&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=7f967565dd83b741ef3816112f3dbd7b). The Scythe cooler comes with decent stuff, but NT-H2 is the best, and you'll have enough for many applications.

To purchase the items, you can follow any single link from the TBG guide, and then search from within Amazon for the other items you want. Anything added to the cart during that shopping trip will credit TBG as long as you buy it within 24 hours.
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: fredlegrand on November 27, 2019, 07:36:01 AM
Hello Ari.

First of all, thanks again for your help. My PC rocks because of you!

On my Gigabyte X470 Ultra gaming board, I currently have two SSDs installed:

1- Samsung 860 Evo 2TB M.2 drive
2- Crucial MX500 2TB 2.5" drive

As Black Friday is closing in, can I add a third SSD drive on that board? On a PCI slot I guess? If so, would you please recommend one with 2TB storage or 1TB if the deal is better, considering I'm in Canada.

Thanks a bunch.

Frederic.

Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on November 27, 2019, 08:29:48 AM
Hello Ari.

First of all, thanks again for your help. My PC rocks because of you!

On my Gigabyte X470 Ultra gaming board, I currently have two SSDs installed:

1- Samsung 860 Evo 2TB M.2 drive
2- Crucial MX500 2TB 2.5" drive

As Black Friday is closing in, can I add a third SSD drive on that board? On a PCI slot I guess? If so, would you please recommend one with 2TB storage or 1TB if the deal is better, considering I'm in Canada.

Thanks a bunch.

Frederic.

Welcome back! Great to hear that the system is working for you. You have one more M.2 slot on that board, the long one is PCIe or SATA, so you must be using it for your 860 Evo.

For your other slot, you need to go PCIe, which is fine because the are lots of great options. But the very best deal is the XPG SX8200 Pro 1TB. (https://amzn.to/2sfHkEb)
Title: Re: TBG's $1,750 Content Creation PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on November 27, 2019, 11:50:58 AM
Hello Ari.

First of all, thanks again for your help. My PC rocks because of you!

On my Gigabyte X470 Ultra gaming board, I currently have two SSDs installed:

1- Samsung 860 Evo 2TB M.2 drive
2- Crucial MX500 2TB 2.5" drive

As Black Friday is closing in, can I add a third SSD drive on that board? On a PCI slot I guess? If so, would you please recommend one with 2TB storage or 1TB if the deal is better, considering I'm in Canada.

Thanks a bunch.

Frederic.

Welcome back! Great to hear that the system is working for you. You have one more M.2 slot on that board, the long one is PCIe or SATA, so you must be using it for your 860 Evo.

For your other slot, you need to go PCIe, which is fine because the are lots of great options. But the very best deal is the XPG SX8200 Pro 1TB. (https://amzn.to/2sfHkEb)

Actually, I found you an even better deal, assuming that a 2TB drive is your preference. The Gammix S11, which is identical to the SX8200 in everything but name, is available in a 2TB version for CDN$285 (https://www.amazon.ca/XPG-GAMMIX-Gen3x4-3000MB-AGAMMIXS11P-2TT-C/dp/B07YLDWCYV/ref=as_li_ss_tl?keywords=sx8200+2tb&qid=1574884129&s=electronics&sr=1-4&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu06-20&linkId=1fe2b1f0e356ee5d0cae521232a381dc). For whatever reason, the 2TB version of the SX8200 Pro isn't available on Amazon.ca, and I didn't think to look for this one before. But actually, it's an even better deal than the SX8200 Pro 1TB!