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Title: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Ari Altman on April 27, 2017, 02:55:48 PM
Comments or questions on TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide (http://techbuyersguru.com/1300-high-end-home-theater-pc-build)? Post them here!
(http://techbuyersguru.com/sites/default/files/resize/pictures/Cases/CaseReviews/SilverStoneGD09/FinalBuild-500x375.jpg)
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: wolf on April 29, 2017, 08:56:24 AM
Hi Ari,

this guide looks awesome. I have 2 questions:

How many SSD can fit in this case?
How does the stock cpu cooler compare against the coolers from your 120mm shootout?

Thanks for all the great information on this site!
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Ari Altman on April 29, 2017, 09:21:24 AM
Hi Ari,

this guide looks awesome. I have 2 questions:

How many SSD can fit in this case?
How does the stock cpu cooler compare against the coolers from your 120mm shootout?

Thanks for all the great information on this site!

Glad you like this new build, wolf!

The SilverStone GD09 (http://amzn.to/2qq90jE) case officially has space for two 2.5" drives in dedicated mounts, or four if you use the optical drive bay for additional internal storage. But the great thing about 2.5" SSDs is that they're so small and light that you can basically stick them anywhere. You can velcro them to any flat surface in the case if you really want to add more.

I actually haven't tested the AMD Wraith Spire cooler (for some reason, AMD removed it from the box when they sent me a Ryzen 7 1700 (http://amzn.to/2oWbbv5) sample), but based on its specs and size, I'd say it's at least equivalent to a SilverStone AR06 (http://amzn.to/2pIOKxa) or Noctua NH-L9x65 (http://amzn.to/2oT9nlt). It's most certainly better than the overpriced Noctua NH-L9i/a series.

If there's enough interest from readers in this build, I'll be publishing a step-by-step assembly guide for it, as I already have most of the parts on hand (I don't have the cooler, I'll use the NH-L9x65 I have plus the Noctua AM4 adapter).
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Reyort on April 29, 2017, 09:39:14 PM
So basically there is no need to upgrade the cooler, correct? It is not like you would overclock this build anyway.
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Ari Altman on April 29, 2017, 10:37:37 PM
So basically there is no need to upgrade the cooler, correct? It is not like you would overclock this build anyway.

Yes, that's correct. The AMD Wraith cooler is actually a very good product. You can even do a bit of overclocking on it. At moderate voltages, Ryzen chips run impressively cool.
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: wolf on May 10, 2017, 11:34:37 AM

If there's enough interest from readers in this build, I'll be publishing a step-by-step assembly guide for it, as I already have most of the parts on hand (I don't have the cooler, I'll use the NH-L9x65 I have plus the Noctua AM4 adapter).

I would like to see a step by step guide for this build if you donīt have more important things to test.

One more question concerning the ram and ryzen cpus. Will this ram be able to run at its rated speed eaven if i use 4 pieces of ram (4x4GB or 4x8GB)?  I read if you run 4 DIMM it is only supported up to 1866 Mhz.





Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Ari Altman on May 10, 2017, 02:23:19 PM

If there's enough interest from readers in this build, I'll be publishing a step-by-step assembly guide for it, as I already have most of the parts on hand (I don't have the cooler, I'll use the NH-L9x65 I have plus the Noctua AM4 adapter).

I would like to see a step by step guide for this build if you donīt have more important things to test.

One more question concerning the ram and ryzen cpus. Will this ram be able to run at its rated speed eaven if i use 4 pieces of ram (4x4GB or 4x8GB)?  I read if you run 4 DIMM it is only supported up to 1866 Mhz.

wolf,

I've already completed photography for a review of the SilverStone GD09 case (http://amzn.to/2qsRAqB). I got into a lot of detail with my photos, and the review should provide all the information you need that's not already in the Ryzen Assembly guide (http://techbuyersguru.com/pc-builders-guides-assembling-amd-ryzen-pc-2017). I ended up using an Intel board and processor for the GD09 build, but it doesn't affect how you actually build the HTPC system other than cooler installation, which is covered in the Ryzen guide.

As for memory support, 1866MHz really isn't where RAM defaults to - it's 2133MHz. And indeed, all the four-stick memory kits I have default to this speed and cannot run faster. As you may have seen in the Ryzen guide, I used a "Ryzen-qualified" GeIL 2x8GB DDR4-3000 kit (http://www.anrdoezrs.net/links/7120282/type/dlg/https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820144970&cm_re=geil_super_luce-_-20-144-970-_-Product), which works perfectly atg 2933MHz, but alas, I only have two sticks of this RAM. So in the end, your best bet if you want four sticks to work at their rates speed is to look over the Gigabyte Memory Support List (http://www.gigabyte.us/Motherboard/GA-AB350-Gaming-3-rev-10#support-doc) for the AB350-Gaming 3 (http://amzn.to/2plwU3J) (which I strongly recommend after extensive testing) and find a 4-stick kit that's been validated by Gigabyte. For example, this HyperX 4x8GB DDR4-2666 (http://amzn.to/2plPI2L) is on the list and verified at 4 sticks. Truth be told, however, 16GB is going to be more than enough for as long as this system is viable.
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: wolf on May 11, 2017, 01:53:40 PM
Thanks again for the reply. Since having 4 ram slots is a big advantage of ATX boards against ITX boards i was just interested to know how well Ryzen will work with it.
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Ari Altman on May 11, 2017, 02:13:34 PM
Thanks again for the reply. Since having 4 ram slots is a big advantage of ATX boards against ITX boards i was just interested to know how well Ryzen will work with it.

I entirely agree, and I wish I could confirm how 4 sticks work with Ryzen, but despite trying four different 4-stick kits out (one from Corsair and three from G.Skill), none have operated at anything over 2133MHz.

This is definitely an area where AMD's Ryzen platform needs improvement (and it's being updated regularly to sort all this out), but there are many other advantages to ATX boards. So I still feel Ryzen is the optimal CPU for an HTPC.
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Ari Altman on May 11, 2017, 09:00:14 PM
The review of the SilverStone GD09 (http://techbuyersguru.com/silverstone-gd09-atx-case-review) case is now live, and includes plenty of tips on how to build up an HTPC using it.

(http://techbuyersguru.com/sites/default/files/pictures/Cases/CaseReviews/SilverStoneGD09/FinishedBuildTopDownPromo.jpg) (http://techbuyersguru.com/silverstone-gd09-atx-case-review)
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: wolf on June 15, 2017, 09:19:10 AM
Hi Ari,

i'm starting to buy some parts of this build since prices are increasing a bit. My problem is the GPU. I wanted to buy the EVGA GTX 1060 6G SC since it was listed in the may build but prices are increasing and availability is not so good. Can you suggest a good  alternative for the 1060? (It shouldn't be too loud)

I found a MSI GeForce GTX 1070 Aero ITX OC 8GB on Preorder for 324€ on Amazon and wouldn't mind to spend 50€ more for such a big improvement. It should just fit with 4mm space left to the top. Maybe this could be a problem. But i also don't know when or if it ships. https://www.amazon.de/dp/B06XD7ZRSZ/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=1C8H288DF16AU&coliid=I2VN6K9BF6K5UL (http://amzn.to/2s5p7H0)

What do you think? Just buy a GTX 1060 for around 280€ because prices wonīt go down for a while or wait and see if i get lucky with the GTX 1070.

Are mini-cards in general better for this case?

Thanks as always!

wolf
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Ari Altman on June 15, 2017, 09:50:00 AM
Hi Ari,

i'm starting to buy some parts of this build since prices are increasing a bit. My problem is the GPU. I wanted to buy the EVGA GTX 1060 6G SC since it was listed in the may build but prices are increasing and availability is not so good. Can you suggest a good  alternative for the 1060? (It shouldn't be too loud)

I found a MSI GeForce GTX 1070 Aero ITX OC 8GB on Preorder for 324€ on Amazon and wouldn't mind to spend 50€ more for such a big improvement. It should just fit with 4mm space left to the top. Maybe this could be a problem. But i also don't know when or if it ships. https://www.amazon.de/dp/B06XD7ZRSZ/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=1C8H288DF16AU&coliid=I2VN6K9BF6K5UL (http://amzn.to/2s5p7H0)

What do you think? Just buy a GTX 1060 for around 280€ because prices wonīt go down for a while or wait and see if i get lucky with the GTX 1070.

Are mini-cards in general better for this case?

Thanks as always!

wolf

wolf,

What you've stumbled upon is something that's turned  the entire PC market upside down in the past few weeks: the ethereum cryptocurrency mining craze. People hear they can make a fortune mining these coins and then buy up all the GPUs available to make that fortune. A few weeks ago, every single RX 470/480/570/580 card sold out around the world, and then people turned to the less-effective GTX 1060. Once those sold out, they moved on to the GTX 1070. These cards are awesome for gaming, but they're not that good for mining, which makes it almost certain that all these gold-diggers will lose money in the effort to get rich, and in the meantime, people like you (and just about every other TBG reader over the past few weeks) has been unable to complete their HTPC or gaming builds. It's a real problem, including for TBG, because when people don't buy PCs, TBG doesn't make any money! As you have probably seen, ads are kept to a minimum, so they don't sustain the site.

Now, to answer your specific question about video card designs, I generally do not recommend the "ITX"-style GTX 1070 cards. The GPU is just a bit too powerful for these tiny coolers. For the GTX 1060, they make sense, but for the GTX 1070, they aren't ideal, and furthermore, a longer card will fit just fine in the GD09 case. You just have to be careful about height. That being said, the MSI GTX 1070 Aero (http://amzn.to/2s5p7H0) you found for 324 Euros is an extremely good deal. I wonder if it's a price error. If you can buy it at that price, you should jump on it, but please be aware that most GTX 1070 cards are selling for around 400-500 Euros, which is why I think that price may be a mistake. Alternatively, the EVGA GTX 1060 SC (http://amzn.to/2tqZTRa) appears to be in stock on Amazon.de right now (one in stock), for 282 Euros, so you could just buy that, which will work great with an HTPC.
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: wolf on June 23, 2017, 08:55:57 AM
Hi Ari,

i finished my build now but i run into a problem. Everything started, i could see the M.2 SSD in the bios and installed Windows. After the installation i needed to move the pc to my modem because the wire was to short. After the restart it would not boot and did not recognize my SSD in the BIOS.

Do you have any idea what is wrong?

My parts are:
Gigabyte AB350 Gaming 3
2*8GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200 MHz
Ryzen 7 1700
Crucial MX300 1TB M.2
EVGA 550 GS
EVGA GTX 1060 SC
Archer T8E Wireless card
Win 10 Flash drive



Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Ari Altman on June 23, 2017, 09:43:29 AM
Hi Ari,

i finished my build now but i run into a problem. Everything started, i could see the M.2 SSD in the bios and installed Windows. After the installation i needed to move the pc to my modem because the wire was to short. After the restart it would not boot and did not recognize my SSD in the BIOS.

Do you have any idea what is wrong?

My parts are:
Gigabyte AB350 Gaming 3
2*8GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200 MHz
Ryzen 7 1700
Crucial MX300 1TB M.2
EVGA 550 GS
EVGA GTX 1060 SC
Archer T8E Wireless card
Win 10 Flash drive

Given that it was running fine before you moved it, something must have come lose. Is this system powering up (fans turning), or is there no power to the system? If there's no power at all, move it back to the original location and see if that outlet works. Also make sure that all internal power connectors are firmly locked in.

From your description, it seems like you are actually getting into the BIOS, but your M.2 drive is not being recognized. That's a bit odd, as there are no cables that can come loose from an M.2 drive, but I'd still recommend you uninstall and reinstall the M.2 drive to make sure it is seated correctly. Perhaps it was knocked loose.
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: wolf on June 24, 2017, 06:09:02 AM
Hi Ari,

i removed the SSD an inserted it again but nothing changed. The PC is powering up and i can enter the bios, there is no boot drive visible. when i insert the windows 10 flash drive i can start the installation but i dont have a place to install it. only the usb drive is listed. But there is one interesting thing. if i want to add drivers i can brows through the file system i see different harddrives and one with a windows installation i thing. So i think the SSD is working but not recognized as a bootdrive but i donīt know what to do about it.

The link for the pics: https://1drv.ms/f/s!AmfsrLcpYV-ngbocNAlSo9oDwXn3vA (https://1drv.ms/f/s!AmfsrLcpYV-ngbocNAlSo9oDwXn3vA)

I had a second USB drive with some motherboard drivers inserted at this time, but it didnīt help.

I did update the Bios to the newest version F7 but nothing changed.

Didn`t think, that installing windows is the hardest part...but it worked fine the first time...
 
Do you think i should install windows to an external harddrive an see if the SSD is recognized by the OS?

I hope you can help me get through this trouble.


Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Ari Altman on June 24, 2017, 07:34:20 AM
To confirm, did you ever actually boot the system into Windows after installation but before you picked up the system? I want to determine if the OS installed successfully the first time.

Did you name it X: by the way? I see that in the photos. That would not be done automatically by Windows, so I wonder if that could be an issue.

Do you have another drive you can install to, just temporarily? It has to be at least 32GB, so small flash drives won't work.
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: wolf on June 24, 2017, 07:48:29 AM
The installation was completed but since i have no cd drive i needed to get closer to the modem. I shut down the system normal out of windows than i moved it.

I didnīt change any names of the drives. Just set my username password und windows settings.

I have an external SSD which i can and will use. I have to format it. which file format should i use?

Thanks for the help
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Ari Altman on June 24, 2017, 09:57:55 AM
The Windows installer will format the drive for you, just select your SSD and remove all partitions, then format.
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: wolf on June 24, 2017, 10:22:18 AM
Next problems were that the drive was a MBR partition and i had to switch it to GPT. The changes in the BIOS did not work. Now i noticed that windows 10 Home wonīt install to USB Drives. Now i try to use a tool to make a portable windows on the USB-SSD.
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: wolf on June 24, 2017, 12:49:27 PM
Ok, now i booted into windows with an external Installation on an SSD. I do not see the M.2 drive in the Explorer but i see an unknown device in the device manager. After a reboot it tryed to initialize the Drive but could not find the right data.

I downloaded the mainboard driver from Gigabite on a usb stick and installed most of the and downloaded crucials "Crucial Storage Executive" and a Firmware iso.

The CSE is listing one device but this is just called Drive0 - Good Condition
No firmware information could be shown.

Should i try and update the firmware or can i damage with it more.

I call it a day now... will look a bit into initializing drives and see what i can figure out.

Thanks for your time Ari! Any help is appreciated
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Ari Altman on June 24, 2017, 01:30:36 PM
I've actually been helping another forum user today with a Crucial drive installation (you can see it in the most recent posts). He's working with an AsRock board, and he was never even able to get to the install point (yet).

In your case, I'm really wondering if something was physically damaged or dislodged when you moved the computer. Very strange that it went from booting into Windows to not finding the boot drive at all.

The best way to locate and initialize a disk once you're in Windows is via Disk Management. Simply type that into the Windows 10 search bar and the "create and format hard disk partitions" option will appear. From there you should see your M.2 drive and be able to initialize it, if it is indeed physically functioning.

At this point, since you are running the PC off a second SSD, you know that it fundamentally works, so the only two possible culprits are the M.2 drive or the M.2 slot on the motherboard. I don't think you need to update firmware for the SSD, although having the latest Gigabyte firmware and resetting it to factory defaults would be ideal.
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: wolf on June 25, 2017, 05:49:35 AM
Hi Ari,

thanks for the help so far. I could not see any unknown device in "create and format hard disk partitions" this time...so i think its gone completely. The device manager is not showing the unknown device like last time. I removed the drive one last time and installed it again but nothing changed.

So i will send it back but iīm not sure if i want a replacement or if i buy from a different company. I really hope it is the ssd and not the MB. If this does not work i have to get a new MB. But lets try this first.

Do you have a good alternativ to the crucial 1TB? If i have to spend a bit more it would not be a problem but 150€ more for the samsung evo is maybe a bit much.

Read the other and really hope crucial has no bad batch... donīt want to figure it out.
 
Is there a way to check if the m.2 slot on the MB is working or not in the BIOS or with a tool?

Thanks for your advice!
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Ari Altman on June 25, 2017, 06:38:20 AM
Hi Ari,

thanks for the help so far. I could not see any unknown device in "create and format hard disk partitions" this time...so i think its gone completely. The device manager is not showing the unknown device like last time. I removed the drive one last time and installed it again but nothing changed.

So i will send it back but iīm not sure if i want a replacement or if i buy from a different company. I really hope it is the ssd and not the MB. If this does not work i have to get a new MB. But lets try this first.

Do you have a good alternativ to the crucial 1TB? If i have to spend a bit more it would not be a problem but 150€ more for the samsung evo is maybe a bit much.

Read the other and really hope crucial has no bad batch... donīt want to figure it out.
 
Is there a way to check if the m.2 slot on the MB is working or not in the BIOS or with a tool?

Thanks for your advice!

While I really like the M.2 form factor, in this situation, I suggest reverting back to a 2.5" drive, just in case there is something wrong with the motherboard's M.2 slot. I don't know of any way to test it other than using an M.2 drive. And the truth is that this system does indeed have space for the larger form factor.

I believe you're in Germany, or at least can order from there, so I'm going to provide Amazon.de links here. Compared to the Crucial MX300 1TB M.2 (https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B01L80DH1Y/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=thtebusgull-21&camp=1638&creative=6742&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B01L80DH1Y&linkId=7fda05bd05d489cbf162e48969468bfb), the Samsung 850 Evo 1TB 2.5" (https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00P738MUU/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=thtebusgull-21&camp=1638&creative=6742&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B00P738MUU&linkId=cb0253f2963dc4edae9139c15f20e53a) is a fantastic deal. Just a bit more expensive, but slightly faster too. You mentioned the Samsung Evo being 150€ more, but that must have been for the 960 Evo 1TB M.2 (https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B01M7P06DY/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=thtebusgull-21&camp=1638&creative=6742&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B01M7P06DY&linkId=c7f895316fbd6511015e03f30f5102dd), which is ultra-high performance, but more than you need for an HTPC.
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Reyort on June 26, 2017, 06:34:34 AM
Would there be any issues ramping up either of those mechanical drives to 4th of greater?  My wife water and I want to go DVD less and we have a lot of them.
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Ari Altman on June 26, 2017, 08:38:40 AM
Would there be any issues ramping up either of those mechanical drives to 4th of greater?  My wife water and I want to go DVD less and we have a lot of them.

For storage of media like movie files, you can easily ramp up the hard drive, but you won't want to spend a lot more on the SSD, as that's not where you'd want to store movie files. I'd suggest the Western Digital Blue 4TB (http://amzn.to/2rTQxgr) for this purpose, as it offers a nice combination of speed, low noise, and GB per dollar.
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Reyort on June 26, 2017, 07:59:21 PM
Is there a particular software that you recommend to convert dvds and flu days it media files that can be watched on my pc? 
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Ari Altman on June 26, 2017, 08:38:36 PM
Is there a particular software that you recommend to convert dvds and flu days it media files that can be watched on my pc?

The most popular software is Handbrake (https://handbrake.fr/). You can also use MakeMKV (http://www.makemkv.com/) if you'll be using Plex as a media server. But I should point out that the ripping of commercial DVDs to a hard drive is technically not legal, so do so at your own risk, and definitely don't share the files with others.
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: wolf on June 28, 2017, 08:45:08 AM
Hi Ari,
good news! Everything is working fine now. I switched the M.2 with an 850 EVO SSD and it workes as it should. Now I have 2 more cables in the case but I can reach it more easily and don’t have to remove the GPU. Is there a difference between the ASATA (grey) and SATA (black) port on the MB?

How can I switch of the cpu fan LED? I turned of one option in the BIOS and didnīt use the RGB cable…I just donīt like these lights.

At the moment I am running the system at stock but I want to run at least the ram at its rated speed and maybe later after setting a better fan curve try to overclock a bit… but letīs see if I need the extra power and if I can cool it.

Building  a PC became much easier over the years but picking the right parts which work well together and will fit in the case you want is the real difficult part! The effort you spend in building and testing all those builds that we donīt have to worry about this is really priceless.
Thank you for doing such a great work and helping me with solving my problems with this build!

wolf
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Ari Altman on June 28, 2017, 09:34:19 AM
Hi Ari,
good news! Everything is working fine now. I switched the M.2 with an 850 EVO SSD and it workes as it should. Now I have 2 more cables in the case but I can reach it more easily and don’t have to remove the GPU. Is there a difference between the ASATA (grey) and SATA (black) port on the MB?

How can I switch of the cpu fan LED? I turned of one option in the BIOS and didnīt use the RGB cable…I just donīt like these lights.

At the moment I am running the system at stock but I want to run at least the ram at its rated speed and maybe later after setting a better fan curve try to overclock a bit… but letīs see if I need the extra power and if I can cool it.

Building  a PC became much easier over the years but picking the right parts which work well together and will fit in the case you want is the real difficult part! The effort you spend in building and testing all those builds that we donīt have to worry about this is really priceless.
Thank you for doing such a great work and helping me with solving my problems with this build!

wolf

Wolf,

I'm so happy to hear that the Samsung 850 Evo 1TB 2.5" (http://amzn.to/2tlepNO) worked for you. I'm glad you were able to catch it at a good price. I am, however, very concerned that two TBG readers came to the forum this week to report faulty Crucial MX300 drives. These have been the standard drives in the guides for months due to their price and availability. If I receive any additional reports of failed MX300 drives, I will need to switch all the guides to the Samsung 850 Evo, which I personally use in most of TBG's test systems. Unfortunately, they have jumped in price over the past few months, so are no longer an excellent value (unless you catch them at a good price - they are currently far more expensive in the U.S. than in Germany, interestingly).

I actually have not tested the CPU fan LED on the AMD Wraith Spire cooler, as AMD did not send me a sample with the Ryzen 7 1700 CPU I received. It sounds like you were able to shut off the LED by unplugging the power to it. That's a fine solution if the BIOS switch doesn't work.

Can you remind me which RAM you have and which motherboard you are using? The standard way to run RAM at its rated speed is to enable the XMP profile, but this is an Intel standard, so AMD motherboards call it by a different name.
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: wolf on June 29, 2017, 01:26:14 PM
Hi Ari,
my MB and Ram are:
Gigabyte AB350 Gaming 3
2*8GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200 MHz

I used the xmp profile and the system booted into windows after trying to start 3-4 times. In ryzen Master i could see that the ram was at 3200 Mhz. Is it normal that the pc needs several tries to boot. I did not run any test if it was stable and disabled the xmp profile for now.

Is it better to set the values for the ram and overclocking directliy in the bios or ryzen master. I like the idia to run the system at stock and if i need mor power i can simply activate a profile in ryzen master without going into the Bios.
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Ari Altman on June 29, 2017, 01:34:58 PM
Hi Ari,
my MB and Ram are:
Gigabyte AB350 Gaming 3
2*8GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200 MHz

I used the xmp profile and the system booted into windows after trying to start 3-4 times. In ryzen Master i could see that the ram was at 3200 Mhz. Is it normal that the pc needs several tries to boot. I did not run any test if it was stable and disabled the xmp profile for now.

Is it better to set the values for the ram and overclocking directliy in the bios or ryzen master. I like the idia to run the system at stock and if i need mor power i can simply activate a profile in ryzen master without going into the Bios.

Yes, it's typical that the system would need to restart several times. I have that board and have tested it with various memory configurations. As I didn't have 3200MHz RAM to test with, only 3000MHz, the system ran at 2933, as 3000 is not available on Ryzen.

I would leave it alone - a CPU overclock can be adjusted once you're in Windows, the memory clock should not be altered while the system is being used.
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: wolf on July 06, 2017, 12:03:58 PM
Hi Ari, just want to confirm that the ram is working fine at 3200 Mhz with the XMP Profile.
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Ari Altman on July 06, 2017, 12:15:12 PM
Hi Ari, just want to confirm that the ram is working fine at 3200 Mhz with the XMP Profile.

This is great to hear. AMD has really worked hard to push out updates to motherboard manufacturers in order to improve RAM compatibility. Running at 3200MHz on a Ryzen system is fantastic.
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Terrycagg on October 07, 2017, 06:55:46 AM
I was wondering if there is a detailed build on this exact system. Ordering parts and a bit nervous. First build, expensive. I sure I can finger it out though a detailed walk through would be a fine help!
Thanks in advance,
Terry.
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Ari Altman on October 07, 2017, 07:24:32 AM
I was wondering if there is a detailed build on this exact system. Ordering parts and a bit nervous. First build, expensive. I sure I can finger it out though a detailed walk through would be a fine help!
Thanks in advance,
Terry.

Welcome to the forum, Terry!

There is no guide for this exact build, but you can get some help from the Ryzen assembly guide (https://techbuyersguru.com/pc-builders-guides-assembling-amd-ryzen-pc-2017) and the Silverstone GD09 Case review (https://techbuyersguru.com/silverstone-gd09-atx-case-review).
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Kellyhugh on October 20, 2017, 06:05:15 PM
Help please!

I just built this PC earlier this week. Everything came together well but having issues installing windows from the USB disk. Recognizes the USB disk, asked what version of windows to install , I select either 64 or 32 and the files try to extract and then I get an error:
Windows failed to start....it is an error with file bfad1.sys error code: 0xc0000098
I googled extensively and people recommend stripping back as many items as possible so I tried disconnecting the DVD drive, larger hard drive, one stick of ram and multiple variations of this but no joy!

I am now staring at a 1200  dollar credit card bill and a big black screen!

Anyone got any suggestions?

Thanks!
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Ari Altman on October 20, 2017, 06:22:02 PM
Help please!

I just built this PC earlier this week. Everything came together well but having issues installing windows from the USB disk. Recognizes the USB disk, asked what version of windows to install , I select either 64 or 32 and the files try to extract and then I get an error:
Windows failed to start....it is an error with file bfad1.sys error code: 0xc0000098
I googled extensively and people recommend stripping back as many items as possible so I tried disconnecting the DVD drive, larger hard drive, one stick of ram and multiple variations of this but no joy!

I am now staring at a 1200  dollar credit card bill and a big black screen!

Anyone got any suggestions?

Thanks!

Welcome to the Forum, Kellyhugh. Sorry to hear you're having a bit of trouble!

After doing a quick google search myself, it seems pretty clear that there's no clear solution.

Here's what I'd suggest you do: with the system off, remove all but one stick of RAM, but leave everything else plugged in. Now when you start up from the Windows USB drive, try installing the operating system on the hard drive, not the SSD. This may help to determine whether there's a problem with the SSD configuration. If the install works, we'll just need to figure out what's wrong with the SSD setup and then reinstall the OS on there.
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Kellyhugh on October 21, 2017, 03:59:54 AM
Hi Ari,

Tried that and get the same result. I can't even get into launching the windows install to even pick a hard drive etc. when it extracts the files to start installing from USB where is it writing them to?

Separate issue but . I also tried removing the video card and just using the onboard graphics but nothing will output on hdmi...

I was going to try download the windows install ISO and burn to a cd and try to install from dvd drive instead.

What else can I do?

Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Ari Altman on October 21, 2017, 09:42:26 AM
Hi Ari,

Tried that and get the same result. I can't even get into launching the windows install to even pick a hard drive etc. when it extracts the files to start installing from USB where is it writing them to?

Separate issue but . I also tried removing the video card and just using the onboard graphics but nothing will output on hdmi...

I was going to try download the windows install ISO and burn to a cd and try to install from dvd drive instead.

What else can I do?

This could point to a memory problem. You've tried each RAM stick one at a time in every slot? I know that sounds tedious, but it's worth doing.

By the way, you can't use the video outputs on the motherboard. They are non-functional when used with a Ryzen processor.

I don't think downloading the ISO will help, as you already have a copy on USB, and I doubt very highly that it's corrupted. Maybe as a last resort before replacing parts like the RAM...
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Kellyhugh on October 21, 2017, 10:32:27 AM
Hi Ari,

Just tried that like you suggested one stick in each slot for 8 different permutations. Did not work for any of them. Also, just tried video card in different PCI slot and also burned the ISO to disk and tried that.

Nothing working! Should everything be compatible?

Hugh
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Ari Altman on October 21, 2017, 10:42:15 AM
Hi Ari,

Just tried that like you suggested one stick in each slot for 8 different permutations. Did not work for any of them. Also, just tried video card in different PCI slot and also burned the ISO to disk and tried that.

Nothing working! Should everything be compatible?

Hugh

This is not a compatibility issue. Are you using the Corsair 2x8GB DDR4-3200 kit (https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-3200MHz-Desktop-Memory/dp/B0143UM4TC/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&qid=1508607323&sr=8-1&keywords=corsair+2x8GB+vengeance+LPX+DDR4-3200+black&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=6c0f72667a08aa872fb93740a4dd60f7)? While it does not appear on the Gigabyte Memory Support List (http://www.gigabyte.us/Motherboard/GA-AB350-Gaming-3-rev-10#support-doc), the 8-stick version of the kit does. For whatever reason, Gigabyte chose to list the largest configuration of that kit, even though the board only has 4 sticks.

In any event, a memory compatibility issue would prevent two or four sticks from running at their rated speed, it would not prevent the OS from installing. I've installed Windows onto a system using this motherboard and a variety of memory sticks, and never had this issue, nor have any other readers who have built this system.

It may be worth making a call to Microsoft for installation support. You have a full retail version. They may be able to tell you what the error code means. As far as I can tell from your description of the problem, it's occurring before disk access is even required, i.e., while decompressing the flash drive contents. This would go to memory, not the disks.
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Kellyhugh on October 21, 2017, 11:21:08 AM
Yes,

That's the memory i bought. I got everything from the build list exactly. I will try Microsoft and see what they say.

Could I try install Linux or something to rule out any hardware issues?

Hugh
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Ari Altman on October 21, 2017, 02:43:01 PM
Yes,

That's the memory i bought. I got everything from the build list exactly. I will try Microsoft and see what they say.

Could I try install Linux or something to rule out any hardware issues?

Hugh

Actually, that's a really good idea. As long as you don't mind taking a bit of extra time to test it out, go ahead and try to install Linux Ubuntu (https://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop).

The only hardware configuration issue I can think of is that the M.2 drive isn't being properly read, but as you described it, this error is occurring before you even get to select a drive. Since Linux isn't actually the OS you want to use, how about you remove the M.2 drive from the motherboard and just try to see if Linux will install on the hard drive. If it will not, then we do have to consider a memory issue. By the way, through all this testing, use just one stick of RAM in the second slot away from the CPU.
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Kellyhugh on October 22, 2017, 09:05:35 AM
Hi Ari,

Tried the Linux ubuntu install. I burned the ISO to a dvd on my other pc  and tried rebooting with one stick of ram and the m2 ssd disconnected.
When I try to boot, sounds like it is reading the disk and then I get the message reboot and select proper boot device or insert boot media in selected boot device and press a key.

Any thoughts?

Hugh
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Ari Altman on October 22, 2017, 10:26:50 AM
Hi Ari,

Tried the Linux ubuntu install. I burned the ISO to a dvd on my other pc  and tried rebooting with one stick of ram and the m2 ssd disconnected.
When I try to boot, sounds like it is reading the disk and then I get the message reboot and select proper boot device or insert boot media in selected boot device and press a key.

Any thoughts?

Hugh

OK, so it sounds like your system is not reading the drives. With the system off, reinstall the M.2 drive, and then go into your UEFI BIOS (tapping delete while booting), and check whether the UEFI registers your drives as available. This will be under the "Chipset" menu.
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Kellyhugh on October 22, 2017, 11:11:07 AM
Hi ari,
Lists all the Drives there: 3tb drive under data port 0, blue ray drive under data port 1 and the SSD under SATA port 3.
Iommu is set to auto, sata is ahci

Is there a hard reset or something I can try?

Hugh
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Ari Altman on October 22, 2017, 12:41:14 PM
OK, so that seems to be working fine.

Back to the Linux install, you mentioned that the PC told you to insert boot media. That actually sounds like it didn't find the DVD install disc, and that you may need to change the boot priority to DVD first to ensure that the Linux disc is read.

Try that again, as I'm just not convinced yet that this is a hardware issue. The data drives are registering, and if this were a serious RAM issue, the system wouldn't boot at all.
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Kellyhugh on October 22, 2017, 01:14:40 PM
Ok,

So a little bit of progress. Decided to use the windows install disk I created yesterday again. Manages to pull up the windows icon and reads the disk for a few minutes. Then I get blue Recovery screen and the error code: Unexpected I/O error 0xc00000e9

This is a different code to before and I am past a black screen so i am calling it progress.

Hugh
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Kellyhugh on October 22, 2017, 02:17:53 PM
Ok, reburned the Linux disk. Booted from it and reads from the disk for a long time....eventually transitions to a black screen with keyboard and man logo. Then I get lines appearing every few minutes saying
EDD: Error 0400 reading sector 770658 is the first one and then the last 6 digits change every time it populates a new line.

Hugh
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Ari Altman on October 22, 2017, 02:39:44 PM
Sounds like you really do have a hardware issue. One last ditch effort: unplug the hard drive and try installing both OSes to your M.2 drive. If that doesn't work, remove the M.2 drive, and try installing both OSes to your hard drive again. If neither works, I'd say you actually have a motherboard issue, and it may be worth exchanging it (a pain, I know, since you have to disassemble the whole thing).

Now, there is a slight chance that this is a RAM issue, so if you really wanted to play it safe, you could return that and get a very basic kit just to try installing your OS with. This 1x4GB Crucial Ballistix DDR4-2666  (https://www.amazon.com/Ballistix-Single-PC4-21300-288-Pin-Memory/dp/B01N6QJEBM/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1508708243&sr=1-5&keywords=crucial+ddr4-2400+4gb&th=1&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=34b6a0be67443ae02fd6f61b783fcc1c)is guaranteed to work. It's moderately-clocked, single-ranked, and a single stick of course. It has to boot, no questions asked. And since it's sold direct from Amazon, it can be easily returned if you get the other memory to work.
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Kellyhugh on October 22, 2017, 04:42:57 PM
Thanks Ari,

Glad we are getting somewhere. I've initiated the motherboard return. New one should arrive from amazon in a few days. The memory I bought from bestbuy and noticed this evening that they only allow 15 days for return so I brought that back as on my last few days  and got a replacement ordered just to make sure. This will arrive Wednesday. Would you still recommend ordering that basic ram from amazon?

Question, when switching out the motherboard, do I need to put new thermal paste on the CPU and cooler?

Thanks for all your quick replies,

Hugh
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Ari Altman on October 22, 2017, 08:39:22 PM
Thanks Ari,

Glad we are getting somewhere. I've initiated the motherboard return. New one should arrive from amazon in a few days. The memory I bought from bestbuy and noticed this evening that they only allow 15 days for return so I brought that back as on my last few days  and got a replacement ordered just to make sure. This will arrive Wednesday. Would you still recommend ordering that basic ram from amazon?

Question, when switching out the motherboard, do I need to put new thermal paste on the CPU and cooler?

Thanks for all your quick replies,

Hugh

You should have it covered with the replacement motherboard and RAM. The fast RAM isn't necessary, but it will certainly work.

And yes, you would be better off with new thermal paste, although you can probably get by if you're able to remove the CPU cooler and then the CPU without actually wiping the thermal paste off. As a backup, you can buy Noctua NT-H1 (https://www.amazon.com/Noctua-NT-H1-Thermal-Compound-Retail/dp/B002CQU14A/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1508729945&sr=1-1&keywords=noctua+NT-H1&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=4304895acfef96669328392b7cd30ec2).
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Kellyhugh on October 25, 2017, 04:02:50 PM
Hi Ari,

So I installed new motherboard and replacement ram and the same issue so must be a compatibility issue. What alternates would you recommend. The one currently on the build page has a long lead time from amazon so other options would be great.

Thanks,

Hugh
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Kellyhugh on October 25, 2017, 04:12:06 PM
Or if there was something from bestbuy that worked as I will be returning to there.

Thanks,

Hugh
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Ari Altman on October 25, 2017, 05:29:01 PM
Or if there was something from bestbuy that worked as I will be returning to there.

Thanks,

Hugh

This kit (https://www.bestbuy.com/site/corsair-vengeance-lpx-2-pack-8gb-ddr4-dram-desktop-memory-kit-black/4895508.p?skuId=4895508).

It's on the Gigabyte support list (http://www.gigabyte.us/Motherboard/GA-AB350-Gaming-3-rev-10#support-doc):

Quote
CORSAIR 8GB 2Rx8 CMK16GX4M2A2666C16 DS 16-18-18-35 1.2v v v v v 2133

I'm going to be honest with you though. The failure of the Windows installer to run does not point to a memory compatibility issue. Memory compatibility leads to things like a failure to boot, or bluescreens. I still think a call to Microsoft would be helpful if you haven't done that yet.

As I've mentioned, I run the exact motherboard you have, and when I've attempted to use memory that isn't compatible, it simply goes into a boot loop.
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Kellyhugh on October 26, 2017, 04:36:24 AM
Thanks ari,

I've been talking to Microsoft and they referred it to tier 2 support. They will call later today again. Piece I can't get my head around though is that Linux wouldn't install either.

What else could it be with a new motherboard and new memory?

Hugh
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Ari Altman on October 26, 2017, 07:55:47 AM
Thanks ari,

I've been talking to Microsoft and they referred it to tier 2 support. They will call later today again. Piece I can't get my head around though is that Linux wouldn't install either.

What else could it be with a new motherboard and new memory?

Hugh

Hugh,

I've been giving this some more thought as well. Yes, that Linux issue is troubling, but from your description, I can't quite tell if it's getting stuck for the same reason. Linux issues are not something I follow at all. Did the Linux installer even start up? Based on what you saw, did it seem to be getting stuck mid-process or before it ever loaded?

You have definitely taken all the most obvious trouble-shooting steps. Replaced the motherboard, replaced the RAM, and tried two different drives (one M.2 SSD, one hard drive attached via a SATA cable, which ruled out issues with a port or cable).

There are just three other components left in the computer to examine: the video card, the power supply, and the video card. Of these, I think we can rule out the video card, as it is clearly providing an image, and wouldn't have any role in an OS installation. Similarly, it's unlikely the PSU could cause this problem, as it's powering up the system just fine, and if there were a power regulation problem, it wouldn't strike at the exact same point every time (at least not when you're well within the power output range of the unit). I've been able to trigger PSU failures consistently when hitting 800W power draw, even on a 1000W unit, but your system is probably drawing no more than 75W even during the installation process, and you have a 550W unit.

That leaves us with one potential culprit: the CPU. While a bad (or damaged) CPU would typically fail to boot, there is one thing that occurred to me: the OS installation is failing every time at the point where it begins decompressing, which is when the CPU would first be stressed. There could be some errata that worked its way into the production process (or during installation) that is rendering the CPU partially compromised and unable to execute intense operations. This would be an extremely rare situation, but it is possible.

If neither the third RAM kit nor the Microsoft support line get you past this OS installation issue, I'd look at the CPU next. I wouldn't blame you, however, for returning the whole thing. Obviously this hasn't been a very positive experience.
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Kellyhugh on October 26, 2017, 05:11:47 PM
Yes,

Hopefully Microsoft call me later. I will try the new ram but it won't be here until this day next week. And I am running very close to the end date for returning items.

As an FYI, In the bios, with the current ram it is showing as 8192MB and running at a frequency of 2145MHz. This seems low for the stick that is 3200MHz right?

Hugh
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Ari Altman on October 26, 2017, 09:49:01 PM
Yes,

Hopefully Microsoft call me later. I will try the new ram but it won't be here until this day next week. And I am running very close to the end date for returning items.

As an FYI, In the bios, with the current ram it is showing as 8192MB and running at a frequency of 2145MHz. This seems low for the stick that is 3200MHz right?

Hugh

Yes, that RAM is working exactly as designed. To run it at 3200MHz, you actually have to manually select that speed. That's why incompatibility is very unlikely - it's currently running like standard 2133MHz RAM.

More curious is the 8192MB figure - do you have two sticks inserted? If so, the BIOS should report that you have 16,384MB. Can you list all the Memory data provided in the "popout" panel on the right side of the BIOS?

If one of the sticks isn't functioning correctly, it could certainly cause problems with your OS installation. The most common reason for RAM failure, by the way, is not faulty RAM, but an issue with the installation, i.e., it's not fully inserted.
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Kellyhugh on October 27, 2017, 06:12:26 AM
Hi Ari,

Sorry I should have said I only put in one stick of RAM for the OS install just to make sure and replicate the last few tests we did.

Got a call from Microsoft and he couldn't really do anything over the phone. He scheduled me with an appointment at local Microsoft store tomorrow. I need tot ale along the computer to them and see. Perhaps they have some other hardware there where they can help troubleshoot.

Hugh
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Ari Altman on October 27, 2017, 07:50:02 AM
Hi Ari,

Sorry I should have said I only put in one stick of RAM for the OS install just to make sure and replicate the last few tests we did.

Got a call from Microsoft and he couldn't really do anything over the phone. He scheduled me with an appointment at local Microsoft store tomorrow. I need tot ale along the computer to them and see. Perhaps they have some other hardware there where they can help troubleshoot.

Hugh

Well, that's something I've never thought of - a trip to the Microsoft store! I'll leave it up to you on whether to go, but perhaps they will have some insights. They should certainly have a few sticks of RAM to try.

And thanks for clarification on your RAM setup.
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Kellyhugh on October 31, 2017, 05:37:09 PM
Ok Ari,

So I now have a working PC.... I left it in to Microsoft store on saturday. They asked me to leave it with them as there was a wait and I just got it back this evening. The lady told me on the phone that they had to switch the graphics card to the PCIEX4 slot to get it to install. Told me I should switch back to PCIEX16 for best performance. I just did that now and still boots up.

All looking good! Does this make sense to you? Do you think it is an issue with the graphics card that I should try switch to something else befor my return date ends?

Thanks,
Hugh
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Ari Altman on October 31, 2017, 06:46:13 PM
Ok Ari,

So I now have a working PC.... I left it in to Microsoft store on saturday. They asked me to leave it with them as there was a wait and I just got it back this evening. The lady told me on the phone that they had to switch the graphics card to the PCIEX4 slot to get it to install. Told me I should switch back to PCIEX16 for best performance. I just did that now and still boots up.

All looking good! Does this make sense to you? Do you think it is an issue with the graphics card that I should try switch to something else befor my return date ends?

Thanks,
Hugh

Well, what do you know? The techs at Microsoft figured it out! The video card is a very standard-issue GTX 1050, which should have no problem running in a PCIe 3.0 x16 slot. Have you actually switched it to that slot to see if the system works? I would have blamed the motherboard slot, but this is the replacement, right? Getting two motherboards both with bad slots is basically impossible.

What may be happening is that part of the video card's PCIe slot connector has been damaged - the part that interfaces with the longer x16 slot. When running in the x4 slot, many of the tabs on the video card's circuit board simply aren't used, which would mask any problem they have.

So that's my theory at least - definitely see if it works in that longer slot, and if it doesn't, the video card is likely physically damaged and should be exchanged. There's nothing wrong with that particular model, though, so you can just get the same one in return. But if it works, I'd go ahead and keep it, and we'll chalk this one up to experience!
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Kellyhugh on October 31, 2017, 06:51:30 PM
Tried it in both slots and working from both...

It's a strange one but glad to have something working now at least....now the fun of getting it all set up...

Thanks for all your help and quick replies!

Hugh
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Kellyhugh on October 31, 2017, 07:04:47 PM
When I search now for my error and graphics card I get the following link that people remove the graphics card and get it to install.

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/insider/forum/insider_wintp-insider_install-insiderplat_pc/installing-windows-10-failed-and-i-receive-error/eef1c042-28c1-46ff-9b16-cae34d6ddcf1?auth=1
Hugh
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Ari Altman on October 31, 2017, 08:00:27 PM
When I search now for my error and graphics card I get the following link that people remove the graphics card and get it to install.

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/insider/forum/insider_wintp-insider_install-insiderplat_pc/installing-windows-10-failed-and-i-receive-error/eef1c042-28c1-46ff-9b16-cae34d6ddcf1?auth=1
Hugh

It actually looks like this problem happens with a lot of video cards. I have never experienced it, including with this motherboard. I doubt there's an issue with the video card, as there's nothing unusual about it.

This is one drawback of Ryzen not having integrated graphics, though, and it forces the user to add one more failure point before OS installation.
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: razzman3872 on November 08, 2017, 02:35:14 AM
Is there a step by step guide to build this HTPC? I dont mean the few links that you have on the case and CPU... . Is there a step by step guide ? I have purchased the components and have assembled the PC. I have power but it does not boot up, i don't even get to the BIOS screen ..I have tried looking for information on here and other sites but no luck ,any suggestions ? I am eager to see this baby in action.. much appreciation for any help
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Ari Altman on November 08, 2017, 07:43:35 AM
Is there a step by step guide to build this HTPC? I dont mean the few links that you have on the case and CPU... . Is there a step by step guide ? I have purchased the components and have assembled the PC. I have power but it does not boot up, i don't even get to the BIOS screen ..I have tried looking for information on here and other sites but no luck ,any suggestions ? I am eager to see this baby in action.. much appreciation for any help

There is no step-by-step guide for the current buyer's guide, as part selections change every month.

As for getting your system started up, a few trouble-shooting steps will probably help. You say that you can't get to the BIOS screen, but do have power (typically shown by fans turning, lights on). There are three most likely causes:

(1) RAM sticks are not fully inserted. Remove both sticks, and reinsert only one stick in the second slot away from the CPU, making sure to snap it down firmly on both ends.
(2) the video card may not be properly connected. This system will not run without a video card. Make sure it is fully inserted into the slot. It does not require power connectors (f you're using the GTX 1050), so that is not an issue. But you must connect your monitor cable to the back of the video card, not the motherboard, which has non-functional video outputs.
(3) The power supply cables may not be properly attached to the motherboard. There are two that must be connected: the large 24-pin connector next to the RAM, and the 4+4-pin connector above the CPU. That is a two-piece connector that must be inserted together.

Report back on whether this helps.
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: razzman3872 on November 12, 2017, 11:26:47 AM
Thank you for your reply and assistance, I am happy to report I got it up and running ... still not sure exactly what solved it but Its working.. Man this things flies ... and so quite.. thank you again for your hard work.
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Ari Altman on November 12, 2017, 02:51:27 PM
Thank you for your reply and assistance, I am happy to report I got it up and running ... still not sure exactly what solved it but Its working.. Man this things flies ... and so quite.. thank you again for your hard work.

Glad to hear you got it working. A failure to boot is typically caused by a small, easy to fix issue, although trust me, I've been there, and I know it can be a bit stressful!
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: razzman3872 on November 26, 2017, 08:50:49 PM
could you recommend a video capture card for this pc? i would like to run my cable tv through the pc so i don't have to switch inputs on the tv... is this the way to do it or do you have any suggestions.. thanks again for your help
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Ari Altman on November 26, 2017, 09:02:28 PM
could you recommend a video capture card for this pc? i would like to run my cable tv through the pc so i don't have to switch inputs on the tv... is this the way to do it or do you have any suggestions.. thanks again for your help

It sounds like you just want to watch live TV on your PC, but all TV tuner and video capture cards are designed to do much more, such as actually recording cable TV (like a DVR). One good option is the Hauppauge Colossus 2 (https://www.amazon.com/Hauppauge-Colossus-Express-Internal-HD-PVR/dp/B00WMJMDG6/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&qid=1511758439&sr=8-6&keywords=happauge&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=949adae0038c823a4cab060d6a95888f). Note that you need HDMI out on your cable box (coax won't work with the Colossus 2).
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: razzman3872 on November 27, 2017, 10:47:57 PM
the biggest thing i would like to do is access my DVR , or use a DVR ,  I have spectrum and while I can watch live pc, but nu ability to pause or record the tv. I looked into a sling box but it doesn't work with spectrum.. and i do belive the spectrum bow has a coax as the input but the out put is hdmi
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Ari Altman on November 28, 2017, 07:33:02 AM
the biggest thing i would like to do is access my DVR , or use a DVR ,  I have spectrum and while I can watch live pc, but nu ability to pause or record the tv. I looked into a sling box but it doesn't work with spectrum.. and i do belive the spectrum bow has a coax as the input but the out put is hdmi

Yup, then you want that Colossus 2 (https://www.amazon.com/Hauppauge-Colossus-Express-Internal-HD-PVR/dp/B00WMJMDG6/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1511883142&sr=1-2&keywords=Colossus+2&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=a85084bb5595da66080a6495ebff5991). Just make sure your Spectrum cable box has an HDMI output.
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: geneatwell on January 23, 2018, 09:57:23 AM

Ari,

After a couple of months of use and integrating the HTPC into my new home theater setup, I'll update where I am with it and where I'd like to go with everything.
I've transferred all media content to the HTPC and subscribed to Plex but haven't yet spent much time streaming due to too many other things which have taken priority.  However, the overall HTPC system has integrated wonderfully into the new home theater setup in all aspects and the movies have been wonderfully displayed from the HTPC.  With the exception of the Logitech keyboard and the Happauge remote.  It's not the amount of time that each glacially responds, it's the fact that they both randomly don't respond at all and require a reboot of the HTPC.  Completely unexpected and I've taken both out of the system and connected a USB mouse and keyboard which work wonderfully without the need to reboot.  I just have the wires to deal with as I cannot get the HTPC to recognize a wireless MAC bluetooth mouse or keyboard. Does this system (GIGABYTE GA-AB350-Gaming 3 AMD RYZEN AM4 B350) have an independent bluetooth capability or do I need to add that?
Which is a segue into my next question.  Is there any system you'd recommend which will integrate a screen (Ipad, Samsung, anything) into a smart home control system which will control the HTPC, WinTV Quad HD Tuner, home theater and smart home features?  The closest thing I've found is the high end logitech harmony but I'm not sure it will handle Windows 10 and the tuner.  Is the Echo Show capable of doing Windows 10 and everything on the HTPC?  I have the FLIRC USB module but haven't had time to integrate that yet.
Did I mention smart home?  Another jumping off point.  Your site is my go to place for everything I've done since the purchase and building of the HTPC. My basement has undergone dramatic changes fitting my house around the HTPC and not the other way around.  Now I'm going to replace the lighting in the home theater and with the drop ceiling already in place, I want to replace the overpowering and non-dimmable fluorescent lighting with smart bulb technology which will be able to integrate with future movies that incorporate such lighting into the movie as well as day to day lighting for the home theater.  I will use the home theater as a jumping off point and experimental testbed for making the rest of the house smart.  Your recommendations of the Wink Hub 2 are where I plan to go but I need some guidance on the actual lighting.  It seems recessed cans would be preferable over the commercial electric LED downlights because I'd be able to use the SYLVANIA SMART+ ZigBee Full Color RT 5/6 Recessed Lighting Kit along with a light or two for task lighting at certain seats in the home theater. Please educate me whether I've misinterpreted your presentations and recommendations.
Thanks again, Ari, as this site is unbeatable,
Gene
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Ari Altman on January 23, 2018, 06:37:32 PM

Ari,

After a couple of months of use and integrating the HTPC into my new home theater setup, I'll update where I am with it and where I'd like to go with everything.
I've transferred all media content to the HTPC and subscribed to Plex but haven't yet spent much time streaming due to too many other things which have taken priority.  However, the overall HTPC system has integrated wonderfully into the new home theater setup in all aspects and the movies have been wonderfully displayed from the HTPC.  With the exception of the Logitech keyboard and the Happauge remote.  It's not the amount of time that each glacially responds, it's the fact that they both randomly don't respond at all and require a reboot of the HTPC.  Completely unexpected and I've taken both out of the system and connected a USB mouse and keyboard which work wonderfully without the need to reboot.  I just have the wires to deal with as I cannot get the HTPC to recognize a wireless MAC bluetooth mouse or keyboard. Does this system (GIGABYTE GA-AB350-Gaming 3 AMD RYZEN AM4 B350) have an independent bluetooth capability or do I need to add that?
Which is a segue into my next question.  Is there any system you'd recommend which will integrate a screen (Ipad, Samsung, anything) into a smart home control system which will control the HTPC, WinTV Quad HD Tuner, home theater and smart home features?  The closest thing I've found is the high end logitech harmony but I'm not sure it will handle Windows 10 and the tuner.  Is the Echo Show capable of doing Windows 10 and everything on the HTPC?  I have the FLIRC USB module but haven't had time to integrate that yet.
Did I mention smart home?  Another jumping off point.  Your site is my go to place for everything I've done since the purchase and building of the HTPC. My basement has undergone dramatic changes fitting my house around the HTPC and not the other way around.  Now I'm going to replace the lighting in the home theater and with the drop ceiling already in place, I want to replace the overpowering and non-dimmable fluorescent lighting with smart bulb technology which will be able to integrate with future movies that incorporate such lighting into the movie as well as day to day lighting for the home theater.  I will use the home theater as a jumping off point and experimental testbed for making the rest of the house smart.  Your recommendations of the Wink Hub 2 are where I plan to go but I need some guidance on the actual lighting.  It seems recessed cans would be preferable over the commercial electric LED downlights because I'd be able to use the SYLVANIA SMART+ ZigBee Full Color RT 5/6 Recessed Lighting Kit along with a light or two for task lighting at certain seats in the home theater. Please educate me whether I've misinterpreted your presentations and recommendations.
Thanks again, Ari, as this site is unbeatable,
Gene

Hey there, Gene - glad to hear you're happy with your HTPC overall.

There are a lot of questions here, so let me start with the first: the keyboard and remote. Can you specify which models you're using? Your system does not have built-in bluetooth (very few motherboards include that feature), so if you wanted to use Bluetooth peripherals, you'd need to add a receiver. But honestly, proprietary wireless is usually better, especially Logitech's, so we should be able to get it working.

The closest thing I can think of for control of your PC via smartphone is an app that comes bundled with Cyberlink Power DVD (https://www.amazon.com/Cyberlink-DVD-EH00-RPU0-00-PowerDVD-17-Ultra/dp/B071QX3LDR/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&qid=1516760805&sr=8-2&keywords=Cyberlink+Power+DVD&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=858f32cc3453bb1482b37d5d1e32f655). If you're watching any disc-based material, that's a package you'd want anyway. But it doesn't have Smart Home, and actually if you already have a Logitech Harmony Ultimate (https://www.amazon.com/Harmony-Ultimate-Remote-Control-Black/dp/B00BQ5RY1G/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=audio-video-accessories&ie=UTF8&qid=1516760875&sr=1-6&keywords=Logitech+Harmony&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=baf9e61393056d7448f61887afc1db77), that's actually what you'd want to use. And when used in combination with the FLIRC USB receiver (https://www.amazon.com/FLIRC-Generation-Universal-Control-Receiver/dp/B01MS2V7GM/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1516760940&sr=1-2&keywords=FLIRC+USB+receiver&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=5c2153574e0a0316e9698bda28aec2d9), it will indeed control your PC.

So, in short, I think you just need to tinker a bit more with what you already have before you go buying more gear!

Now, as for your Smart Home lighting, the Commercial Electric Downlights (https://www.amazon.com/Commercial-Electric-Recessed-Zigbee-Downlight/dp/B013OCF2EY/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1516761063&sr=1-1&keywords=Commercial+electric+smart+downlight&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=77660ef5300ecc6bfffe67b49ae617bd) are a much more cost-effective solution that the Sylvania Smart+ Color kit (https://www.amazon.com/SYLVANIA-Recessed-Lighting-SmartThings-Assistant/dp/B01HF2CJUY/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1516761014&sr=1-2&keywords=SYLVANIA+SMART++ZigBee+Full+Color+RT+5/6+Recessed+Lighting+Kit&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=6216206ad16554b8c08ffd8133cc3efe). Note that the links above are to Amazon, but Commercial Electric products are much easier to find in stock at Home Depot (https://www.homedepot.com/p/Commercial-Electric-Wink-Compatible-and-Dimmable-5-6-in-White-LED-Smart-Color-Tunable-2700K-Warm-White-to-5000K-Daylight-Recessed-Trim-53166161/206029900). The Sylvania products offer RGB colors, but unless you really need that, the Commercial Electric's tunable color temperature should probably be enough in terms of customization. You can absolutely mix and match brands when using the Wink Hub 2 (https://www.amazon.com/Wink-WNKHUB-2US-Hub-2/dp/B01KW8WGZQ/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1516761388&sr=1-1&keywords=Wink+Hub+2&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=b81bed6d68c13b3563e1027ce6fedfb2), so there's no reason to stick to Sylvania recessed lights just to use its bulbs for task lighting.
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: htpc123 on March 16, 2018, 02:08:16 PM
Hey - I built a minor variation of this PC (upped the graphics to give it a bit more oomph), and it's been working great except that I regularly see the BSOD when I start up the PC.  It then restarts and works normally.  I'll also get the BSOD sometimes during operation (though less frequently), and again it will restart and work normally afterward.  I'm running Windows 10 and the error is usually "What failed - MEMORY MANAGEMENT" but sometimes I'll see something else similar but not identical, i.e. "What failed - NTFS.sys".  I've tried updating all drivers, following instructions from a few "So you've got BSOD" type articles online, but with no luck.  Wondering if there's some insight on here?

The build:

GIGABYTE GA-AB350-Gaming 3 AMD RYZEN AM4 B350 RGB Fusion Smart Fan 5 HDMI1.4 M.2 SATA 6Gbps USB 3.1 Type-A ATX DDR4 Motherboard (https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-GA-AB350-Gaming-Fusion-HDMI1-4-Motherboard/dp/B06VWHXK94/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&qid=1521258106&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=GIGABYTE+GA-AB350-Gaming+3+AMD+RYZEN+AM4+B350+RGB+Fusion+Smart+Fan+5+HDMI1.4+M.2+SATA+6Gbps+USB+3.1+Type-A+ATX+DDR4+Motherboard&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=e9aca53e70730cef19ab03ee9aa88fed)

AMD Ryzen 5 1600X Processor (YD160XBCAEWOF) (https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-1600X-Processor-YD160XBCAEWOF/dp/B06XKWT7GD/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1521258127&sr=1-1-spons&keywords=AMD+Ryzen+5+1600X+Processor+(YD160XBCAEWOF)&psc=1&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=834c39866c613e922d14c9aa1fe84df8)

Noctua NH-L9x65 SE-AM4 premium-grade low-profile CPU cooler for AMD AM4 (https://www.amazon.com/Noctua-NH-L9x65-SE-AM4-premium-grade-low-profile/dp/B01N27QWFA/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1521258187&sr=1-1&keywords=Noctua+NH-L9x65+SE-AM4+premium-grade+low-profile+CPU+cooler+for+AMD+AM4&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=66a878c95c367f01174f6b70140b6ab9)

Crucial MX300 525GB M.2 (2280) SATA 6.0Gb/s Internal Solid State Drive (CT525MX300SSD4) (https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-MX300-525GB-NAND-Internal/dp/B01L80DH4G/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1521258148&sr=1-1-fkmr0&keywords=Crucial+MX300+525GB+M.2+(2280)+SATA+6.0Gb/s+Internal+Solid+State+Drive+(CT525MX300SSD4)&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=61b4eedb29fd695de8b7b99301164d4b)

Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4 2666 (PC4-21300) C16 1.2V for AMD Ryzen and Intel 200 - Black - CMK16GX4M2Z2666C16 (https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-PC4-21300-Ryzen-Intel/dp/B06XRDVY76/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1521258165&sr=1-1&keywords=Corsair+Vengeance+LPX+16GB+(2+x+8GB)+DDR4+2666+(PC4-21300)+C16+1.2V+for+AMD+Ryzen+and+Intel+200+-+Black+-+CMK16GX4M2Z2666C16&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=ff9c8d721c492f009bddc052140d8558)

ASUS GeForce GTX 1060 6GB Dual-fan OC Edition VR Ready Dual HDMI DP 1.4 Gaming Graphics Card (DUAL-GTX1060-O6G) (https://www.amazon.com/GeForce-Dual-fan-Gaming-Graphics-DUAL-GTX1060-O6G/dp/B01JHQT1SE/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1521258223&sr=8-1&keywords=ASUS+GeForce+GTX+1060+6GB+Dual-fan+OC+Edition+VR+Ready+Dual+HDMI+DP+1.4+Gaming+Graphics+Card+(DUAL-GTX1060-O6G)&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=7cde2266f32db4fcde444c37b2770afb)

EVGA SuperNOVA 550 G3, 80 Plus Gold 550W, Fully Modular, Eco Mode with New HDB Fan, 7 Year Warranty, Includes Power ON Self Tester, Compact 150mm Size, Power Supply 220-G3-0550-Y1 (https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-SuperNOVA-Modular-Warranty-220-G3-0550-Y1/dp/B01LWTS2UL/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1521258205&sr=8-1&keywords=EVGA+SuperNOVA+550+G3,+80+Plus+Gold+550W,+Fully+Modular,+Eco+Mode+with+New+HDB+Fan,+7+Year+Warranty,+Includes+Power+ON+Self+Tester,+Compact+150mm+Size,+Power+Supply+220-G3-0550-Y1&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=7ef048e761486c759e422b74f2680e01)

Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Ari Altman on March 16, 2018, 08:48:39 PM
Hey - I built a minor variation of this PC (upped the graphics to give it a bit more oomph), and it's been working great except that I regularly see the BSOD when I start up the PC.  It then restarts and works normally.  I'll also get the BSOD sometimes during operation (though less frequently), and again it will restart and work normally afterward.  I'm running Windows 10 and the error is usually "What failed - MEMORY MANAGEMENT" but sometimes I'll see something else similar but not identical, i.e. "What failed - NTFS.sys".  I've tried updating all drivers, following instructions from a few "So you've got BSOD" type articles online, but with no luck.  Wondering if there's some insight on here?

The build:

GIGABYTE GA-AB350-Gaming 3 AMD RYZEN AM4 B350 RGB Fusion Smart Fan 5 HDMI1.4 M.2 SATA 6Gbps USB 3.1 Type-A ATX DDR4 Motherboard (https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-GA-AB350-Gaming-Fusion-HDMI1-4-Motherboard/dp/B06VWHXK94/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&qid=1521258106&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=GIGABYTE+GA-AB350-Gaming+3+AMD+RYZEN+AM4+B350+RGB+Fusion+Smart+Fan+5+HDMI1.4+M.2+SATA+6Gbps+USB+3.1+Type-A+ATX+DDR4+Motherboard&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=e9aca53e70730cef19ab03ee9aa88fed)

AMD Ryzen 5 1600X Processor (YD160XBCAEWOF) (https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-1600X-Processor-YD160XBCAEWOF/dp/B06XKWT7GD/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1521258127&sr=1-1-spons&keywords=AMD+Ryzen+5+1600X+Processor+(YD160XBCAEWOF)&psc=1&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=834c39866c613e922d14c9aa1fe84df8)

Noctua NH-L9x65 SE-AM4 premium-grade low-profile CPU cooler for AMD AM4 (https://www.amazon.com/Noctua-NH-L9x65-SE-AM4-premium-grade-low-profile/dp/B01N27QWFA/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1521258187&sr=1-1&keywords=Noctua+NH-L9x65+SE-AM4+premium-grade+low-profile+CPU+cooler+for+AMD+AM4&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=66a878c95c367f01174f6b70140b6ab9)

Crucial MX300 525GB M.2 (2280) SATA 6.0Gb/s Internal Solid State Drive (CT525MX300SSD4) (https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-MX300-525GB-NAND-Internal/dp/B01L80DH4G/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1521258148&sr=1-1-fkmr0&keywords=Crucial+MX300+525GB+M.2+(2280)+SATA+6.0Gb/s+Internal+Solid+State+Drive+(CT525MX300SSD4)&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=61b4eedb29fd695de8b7b99301164d4b)

Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4 2666 (PC4-21300) C16 1.2V for AMD Ryzen and Intel 200 - Black - CMK16GX4M2Z2666C16 (https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-PC4-21300-Ryzen-Intel/dp/B06XRDVY76/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1521258165&sr=1-1&keywords=Corsair+Vengeance+LPX+16GB+(2+x+8GB)+DDR4+2666+(PC4-21300)+C16+1.2V+for+AMD+Ryzen+and+Intel+200+-+Black+-+CMK16GX4M2Z2666C16&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=ff9c8d721c492f009bddc052140d8558)

ASUS GeForce GTX 1060 6GB Dual-fan OC Edition VR Ready Dual HDMI DP 1.4 Gaming Graphics Card (DUAL-GTX1060-O6G) (https://www.amazon.com/GeForce-Dual-fan-Gaming-Graphics-DUAL-GTX1060-O6G/dp/B01JHQT1SE/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1521258223&sr=8-1&keywords=ASUS+GeForce+GTX+1060+6GB+Dual-fan+OC+Edition+VR+Ready+Dual+HDMI+DP+1.4+Gaming+Graphics+Card+(DUAL-GTX1060-O6G)&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=7cde2266f32db4fcde444c37b2770afb)

EVGA SuperNOVA 550 G3, 80 Plus Gold 550W, Fully Modular, Eco Mode with New HDB Fan, 7 Year Warranty, Includes Power ON Self Tester, Compact 150mm Size, Power Supply 220-G3-0550-Y1 (https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-SuperNOVA-Modular-Warranty-220-G3-0550-Y1/dp/B01LWTS2UL/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1521258205&sr=8-1&keywords=EVGA+SuperNOVA+550+G3,+80+Plus+Gold+550W,+Fully+Modular,+Eco+Mode+with+New+HDB+Fan,+7+Year+Warranty,+Includes+Power+ON+Self+Tester,+Compact+150mm+Size,+Power+Supply+220-G3-0550-Y1&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=7ef048e761486c759e422b74f2680e01)

Thanks in advance!

Welcome to the TBG Forum, htpc123!

All of those parts are definitely compatible, so it's a matter of doing some trouble-shooting to figure out why you're getting bluescreens. You say you're getting BSOD at startup. Can you be more specific? Does it bluescreen sometime between when you see the Windows logo appear and when you'd arrive at the start screen? If so, that's almost certainly a driver issue. Bluescreens before Windows even begins to load would indicate a hardware instability, and bluescreens during operation can be a number of things, including application instability.

Just to confirm, are you running everything at stock settings? You might try updating the firmware on the motherboard, which will not only ensure that you have all the latest bug fixes, but will also clear any manual settings that could be causing an issue.

You might also try running just one stick of RAM. It's possible you have a bad stick of memory, but the NTFS.sys error points to a disk error, so it seems something else might be causing both.
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: htpc123 on March 20, 2018, 11:11:07 AM
Thanks for the response! I tried updating the motherboard's firmware/BIOS, but I seem to still be getting blue screens.  I am running everything at stock settings.

As more context, the BSODs most commonly they occur after bootup and before Windows starts.  The reason given on screen does also seem to vary.  The most recent BSOD I saw read "Kernel Security Check Failure". 

Hey - I built a minor variation of this PC (upped the graphics to give it a bit more oomph), and it's been working great except that I regularly see the BSOD when I start up the PC.  It then restarts and works normally.  I'll also get the BSOD sometimes during operation (though less frequently), and again it will restart and work normally afterward.  I'm running Windows 10 and the error is usually "What failed - MEMORY MANAGEMENT" but sometimes I'll see something else similar but not identical, i.e. "What failed - NTFS.sys".  I've tried updating all drivers, following instructions from a few "So you've got BSOD" type articles online, but with no luck.  Wondering if there's some insight on here?

The build:

GIGABYTE GA-AB350-Gaming 3 AMD RYZEN AM4 B350 RGB Fusion Smart Fan 5 HDMI1.4 M.2 SATA 6Gbps USB 3.1 Type-A ATX DDR4 Motherboard (https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-GA-AB350-Gaming-Fusion-HDMI1-4-Motherboard/dp/B06VWHXK94/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&qid=1521258106&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=GIGABYTE+GA-AB350-Gaming+3+AMD+RYZEN+AM4+B350+RGB+Fusion+Smart+Fan+5+HDMI1.4+M.2+SATA+6Gbps+USB+3.1+Type-A+ATX+DDR4+Motherboard&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=e9aca53e70730cef19ab03ee9aa88fed)

AMD Ryzen 5 1600X Processor (YD160XBCAEWOF) (https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-1600X-Processor-YD160XBCAEWOF/dp/B06XKWT7GD/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1521258127&sr=1-1-spons&keywords=AMD+Ryzen+5+1600X+Processor+(YD160XBCAEWOF)&psc=1&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=834c39866c613e922d14c9aa1fe84df8)

Noctua NH-L9x65 SE-AM4 premium-grade low-profile CPU cooler for AMD AM4 (https://www.amazon.com/Noctua-NH-L9x65-SE-AM4-premium-grade-low-profile/dp/B01N27QWFA/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1521258187&sr=1-1&keywords=Noctua+NH-L9x65+SE-AM4+premium-grade+low-profile+CPU+cooler+for+AMD+AM4&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=66a878c95c367f01174f6b70140b6ab9)

Crucial MX300 525GB M.2 (2280) SATA 6.0Gb/s Internal Solid State Drive (CT525MX300SSD4) (https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-MX300-525GB-NAND-Internal/dp/B01L80DH4G/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1521258148&sr=1-1-fkmr0&keywords=Crucial+MX300+525GB+M.2+(2280)+SATA+6.0Gb/s+Internal+Solid+State+Drive+(CT525MX300SSD4)&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=61b4eedb29fd695de8b7b99301164d4b)

Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4 2666 (PC4-21300) C16 1.2V for AMD Ryzen and Intel 200 - Black - CMK16GX4M2Z2666C16 (https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-PC4-21300-Ryzen-Intel/dp/B06XRDVY76/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1521258165&sr=1-1&keywords=Corsair+Vengeance+LPX+16GB+(2+x+8GB)+DDR4+2666+(PC4-21300)+C16+1.2V+for+AMD+Ryzen+and+Intel+200+-+Black+-+CMK16GX4M2Z2666C16&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=ff9c8d721c492f009bddc052140d8558)

ASUS GeForce GTX 1060 6GB Dual-fan OC Edition VR Ready Dual HDMI DP 1.4 Gaming Graphics Card (DUAL-GTX1060-O6G) (https://www.amazon.com/GeForce-Dual-fan-Gaming-Graphics-DUAL-GTX1060-O6G/dp/B01JHQT1SE/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1521258223&sr=8-1&keywords=ASUS+GeForce+GTX+1060+6GB+Dual-fan+OC+Edition+VR+Ready+Dual+HDMI+DP+1.4+Gaming+Graphics+Card+(DUAL-GTX1060-O6G)&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=7cde2266f32db4fcde444c37b2770afb)

EVGA SuperNOVA 550 G3, 80 Plus Gold 550W, Fully Modular, Eco Mode with New HDB Fan, 7 Year Warranty, Includes Power ON Self Tester, Compact 150mm Size, Power Supply 220-G3-0550-Y1 (https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-SuperNOVA-Modular-Warranty-220-G3-0550-Y1/dp/B01LWTS2UL/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1521258205&sr=8-1&keywords=EVGA+SuperNOVA+550+G3,+80+Plus+Gold+550W,+Fully+Modular,+Eco+Mode+with+New+HDB+Fan,+7+Year+Warranty,+Includes+Power+ON+Self+Tester,+Compact+150mm+Size,+Power+Supply+220-G3-0550-Y1&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=7ef048e761486c759e422b74f2680e01)

Thanks in advance!

Welcome to the TBG Forum, htpc123!

All of those parts are definitely compatible, so it's a matter of doing some trouble-shooting to figure out why you're getting bluescreens. You say you're getting BSOD at startup. Can you be more specific? Does it bluescreen sometime between when you see the Windows logo appear and when you'd arrive at the start screen? If so, that's almost certainly a driver issue. Bluescreens before Windows even begins to load would indicate a hardware instability, and bluescreens during operation can be a number of things, including application instability.

Just to confirm, are you running everything at stock settings? You might try updating the firmware on the motherboard, which will not only ensure that you have all the latest bug fixes, but will also clear any manual settings that could be causing an issue.

You might also try running just one stick of RAM. It's possible you have a bad stick of memory, but the NTFS.sys error points to a disk error, so it seems something else might be causing both.
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Ari Altman on March 20, 2018, 11:42:25 AM
OK, this is starting to sound like a driver issue. Bluescreens during boot occur when a driver fails to load properly. If you had a true hardware failure, you wouldn't get into the Windows loading screen.

Have you installed the AMD chipset driver? It's a huge (>1GB) download). Also, just in case, pull out one stick of memory to eliminate RAM issues to the extent possible.
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: htpc123 on March 20, 2018, 12:53:32 PM
OK, this is starting to sound like a driver issue. Bluescreens during boot occur when a driver fails to load properly. If you had a true hardware failure, you wouldn't get into the Windows loading screen.

Have you installed the AMD chipset driver? It's a huge (>1GB) download). Also, just in case, pull out one stick of memory to eliminate RAM issues to the extent possible.

I'll try that. Not sure I've downloaded the AMD chipset driver you're referring to... I haven't found any chipset driver downloads that big.
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Ari Altman on March 20, 2018, 01:15:26 PM
OK, this is starting to sound like a driver issue. Bluescreens during boot occur when a driver fails to load properly. If you had a true hardware failure, you wouldn't get into the Windows loading screen.

Have you installed the AMD chipset driver? It's a huge (>1GB) download). Also, just in case, pull out one stick of memory to eliminate RAM issues to the extent possible.

I'll try that. Not sure I've downloaded the AMD chipset driver you're referring to... I haven't found any chipset driver downloads that big.

Check this Gigabyte website page (https://www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/GA-AB350-Gaming-3-rev-1x#support-dl) for chipset driver options on the Gigabyte B350 Gaming 3 (https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-GA-AB350-Gaming-Fusion-HDMI1-4-Motherboard/dp/B06VWHXK94/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&qid=1521576873&sr=8-1&keywords=Gigabyte+B350+Gaming+3&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=60389200a945f5ef50ea74762c8e2ef9). The newest version is actually smaller than the previous 1.26GB version. You can probably use either - the larger version is what is installed on TBG's test system.
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: htpc123 on March 20, 2018, 01:26:03 PM
OK, this is starting to sound like a driver issue. Bluescreens during boot occur when a driver fails to load properly. If you had a true hardware failure, you wouldn't get into the Windows loading screen.

Have you installed the AMD chipset driver? It's a huge (>1GB) download). Also, just in case, pull out one stick of memory to eliminate RAM issues to the extent possible.

I'll try that. Not sure I've downloaded the AMD chipset driver you're referring to... I haven't found any chipset driver downloads that big.

Check this Gigabyte website page (https://www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/GA-AB350-Gaming-3-rev-1x#support-dl) for chipset driver options on the Gigabyte B350 Gaming 3 (https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-GA-AB350-Gaming-Fusion-HDMI1-4-Motherboard/dp/B06VWHXK94/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&qid=1521576873&sr=8-1&keywords=Gigabyte+B350+Gaming+3&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=60389200a945f5ef50ea74762c8e2ef9). The newest version is actually smaller than the previous 1.26GB version. You can probably use either - the larger version is what is installed on TBG's test system.

Thanks - I'll give this a try when I get a chance and let you know how it goes.
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: geneatwell on April 23, 2018, 03:46:18 PM

Hey there, Gene - glad to hear you're happy with your HTPC overall.

There are a lot of questions here, so let me start with the first: the keyboard and remote. Can you specify which models you're using? Your system does not have built-in bluetooth (very few motherboards include that feature), so if you wanted to use Bluetooth peripherals, you'd need to add a receiver. But honestly, proprietary wireless is usually better, especially Logitech's, so we should be able to get it working.

The closest thing I can think of for control of your PC via smartphone is an app that comes bundled with Cyberlink Power DVD (https://www.amazon.com/Cyberlink-DVD-EH00-RPU0-00-PowerDVD-17-Ultra/dp/B071QX3LDR/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&qid=1516760805&sr=8-2&keywords=Cyberlink+Power+DVD&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=858f32cc3453bb1482b37d5d1e32f655). If you're watching any disc-based material, that's a package you'd want anyway. But it doesn't have Smart Home, and actually if you already have a Logitech Harmony Ultimate (https://www.amazon.com/Harmony-Ultimate-Remote-Control-Black/dp/B00BQ5RY1G/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=audio-video-accessories&ie=UTF8&qid=1516760875&sr=1-6&keywords=Logitech+Harmony&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=baf9e61393056d7448f61887afc1db77), that's actually what you'd want to use. And when used in combination with the FLIRC USB receiver (https://www.amazon.com/FLIRC-Generation-Universal-Control-Receiver/dp/B01MS2V7GM/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1516760940&sr=1-2&keywords=FLIRC+USB+receiver&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=5c2153574e0a0316e9698bda28aec2d9), it will indeed control your PC.

So, in short, I think you just need to tinker a bit more with what you already have before you go buying more gear!

Now, as for your Smart Home lighting, the Commercial Electric Downlights (https://www.amazon.com/Commercial-Electric-Recessed-Zigbee-Downlight/dp/B013OCF2EY/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1516761063&sr=1-1&keywords=Commercial+electric+smart+downlight&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=77660ef5300ecc6bfffe67b49ae617bd) are a much more cost-effective solution that the Sylvania Smart+ Color kit (https://www.amazon.com/SYLVANIA-Recessed-Lighting-SmartThings-Assistant/dp/B01HF2CJUY/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1516761014&sr=1-2&keywords=SYLVANIA+SMART++ZigBee+Full+Color+RT+5/6+Recessed+Lighting+Kit&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=6216206ad16554b8c08ffd8133cc3efe). Note that the links above are to Amazon, but Commercial Electric products are much easier to find in stock at Home Depot (https://www.homedepot.com/p/Commercial-Electric-Wink-Compatible-and-Dimmable-5-6-in-White-LED-Smart-Color-Tunable-2700K-Warm-White-to-5000K-Daylight-Recessed-Trim-53166161/206029900). The Sylvania products offer RGB colors, but unless you really need that, the Commercial Electric's tunable color temperature should probably be enough in terms of customization. You can absolutely mix and match brands when using the Wink Hub 2 (https://www.amazon.com/Wink-WNKHUB-2US-Hub-2/dp/B01KW8WGZQ/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1516761388&sr=1-1&keywords=Wink+Hub+2&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=b81bed6d68c13b3563e1027ce6fedfb2), so there's no reason to stick to Sylvania recessed lights just to use its bulbs for task lighting.

Ari,
I've been tinkering again with my HTPC and this is now where I am.  I'll ignore the lighting questions in the quote above because that's not where I'm concentrating and the keyboard and mouse are almost completely unnecessary with what I've learned so far.  However, below will show you where I now need assistance.

My system is Windows 10 using a GeForce GTX 1050 display adapter with output via HDMI to an A/V receiver.

The windows 10 system is as unreliable as any I've used.  By that I mean that when I try to use the Power DVD 17 or Plex to play movies contained on the Western Digital WDC60, I don't ever know whether there will be sound or not.  When there is no sound, I need to reboot the computer 3 to 8 times while doing nothing else to eventually regain the sound. Very irritating.  Any ideas about that?  I thought it had to do with Windows wanting to update itself, but that's not the case exclusively although that is the cause at times.

The system (A/V box, computer and projector) will display HDR and Cyberlink's Power DVD 17 offers to utilize that at times and then it switches the display to HDR and it's a noticeable improvement.  However, when I go back to just the Windows Desktop after I close the DVD software, I have to access the settings->Display->"HDR and advanced color" page and turn off the HDR because the screen is unreadable in the HDR mode.  Additionally, Power DVD 17 does not always offer to use the HDR option so my questions are these: 1. Why does HDR not turn off or on automatically with Power DVD 17? 2. Why is the Desktop text unreadable (resolution at the Windows' recommended 3840X2160) in the HDR mode and not with HDR turned off?

I'm using a Harmony 650 and Flirc and both are working together just fine.  Response time is no problem and teaching Flirc using newly created buttons on the 650 is easy and functional especially with Ctrl-Alt combinations to launch programs and websites on the Windows' desktop using keyboard shortcuts.  However, I'm having problems controlling the Power DVD software using the Harmony 650 Cyberlink DVD default keypad.  Is there another Cyberlink option I'm missing for the 650 which is compatible instead of the Cyberlink DVD keypad I'm using?  Also, I taught the 650 software to use the two large arrow keys between the Menu/Exit and Info/Guide keys to utilize the Page Up and Page Down keys on the Flirc Keyboard and those keys do multiple pages at a time instead of just a single page.  I've taken a look at the Cyberlink Keyboard shortcuts and it's not helping.

Additionally, I have the Happauge 1609 WinTV Quad HD tuner and I'm attempting to use the Hauppauge DVR keypad with the Harmony 650 and there isn't a single key which is defined and I'm curious whether that is the correct keypad for that tuner?  The Happauge website for keyboard shortcuts is also not very complete as there's no way to select anything but a single tuner and I cannot for the life of me figure out how to go to the Menu->Four Tuner PIP using a keyboard shortcut nor does the Hauppauge remote control allow that to happen either.

So, is there anyplace to find answers to these questions?

Thanks again Ari,

Gene
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Ari Altman on April 24, 2018, 10:51:58 PM
Gene,

I really don't have answers to these questions, other than the one on HDR - what PowerDVD is doing to replicate HDR from non-HDR material, which what I assume you're watching, causes artifacts in fonts, etc., meaning it's hard to read your screen. Do you have an HDR-capable TV? Unless you have that plus either HDR streaming content or HDR 4K discs, you're not seeing true HDR.

In terms of the audio issues, this is probably due to having multiple audio devices connected to your system. I would suggest double-checking whether the PC is attempting to send audio via HDMI, for example. THis is one of the challenges of using a PC as a home theater device - you sometimes need to manually manage the audio devices.
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: geneatwell on April 25, 2018, 07:45:20 AM
Ari,
Again, thanks for taking the time to respond.  I'll keep hacking away.
Gene
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: bigkid on May 28, 2018, 04:42:21 AM
Hi Ari.

Thanks very much for the timely article on this HTPC Build. Just what I was looking for :-) This will be the second PC I have put together, so I am a bit of a novice and I have a couple of queries.

I will be using this unit for HTPC duties only, no gaming. But I will want it to handle whatever video and audio that I might to throw at it, including 4K video files and video from ultra HD Blu-rays. I’ll be upgrading the optical disc player in the build to the Pioneer BDR-211EBK 16x Internal Blu-Ray Writer for the Ultra Blu-Rays (and any other media on optical disc). But I was wondering about the on-board graphics with the Ryzen 5 2400G, which you the suggest as an alternative for the build and therefore perhaps eliminating the need for a separate video card. You make some positive comments about this processor. But, assuming I have the necessary software, do you think it is sufficient to provide glitch free 4K and ultra HD Blu-ray without a discrete video card? Or, will I need the card?

Also, in regard to the memory, a subject which is totally beyond me 😊, I can get the Corsair 8GB (2x4GB) DDR4 3000MHz Vengeance for the same price here in Australia as the 3200MHz version. Is there any advantage in going with the faster memory?

Thanks again.

Cheers,

Allan
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Ari Altman on May 28, 2018, 05:01:48 AM
Hi Ari.

Thanks very much for the timely article on this HTPC Build. Just what I was looking for :-) This will be the second PC I have put together, so I am a bit of a novice and I have a couple of queries.

I will be using this unit for HTPC duties only, no gaming. But I will want it to handle whatever video and audio that I might to throw at it, including 4K video files and video from ultra HD Blu-rays. I’ll be upgrading the optical disc player in the build to the Pioneer BDR-211EBK 16x Internal Blu-Ray Writer for the Ultra Blu-Rays (and any other media on optical disc). But I was wondering about the on-board graphics with the Ryzen 5 2400G, which you the suggest as an alternative for the build and therefore perhaps eliminating the need for a separate video card. You make some positive comments about this processor. But, assuming I have the necessary software, do you think it is sufficient to provide glitch free 4K and ultra HD Blu-ray without a discrete video card? Or, will I need the card?

Also, in regard to the memory, a subject which is totally beyond me 😊, I can get the Corsair 8GB (2x4GB) DDR4 3000MHz Vengeance for the same price here in Australia as the 3200MHz version. Is there any advantage in going with the faster memory?

Thanks again.

Cheers,

Allan

Welcome to the forum Allan!

Good questions you have. The easy one is the memory - the memory choice is pretty simple, get whichever is cheaper or in stock. They perform nearly identically.

In terms of the UHD player, things are more complicated. There are serious content restrictions that make playing UHD discs very difficult on a PC. As far as I know, you cannot use a Ryzen processor, but honestly, I'm no longer closely following the latest updates on UHD access on PC, as it was just too restrictive to recommend. I'd suggest you stick to an Intel processor, but I believe you'll need to use something higher than a Pentium, as again there are content restrictions. I'd suggest you look at the FAQ for use of the Pioneer drive. I wouldn't worry about built-in video not being handle video playback. That's not going to be an issue.
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: bigkid on May 28, 2018, 06:51:05 PM
Thanks Ari. Appreciate the advice. I'll have a bit of a think on it and look into the Intel options. It may be that UHD is too hard at the moment and waiting might be a better option. Cheers, Allan
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: geneatwell on July 16, 2018, 01:22:01 PM
Ari,
At the bottom is a list of what I've installed as a result of your hard work and this amazing website to build my HTPC which is connected via HDMI to a Dolby Atmos capable Marantz 8802A Network A/V Pre amp (http://us.marantz.com/us/products/pages/ProductDetails.aspx?CatId=avseparates&ProductId=AV8802A (http://us.marantz.com/us/products/pages/ProductDetails.aspx?CatId=avseparates&ProductId=AV8802A)).  All software /firmware is up to date and there are no hardware conflicts of any sort on the computer.
The Harmony remote has been trained to perform the following activites:
1. turn my Win-TV Tuner and all associated devices on and off to view OTA broadcasts,
2. turn my plex app in windows and all associated devices on and off to watch downloaded movies,
3. turn the PowerDVD software for viewing downloaded movies and all associated devices on and off,
4. turn the radio tuner and all associated devices to listen to radio stations on and off,
5. turn the Windows screen to view Youtube and all associated devices on and off,
6. turn the Windows Screen to view Amazon Prime movies and all associated devices on and off
These are all accomplished through the USB FLIRC using shortcuts and other magic associated with FLIRC which allows key mapping to control all devices while they are on from the Harmony Remote. I mention this because I'm not a neophyte when it comes to software or computers and I'm very comfortable with the command line on a MAC, Windows or Linux computer.

Way cool, except I cannot convince the Windows 10 software to communicate to the Marantz in any multi-channel conversation other than stereo.  The two choices I have for Windows Playback devices are the Digital Audio (S/PDIF) (High Definition Audio Device) which doesn't use HDMI and the Marantz-AVR (High Definition Audio Device) which only sends a stereo two channel signal or a stereo surround signal through HDMI. It used to send a 5.1 signal and other signals besides stereo, but no longer.
 
I've installed Dolby Atmos for Windows 10 in an attempt to fix the problem and after extensive discussions with Dolby Techs and multiple install/uninstall iterations of the Dolby Access app for Windows 10, the best we could manage was to configure the PC Spatial Sound Format of Windows for Dolby Atmos using either "Windows Sonic for Headphones" or "Dolby Atmos for Headphones", but no option for "Dolby Atmos for Home Theater" is displayed.  (I use the computer for movies and not games so the headphone options are not of any use.) Dolby suggested the problem was with Windows 10 (like they didn't know?) and today I phoned Microsoft.
 
Gary, the phone tech I reached at Microsoft, said the problem was caused by a recent windows 10 upgrade which can only be fixed by rolling back to a previous version of Windows 10. However, since my update is more than 21 days old, that's not now possible. His admission was only after he very thoroughly searched the computer remotely to find any other reason to not own up to why it wasn't working properly looking at memory, software, storage, legal copy of Windows, configurations, hardware, etc..  Again, Gary, the microsoft help desk rep, acknowledged it was the current version of Windows 10 which is causing the problem and he had the gall to ask whether I'd want to pay Microsoft to fix their sound issue created by their most recent update which is exacerbated by artificially stopping all abilities to return to an earlier windows version to a randomly chosen 21 days.  Being a responsible upgrade citizen in the Microsoft world is not a good place to hedge your bets.

Separately, each time I turn on the Marantz to watch movies or TV, I have to reboot the computer because Windows often doesn't recognize the Marantz until it's been rebooted (I keep the HTPC on 24/7 for access from multiple sources) and sometimes it takes multiple reboots.  On the occasions where it does recognize the Marantz as a sound option, it won't send any signal to the speakers which also requires a reboot or two.  So, I've got this wonderfully capable HTPC, again, thanks to your hard work, and another perfectly capable Dolby Atmos Pre Amp, but no way for the two of them to talk via HDMI except in Stereo as a direct result of Microsofts' latest update to Windows 10.

Sorry for the rant, but would you have any workarounds to send multi-channel HDMI sound signals from Windows 10 before I install Linux on this HTPC?

Thanks,
Gene


1. Cyberlink PowerDVD 16 Ultra upgraded to 17
2. LG Electronics 14x SATA Blu-ray Internal Rewriter without Software
3. WD 6TB Blue Desktop Hard Disk Drive 5400RPM SATA 6Gb s 64MB Cache Model WD60EZRZ
4. AMD Ryzen 5 1600 Processor with Wraith Spire Cooler
5. Gigabyte Geforce GTX 1050 2GB GDDR5 128 Bit PCI-E Graphic Card
6. Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 DRAM 3000MHz C15 Desktop Memory Kit
7. SilverStone Technology Grandia Series Aluminum HTPC Computer Case for ATX / SSI-CEB
8. GIGABYTE GA-AB350-Gaming 3 AMD RYZEN AM4 B350 M.2 SATA 6Gbps USB 9. 3.1 Type-A ATX DDR4 Motherboard
10. HAUPPAUGE WinTV-quadHD PCI Express TV Tuner Card 1609
11. FLIRC USB (2nd Generation) Universal Remote Control Receiver for Media Centers and Set Top Boxes
12. 2 of ARCTIC F12 PWM Rev.2 - Standard Low Noise PWM Controlled Case Fan
13. Crucial MX300 525GB M.2 (2280) Internal Solid State Drive
14. EVGA SuperNOVA 550 G3, 80 Plus Gold 550W, Fully Modular, Eco Mode with New HDB Fan
15. Creative Sound Blaster Zx PCIe Gaming Sound Card
16. Microsoft Windows 10 Home USB Flash Drive
17. Logitech Harmony 650 Infrared All in One Remote Control
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Ari Altman on July 16, 2018, 01:30:24 PM
Gene,

If you still have your original Windows install media (likely a thumb drive), you can reinstall Windows from scratch and you'll return to an older version of Windows. Based on what you're saying, it sounds like the system generally worked to your satisfaction before the Windows 10 update was rolled out. Just make sure you shut off auto-updates.

The other issue you mention, needing to reboot the PC when you turn on your AV, is a pretty common issue relating to how the HDMI handshake (copy protection) works. I often have that with my own HTPC hooked up through a Pioneer AV. There's probably one handshake status for AV on, and another for off (likely pass-through). I'm not sure why it would take 3-4 reboots, but yes, one reboot is probably the norm.
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: geneatwell on August 08, 2018, 07:46:55 PM
Ari,
I want to thank you once again for all of your help with Windows, the build recommendations and encouragement along the way. 
I've been running a dual boot Linux/Windows HTPC with the parts I ordered from your website and sent you the build photos about.  The 5.1 issue has gone away completely on the Linux side of the house and I'll stick with Linux from here on out.  I'll keep the Windows Operating System until I need the space for something else. 
I've been using everything described in my initial build and have not had to replace anything nor re-install Windows (dodged a big bullet there) and I'll now have complete control over the Linux side of things.

Gene
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Ari Altman on August 08, 2018, 09:51:01 PM
Ari,
I want to thank you once again for all of your help with Windows, the build recommendations and encouragement along the way. 
I've been running a dual boot Linux/Windows HTPC with the parts I ordered from your website and sent you the build photos about.  The 5.1 issue has gone away completely on the Linux side of the house and I'll stick with Linux from here on out.  I'll keep the Windows Operating System until I need the space for something else. 
I've been using everything described in my initial build and have not had to replace anything nor re-install Windows (dodged a big bullet there) and I'll now have complete control over the Linux side of things.

Gene

Gene,

Thanks for reporting back on your success using Linux. Which version of Linux did you install? Were there any challenges along the way that others might want to know about? Amazing to hear that Linux has better audio support than Windows 10!
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Peo on October 12, 2018, 10:54:37 PM
Hi Ari and everyone,

I'm about to build one of these and have few questions to the forum:

1. Has anyone used Kodi Linux build?
2. Can't find that memory in my country, and as you mentioned Ari it's better if it's single channel - how can I determine that?
3. I would like to stick 10Tb on SSD M.2 only, any tips on achieving that?

Thank you,
Peo
Title: Re: TBG's High-End Home Theater PC Buyer's Guide
Post by: Ari Altman on October 13, 2018, 08:46:20 AM
Hi Ari and everyone,

I'm about to build one of these and have few questions to the forum:

1. Has anyone used Kodi Linux build?
2. Can't find that memory in my country, and as you mentioned Ari it's better if it's single channel - how can I determine that?
3. I would like to stick 10Tb on SSD M.2 only, any tips on achieving that?

Thank you,
Peo

Welcome, Peo!

There are several forum users who have used Kodi/Linux for an HTPC build, but none have mentioned it recently. That being said, a forum member was quite active a few days ago talking about his Kodi/Windows build, so you might post in this thread (https://techbuyersguru.com/forum/index.php?topic=27.msg6369#msg6369) to see if you can ask him some question about Kodi generally, if you'd like.

The memory you want is "single rank," not "single channel." It's a bit frustrating that there are so many similar terms we now have to keep track of, I know! The two manufacturers that have the broadest selection of clearly-labeled single-rank RAM are Kingston HyperX and Crucial Ballistix. You could also go with a Ryzen-specific G.Skill Flare X RAM kit, if they're available in your country.

In terms of 10TB of M.2 storage, you're slightly ahead of the industry there! The largest M.2 drives today are 2TB, with the leading contenders being the Samsung 970 Evo PCie (https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-970-EVO-2TB-MZ-V7E2T0BW/dp/B07C8Y31G1/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1539443746&sr=1-3&keywords=2tb+m.2+ssd&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=1eea948bb1e3c3342ce51b7d2541b08b&language=en_US) and Samsung 860 Evo SATA (https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-860-SATA-Internal-MZ-N6E2T0BW/dp/B07822SVMS/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1539443746&sr=1-4&keywords=2tb+m.2+ssd&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=f454de9dc22d7c0f3c3a8ed06c5491fd&language=en_US) drives. While you could use two SilverStone EMC22 SATA/PCIe adapters (https://www.amazon.com/SilverStone-Technology-SST-ECM20-Adapter-ECM20/dp/B075ZNWS9Y/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1539444008&sr=1-3&keywords=m.2+pcie+adapter&th=1&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=61cc4e089666a23b59cffb4b636fb385&language=en_US) to add another three 2TB drives (the ECM22 supports one PCIe drive and one SATA drive with a jumper cable), I wouldn't recommend it, as it will limit the number of other expansion cards you can use. Just pick up one each of the 970 Evo and 860 Evo M.2 drives (the Gigabyte X470 Ultra Gaming has one PCIe/SATA slot and one PCIe-only slot), and then add two 860 Evo 4TB 2.5" drives (https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Inch-Internal-MZ-76E4T0B-AM/dp/B07864XY8B/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1539443933&sr=1-2&keywords=4tb+860+evo&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=b586ac0503776cb05831387a443a1036&language=en_US). That will take you to 12TB.