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Title: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on March 04, 2014, 01:45:35 PM
Here's the thread to discuss the "$1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build" on The Tech Buyer's Guru.

The original article can be found here (http://techbuyersguru.com/1500build.php).

Feel free to start your own threads to discuss your personal builds in this category!
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on May 18, 2014, 09:08:18 AM
We recently received the following question from a TBG reader:

"I'm new to building my own computer and have been checking out your $1500
gaming build. Everything in it sounds perfect for what I'm looking for
except the case. How do I choose a case that is still compatible with all
the components of the $1500 build? Is it just an issue of size and space,
or are there other factors? Do you have a list of cases, even more
expensive ones, that would also work?

I would like the case to be a mid tower, but just have a little more style
to it. I'm not too concerned with having it light up or anything like that,
but maybe more color options and less of a straight forward rectangular
look."


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Here's the response we sent to our reader, which we hope others will find helpful too:

"First off, you can see some of the best cases on the market by viewing the
"slideshow" in the right-hand column of the Build Guide (http://www.techbuyersguru.com/1500build.php) page.

To answer your question directly, things can be a bit more complicated
than just size. Any ATX format case should in theory work for the $1500
build ("ATX" specifies 7-slot motherboards and power supplies of a certain
dimension), but the truth is that not all cases will work. There are a
number of constraints, including:

(1) the size of the video card,
(2) the size of the CPU cooler, and
(3) the cooling requirements of the video card and CPU.

The final consideration is of course the builder's style preferences. Now, style can be very personal, but
here are three highly-rated cases that are both stylish and functional (and honestly great deals too):

(1) The NZXT Phantom 410 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007QQ4638/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B007QQ4638&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=43ELLNMK4BQ4SWV6)

Awesome "Stormtrooper" style, great features, available in a number of
colors. Amazon only has graphite in stock, but you can also get a few
other colors at Newegg. I've pulled them together for you at this link (http://www.jdoqocy.com/click-7120282-10446076?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newegg.com%2FProduct%2FProductList.aspx%3FSubmit%3DENE%26N%3D4808%25208000%26IsNodeId%3D1%26Description%3Dphantom%2520410%26name%3DNewegg%26Order%3DBESTMATCH).

(2) The Corsair Carbide 500R (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005E983JW/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B005E983JW&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=FJUEBUMCLKKRFES2).

Available in black or white, similar in size to the Phantom, but with a
more "professional" look.

Just a tip - the follow-up to the 500R is the cube-shaped Air 540 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00H8JLM94/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00H8JLM94&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=UPTL4PGJPSX34UIF).  It's very
different, and maybe it will appeal to you:

(3) The NZXT H440 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00I44EUAK/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00I44EUAK&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=7VYVVQWS6ORQBIQ5).

This brand-new case is really wild - it might look like a standard case,
but it's very cutting-edge. It drops all external drive bays, so you can't
install a DVD burner, but it adds a wall of fans behind the sleek front
panel, plus a clean interior with a shroud for the power supply, which
completely hides the cables. It also has edge lighting inside to provide a
cool display of the internals. To get around the lack of DVD drive mounts,
you could buy this external drive (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DBV28TG/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00DBV28TG&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=EQOZC653FVHVRVS2)."
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on June 27, 2014, 11:41:04 AM
Ready to build your own High-End PC, but looking for a step-by-step guide to walk you through the process? Then check out TBG's new Guide to Assembling a High-End PC (http://techbuyersguru.com/highendpictorial.php). It should answer just about all your questions!
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on January 07, 2015, 10:40:27 AM
We recently received an e-mail from a reader who had put together the High-End Gaming PC and ran into a few problems getting the system to boot up. We thought we'd walk through the symptoms and the resolution for everyone's benefit. Here's the e-mail, edited for brevity:

"So, it seems I've run into a problem.... I received all of the parts for my build and have carefully assembled my PC, but I'm unable to get a display to show up when I power it on.

I'm not sure if this is something you'll be able to identify, but here are the details:

- All fans and LEDs turn on and seem perfectly functional (including those on the GPU, case, and CPU).

- A few seconds after powering on there is a single short beep from the motherboard speaker. (Beep codes Seemed to indicate that meant successful POST, but I'm not sure since I can't find the official list)

- No display on monitor (I tried connecting to a TV with HDMI cable, and a pretty old monitor with a screw in connection....)

- I don't believe any parts were damaged by static electricity, I was careful and did not notice a shock of any kind during assembly.

I tried re-seating the RAM, but that didn't change anything. I also tried removing one of the sticks of RAM and booting up, but that didn't have an effect either.

Any advice on what I should try next?"


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After working through a trouble-shooting checklist with the builder, we identified two issues, both of which were resolved with a few simple changes:

(1) The builder had plugged the VGA cable into the motherboard out, rather than the video card's out. While the motherboard in theory should have been able to auto-detect the use of the on-board video, in this case it didn't. Simply switching to HDMI and plugging it into the video card solved this problem.

(2) But the system still wouldn't boot - and this is where a minor hardware problem was identified. It turns out that the normal procedure of installing two RAM sticks in the second and fourth slots away from the CPU (technically DIMM slots A2 and B2) didn't work. Eventually, the builder was able to get the system to POST with one stick in A2, adjust some RAM settings, and then got a POST with sticks in A2 and B2.

Alas, the issue was not solved - the system only recognized one DIMM! Checking each DIMM separately revealed that the issue was not the RAM sticks. Ultimately, we discovered that this builder's particular board didn't have fully-functioning A2 and B2 slots, but that installing the RAM in slots A1 and B1 worked perfectly. He was then able to POST, install the OS, and get full access to all of his installed RAM. Mission accomplished!
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on April 24, 2015, 10:29:52 AM
We recently received an e-mail from a reader asking about the cooling setup of the $1,500 High-End Gaming Build. We provided an explanation for our component picks, and hopefully our response will be helpful to others as well:

Here's the original question:

"During assembly i had an issue with the Thermalright true spirit 140bw Rev A fan (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00O6AEQNW/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00O6AEQNW&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=IB7SXM52HEGYJCZG). It was pretty big and had to remove the fan on the side panel of the Blackhawk case (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004K4TEA4/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B004K4TEA4&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=3I76KELKDE7IPQXM). I wanted to ask if this is smart move to remove the side fan since it's blowing air in the direction of the cpu."

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And here's our response:

"The truth is that you're much better off with a high-end cooler like the Thermalright in the system than a lower-end cooler and the side fan. The reason is that the side fan actually disrupts the natural flow of air, which is from front to back and bottom to top. It's definitely useful if using the stock Intel cooler, but when you move up to a tower cooler, it serves little purpose, even if it could fit.

We're putting together a CPU cooler comparison article and have just tested the Thermalright Macho (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00PKJ21LW/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00PKJ21LW&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=CCFNVES7PYLFYIFW), which is a close cousin of the True Spirit. These are simply fantastic coolers, far superior to 120mm coolers that might be able to squeeze under that side fan. We've had to remove side fans even when using the comparatively small Cooler Master Hyper 212 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005O65JXI/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B005O65JXI&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=AWZV3YSZM3AUZR3L), which isn't even in the same class as the Thermalrights, so it's likely that that the Rosewill case fan would need to be removed with any tower cooler. Just keep it around as a spare or for another build - that way it won't go to waste."
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: HPzota on May 25, 2015, 08:59:55 AM
Greetings,

I have been reading the site for a few months and finally gathered the courage to build my own system, my very first one. I decided to follow the May 2015 High-End 1500 build. (In hindsight, I should had started with a $500 build).

So I bought everything, tried to follow the building guides the best I could, and to make a long story short, I can see lights and fans moving, but the screen tells me the system can not boot. On the boot menu I can see the names of both SSD and HDD. I just get a black screen saying select proper boot location or something like that.

On a happy note, all that SSD set up was done by default when I tried to do it. :)

What should be the first things to check before freaking out and running to a computer store?

Thanks in advance.

HPzota
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on May 25, 2015, 02:56:24 PM
Greetings,

I have been reading the site for a few months and finally gathered the courage to build my own system, my very first one. I decided to follow the May 2015 High-End 1500 build. (In hindsight, I should had started with a $500 build).

So I bought everything, tried to follow the building guides the best I could, and to make a long story short, I can see lights and fans moving, but the screen tells me the system can not boot. On the boot menu I can see the names of both SSD and HDD. I just get a black screen saying select proper boot location or something like that.

On a happy note, all that SSD set up was done by default when I tried to do it. :)

What should be the first things to check before freaking out and running to a computer store?

Thanks in advance.

HPzota

Welcome to the TBG forum, and congratulations on building your first system! First things first, don't freak out! You're already way ahead of most first time builders.

It sounds like what you need to do is set the boot priority of your drives so that the DVD drive is the first option. Make sure of course that it's plugged in and that you can open it when the system is powered on. If it's set as the first boot drive and your Windows disc is in the drive, the system will automatically begin loading the operating system, allowing you to select your SSD as the OS drive.

If you need more help, just post here and I'll get back to you as soon as possible.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: HPzota on May 25, 2015, 06:28:49 PM
I am happy to announce that I am posting this reply from my new High-End gaming PC.  ;D

Ari,

Your reply helped me think calmly and clearly. I opened the case and it clicked right away... I had power on the DVD unit, but failed to connect it to the MB. (noob error, D'oh!)

Everything seems to be running pretty well, EXCEPT... I'm unable to find the HDD and I am working off the SSD, which is ok, since it is supposed to house the OS and the games, right? Anyways, I am downloading my favorite game right now, WoT (not to be confused with Wow) and I can't wait to see how it looks all maxed out!

Thanks for this fantastic site!
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on May 25, 2015, 08:03:23 PM
I am happy to announce that I am posting this reply from my new High-End gaming PC.  ;D

Ari,

Your reply helped me think calmly and clearly. I opened the case and it clicked right away... I had power on the DVD unit, but failed to connect it to the MB. (noob error, D'oh!)

Everything seems to be running pretty well, EXCEPT... I'm unable to find the HDD and I am working off the SSD, which is ok, since it is supposed to house the OS and the games, right? Anyways, I am downloading my favorite game right now, WoT (not to be confused with Wow) and I can't wait to see how it looks all maxed out!

Thanks for this fantastic site!

Woo-hoo! This is what I like to hear!

So, yes, games should be installed on the SSD as long as there's space.

To get your hard drive to show up in Windows, it sounds like you'll need to initialize the drive. Check out this guide and skip to the section on setting up an SSD and hard drive in the same system: http://techbuyersguru.com/SSDguide2.php
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: HPzota on June 08, 2015, 05:52:41 AM
I am happy to announce that I am posting this reply from my new High-End gaming PC.  ;D

Ari,

Your reply helped me think calmly and clearly. I opened the case and it clicked right away... I had power on the DVD unit, but failed to connect it to the MB. (noob error, D'oh!)

Everything seems to be running pretty well, EXCEPT... I'm unable to find the HDD and I am working off the SSD, which is ok, since it is supposed to house the OS and the games, right? Anyways, I am downloading my favorite game right now, WoT (not to be confused with Wow) and I can't wait to see how it looks all maxed out!

Thanks for this fantastic site!

Woo-hoo! This is what I like to hear!

So, yes, games should be installed on the SSD as long as there's space.

To get your hard drive to show up in Windows, it sounds like you'll need to initialize the drive. Check out this guide and skip to the section on setting up an SSD and hard drive in the same system: http://techbuyersguru.com/SSDguide2.php

Man, I 've been so busy playing I didn't care about this for some time. But now I need to start dealing with saving files!

So I started to set up the HDD following the guide, and found myself stuck when right-clicking on the disk (good news is that the system found it) it makes me choose between Dynamic Disk and MBR. I tried to read about all these master boot and the way the disk is split... but man.. too much info made my head hurt.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on June 08, 2015, 12:34:15 PM
I am happy to announce that I am posting this reply from my new High-End gaming PC.  ;D

Ari,

Your reply helped me think calmly and clearly. I opened the case and it clicked right away... I had power on the DVD unit, but failed to connect it to the MB. (noob error, D'oh!)

Everything seems to be running pretty well, EXCEPT... I'm unable to find the HDD and I am working off the SSD, which is ok, since it is supposed to house the OS and the games, right? Anyways, I am downloading my favorite game right now, WoT (not to be confused with Wow) and I can't wait to see how it looks all maxed out!

Thanks for this fantastic site!

Woo-hoo! This is what I like to hear!

So, yes, games should be installed on the SSD as long as there's space.

To get your hard drive to show up in Windows, it sounds like you'll need to initialize the drive. Check out this guide and skip to the section on setting up an SSD and hard drive in the same system: http://techbuyersguru.com/SSDguide2.php

Man, I 've been so busy playing I didn't care about this for some time. But now I need to start dealing with saving files!

So I started to set up the HDD following the guide, and found myself stuck when right-clicking on the disk (good news is that the system found it) it makes me choose between Dynamic Disk and MBR. I tried to read about all these master boot and the way the disk is split... but man.. too much info made my head hurt.

Glad the gaming experience has been good so far!

When formatting the hard drive, pick MBR partition, and do not pick dynamic disk.

Post back to confirm that you can access your hard drive after taking these steps.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: HPzota on June 09, 2015, 05:50:13 PM
I think I'm in. This is what I see...
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on June 10, 2015, 05:57:32 AM
I think I'm in. This is what I see...

Yes, your hard drive is almost ready to use. Just right click and create a new simple volume. Looks like your 3GB disk has been split into two partitions, as 2GB is the limit for the standard format method. Just create a simple volume for each partition.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: wabinad on August 16, 2015, 05:52:30 AM
I ordered almost everything for the $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build of August 2015, but it would be interesting to know which is the most suitable Monitor for such a build, any tips?
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on August 16, 2015, 10:07:13 AM
I ordered almost everything for the $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build of August 2015, but it would be interesting to know which is the most suitable Monitor for such a build, any tips?

Welcome to the TBG Forum, wabinad!

The best monitor for you really depends on your budget and your needs. If you are interested in fast-paced gaming, I would really recommend you consider the LG 24GM77 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00P0EOX1S/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00P0EOX1S&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=A5S67AFAUGZ2AVDG), which will give you 144Hz refresh rates and blur reduction for incredibly-smooth gaming. It costs around $300. If you'd like a few more options, have a look at the TBG Monitor Buyer's Guide (http://techbuyersguru.com/monitor-buyers-guide).
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: wabinad on August 16, 2015, 03:07:37 PM
I ordered almost everything for the $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build of August 2015, but it would be interesting to know which is the most suitable Monitor for such a build, any tips?

Welcome to the TBG Forum, wabinad!

The best monitor for you really depends on your budget and your needs. If you are interested in fast-paced gaming, I would really recommend you consider the LG 24GM77 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00P0EOX1S/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00P0EOX1S&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=A5S67AFAUGZ2AVDG), which will give you 144Hz refresh rates and blur reduction for incredibly-smooth gaming. It costs around $300. If you'd like a few more options, have a look at the TBG Monitor Buyer's Guide (http://techbuyersguru.com/monitor-buyers-guide).

Thank you very much  :)
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Romeo16 on November 23, 2015, 11:04:22 PM
Hi TechBuyersGuru,

I was just wondering if you guys could quickly scan the links for the items I am going to buy for this build to make sure I am buying the right items. I am buying from Toronto, Canada.

Here are the links where I found the computer parts for the most reasonable prices:

Gigabyte GA-Z97X-Gaming 5: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128709&cm_re=Gigabyte_GA-Z97X-Gaming_5-_-13-128-709-_-Product (http://www.jdoqocy.com/click-7120282-10657534-1429218932000?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newegg.ca%2FProduct%2FProduct.aspx%3FItem%3DN82E16813128709%26cm_re%3DGigabyte_GA-Z97X-Gaming_5-_-13-128-709-_-Product)
Sapphire Radeon R9 390X 8GB Tri-X: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202147&cm_re=Sapphire_Radeon_R9_390X_8GB_Tri-X-_-14-202-147-_-Product (http://www.jdoqocy.com/click-7120282-10657534-1429218932000?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newegg.ca%2FProduct%2FProduct.aspx%3FItem%3DN82E16814202147%26cm_re%3DSapphire_Radeon_R9_390X_8GB_Tri-X-_-14-202-147-_-Product)
Patriot 2x4GB Viper III DDR3 2133 Black Mamba: http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00FGNYFB6?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_2&smid=A26PVB3960EU85 (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00FGNYFB6/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=390961&creativeASIN=B00FGNYFB6&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu06-20)
Rosewill Blackhawk: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147107&_ga=1.159334586.1206610632.1448268874 (http://www.kqzyfj.com/click-7120282-10657534-1429218932000?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newegg.ca%2FProduct%2FProduct.aspx%3FItem%3DN82E16811147107%26_ga%3D1.159334586.1206610632.1448268874)
EVGA Supernova 650 G2: http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00UVN20AO?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_1&smid=A1HU0UETW2PFPN (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00UVN20AO/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=390961&creativeASIN=B00UVN20AO&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu06-20)
Thermalright True Spirit 140 Rev. A: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/141769698201

Let me know if you need any more information. Also please let me know if there are any other stores or websites in Toronto that I can probably find cheaper prices for the parts! I've checked NCIX.ca, TigerDirect.ca, and CanadaComputers.com but they either don't have the part or aren't cheaper. Also I'm not too keen on waiting for Cyber Monday because I don't feel like the deals are that much better and delivery times are substantially longer.

Thanks guys!
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on November 24, 2015, 07:40:48 AM
Hi TechBuyersGuru,

I was just wondering if you guys could quickly scan the links for the items I am going to buy for this build to make sure I am buying the right items. I am buying from Toronto, Canada.

Here are the links where I found the computer parts for the most reasonable prices:

Gigabyte GA-Z97X-Gaming 5: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128709&cm_re=Gigabyte_GA-Z97X-Gaming_5-_-13-128-709-_-Product (http://www.jdoqocy.com/click-7120282-10657534-1429218932000?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newegg.ca%2FProduct%2FProduct.aspx%3FItem%3DN82E16813128709%26cm_re%3DGigabyte_GA-Z97X-Gaming_5-_-13-128-709-_-Product)
Sapphire Radeon R9 390X 8GB Tri-X: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202147&cm_re=Sapphire_Radeon_R9_390X_8GB_Tri-X-_-14-202-147-_-Product (http://www.jdoqocy.com/click-7120282-10657534-1429218932000?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newegg.ca%2FProduct%2FProduct.aspx%3FItem%3DN82E16814202147%26cm_re%3DSapphire_Radeon_R9_390X_8GB_Tri-X-_-14-202-147-_-Product)
Patriot 2x4GB Viper III DDR3 2133 Black Mamba: http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00FGNYFB6?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_2&smid=A26PVB3960EU85 (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00FGNYFB6/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=390961&creativeASIN=B00FGNYFB6&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu06-20)
Rosewill Blackhawk: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147107&_ga=1.159334586.1206610632.1448268874 (http://www.kqzyfj.com/click-7120282-10657534-1429218932000?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newegg.ca%2FProduct%2FProduct.aspx%3FItem%3DN82E16811147107%26_ga%3D1.159334586.1206610632.1448268874)
EVGA Supernova 650 G2: http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00UVN20AO?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_1&smid=A1HU0UETW2PFPN (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00UVN20AO/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=390961&creativeASIN=B00UVN20AO&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu06-20)
Thermalright True Spirit 140 Rev. A: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/141769698201

Let me know if you need any more information. Also please let me know if there are any other stores or websites in Toronto that I can probably find cheaper prices for the parts! I've checked NCIX.ca, TigerDirect.ca, and CanadaComputers.com but they either don't have the part or aren't cheaper. Also I'm not too keen on waiting for Cyber Monday because I don't feel like the deals are that much better and delivery times are substantially longer.

Thanks guys!

Hey, that list looks really good. Just note that a couple of the products don't quite match the names from the build guide, as equivalent products available in Canada were provided as substitutes. You have Patriot's red low profile RAM instead of the similar Black Mamba RAM, and you have EVGA's 650GS PSU instead of the 650 G2. Both are great, and we've in fact used the 650 GS in one of our test builds.

Right  now, Amazon.ca still has a better price than Newegg.ca on the Sapphire Radeon 390X. Here's the link (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00ZGL8CFI/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=330641&creativeASIN=B00ZGL8CFI&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu06-20).

By the way, don't buy the Thermalright from eBay - it's not a good price. For around the same price, you can get far superior Noctua NH-U14S from Amazon.ca (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00C9FLSLY/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=330641&creativeASIN=B00C9FLSLY&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu06-20). It seems Thermalright doesn't have a real presence in Canada, so the prices aren't fair.

Overall, this is a great build for the price - the motherboard and case are particularly good deals right now for Black Friday.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Romeo16 on December 04, 2015, 08:57:56 PM
Hi TechBuyersGuru,

I was just wondering if you guys could quickly scan the links for the items I am going to buy for this build to make sure I am buying the right items. I am buying from Toronto, Canada.

Here are the links where I found the computer parts for the most reasonable prices:

Gigabyte GA-Z97X-Gaming 5: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128709&cm_re=Gigabyte_GA-Z97X-Gaming_5-_-13-128-709-_-Product (http://www.jdoqocy.com/click-7120282-10657534-1429218932000?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newegg.ca%2FProduct%2FProduct.aspx%3FItem%3DN82E16813128709%26cm_re%3DGigabyte_GA-Z97X-Gaming_5-_-13-128-709-_-Product)
Sapphire Radeon R9 390X 8GB Tri-X: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202147&cm_re=Sapphire_Radeon_R9_390X_8GB_Tri-X-_-14-202-147-_-Product (http://www.jdoqocy.com/click-7120282-10657534-1429218932000?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newegg.ca%2FProduct%2FProduct.aspx%3FItem%3DN82E16814202147%26cm_re%3DSapphire_Radeon_R9_390X_8GB_Tri-X-_-14-202-147-_-Product)
Patriot 2x4GB Viper III DDR3 2133 Black Mamba: http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00FGNYFB6?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_2&smid=A26PVB3960EU85 (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00FGNYFB6/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=390961&creativeASIN=B00FGNYFB6&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu06-20)
Rosewill Blackhawk: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147107&_ga=1.159334586.1206610632.1448268874 (http://www.kqzyfj.com/click-7120282-10657534-1429218932000?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newegg.ca%2FProduct%2FProduct.aspx%3FItem%3DN82E16811147107%26_ga%3D1.159334586.1206610632.1448268874)
EVGA Supernova 650 G2: http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00UVN20AO?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_1&smid=A1HU0UETW2PFPN (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00UVN20AO/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=390961&creativeASIN=B00UVN20AO&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu06-20)
Thermalright True Spirit 140 Rev. A: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/141769698201

Let me know if you need any more information. Also please let me know if there are any other stores or websites in Toronto that I can probably find cheaper prices for the parts! I've checked NCIX.ca, TigerDirect.ca, and CanadaComputers.com but they either don't have the part or aren't cheaper. Also I'm not too keen on waiting for Cyber Monday because I don't feel like the deals are that much better and delivery times are substantially longer.

Thanks guys!

Hey, that list looks really good. Just note that a couple of the products don't quite match the names from the build guide, as equivalent products available in Canada were provided as substitutes. You have Patriot's red low profile RAM instead of the similar Black Mamba RAM, and you have EVGA's 650GS PSU instead of the 650 G2. Both are great, and we've in fact used the 650 GS in one of our test builds.

Right  now, Amazon.ca still has a better price than Newegg.ca on the Sapphire Radeon 390X. Here's the link (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00ZGL8CFI/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=330641&creativeASIN=B00ZGL8CFI&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu06-20).

By the way, don't buy the Thermalright from eBay - it's not a good price. For around the same price, you can get far superior Noctua NH-U14S from Amazon.ca (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00C9FLSLY/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=330641&creativeASIN=B00C9FLSLY&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu06-20). It seems Thermalright doesn't have a real presence in Canada, so the prices aren't fair.

Overall, this is a great build for the price - the motherboard and case are particularly good deals right now for Black Friday.

Hey Ari,

Thank you for the quick reply! I thought I would get an email if someone responded but I didn't have that option selected in my account settings apparently. I went ahead and bought all the parts and put it together myself for the first time! Took almost a whole day but it was a fun project! I still got the RAM but I realized I was getting the wrong PSU, EVGA's 650GS, just before purchasing and got the EVGA's 650G2 which has been working amazing! Thank you guys so much for the build guide and help.

I just had one more question. My previous graphics card was a Sapphire Radeon R9 290 4GB Tri-X OC GPU. I was wondering if I could crossfire the Sapphire Radeon R9 390x 8GB Tri-X OC GPU with it and get a more powerful PSU or use my Corsair CX750M PSU to just power both GPUs. I've read articles stating that even though it's possible and there would be a slight improvement in FPS, the R9 290 would slow down the R9 390x because of the lower VRAM. Therefore it's not worth it. I'm completely new to crossfiring and I was hoping to get some advice. I was also thinking about purchasing another R9 390x and crossfire it with my current one. Would a different brand's R9 390x not work well with the Sapphire Radeon R9 390x 8GB Tri-X OC GPU? It was quite expensive especially in Toronto, Canada.

Thanks for all your help,

Romeo16
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on December 04, 2015, 10:27:02 PM
Hi TechBuyersGuru,

I was just wondering if you guys could quickly scan the links for the items I am going to buy for this build to make sure I am buying the right items. I am buying from Toronto, Canada.

Here are the links where I found the computer parts for the most reasonable prices:

Gigabyte GA-Z97X-Gaming 5: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128709&cm_re=Gigabyte_GA-Z97X-Gaming_5-_-13-128-709-_-Product (http://www.jdoqocy.com/click-7120282-10657534-1429218932000?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newegg.ca%2FProduct%2FProduct.aspx%3FItem%3DN82E16813128709%26cm_re%3DGigabyte_GA-Z97X-Gaming_5-_-13-128-709-_-Product)
Sapphire Radeon R9 390X 8GB Tri-X: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202147&cm_re=Sapphire_Radeon_R9_390X_8GB_Tri-X-_-14-202-147-_-Product (http://www.jdoqocy.com/click-7120282-10657534-1429218932000?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newegg.ca%2FProduct%2FProduct.aspx%3FItem%3DN82E16814202147%26cm_re%3DSapphire_Radeon_R9_390X_8GB_Tri-X-_-14-202-147-_-Product)
Patriot 2x4GB Viper III DDR3 2133 Black Mamba: http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00FGNYFB6?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_2&smid=A26PVB3960EU85 (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00FGNYFB6/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=390961&creativeASIN=B00FGNYFB6&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu06-20)
Rosewill Blackhawk: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147107&_ga=1.159334586.1206610632.1448268874 (http://www.kqzyfj.com/click-7120282-10657534-1429218932000?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newegg.ca%2FProduct%2FProduct.aspx%3FItem%3DN82E16811147107%26_ga%3D1.159334586.1206610632.1448268874)
EVGA Supernova 650 G2: http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00UVN20AO?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_1&smid=A1HU0UETW2PFPN (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00UVN20AO/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=390961&creativeASIN=B00UVN20AO&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu06-20)
Thermalright True Spirit 140 Rev. A: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/141769698201

Let me know if you need any more information. Also please let me know if there are any other stores or websites in Toronto that I can probably find cheaper prices for the parts! I've checked NCIX.ca, TigerDirect.ca, and CanadaComputers.com but they either don't have the part or aren't cheaper. Also I'm not too keen on waiting for Cyber Monday because I don't feel like the deals are that much better and delivery times are substantially longer.

Thanks guys!

Hey, that list looks really good. Just note that a couple of the products don't quite match the names from the build guide, as equivalent products available in Canada were provided as substitutes. You have Patriot's red low profile RAM instead of the similar Black Mamba RAM, and you have EVGA's 650GS PSU instead of the 650 G2. Both are great, and we've in fact used the 650 GS in one of our test builds.

Right  now, Amazon.ca still has a better price than Newegg.ca on the Sapphire Radeon 390X. Here's the link (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00ZGL8CFI/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=330641&creativeASIN=B00ZGL8CFI&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu06-20).

By the way, don't buy the Thermalright from eBay - it's not a good price. For around the same price, you can get far superior Noctua NH-U14S from Amazon.ca (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00C9FLSLY/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=330641&creativeASIN=B00C9FLSLY&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu06-20). It seems Thermalright doesn't have a real presence in Canada, so the prices aren't fair.

Overall, this is a great build for the price - the motherboard and case are particularly good deals right now for Black Friday.

Hey Ari,

Thank you for the quick reply! I thought I would get an email if someone responded but I didn't have that option selected in my account settings apparently. I went ahead and bought all the parts and put it together myself for the first time! Took almost a whole day but it was a fun project! I still got the RAM but I realized I was getting the wrong PSU, EVGA's 650GS, just before purchasing and got the EVGA's 650G2 which has been working amazing! Thank you guys so much for the build guide and help.

I just had one more question. My previous graphics card was a Sapphire Radeon R9 290 4GB Tri-X OC GPU. I was wondering if I could crossfire the Sapphire Radeon R9 390x 8GB Tri-X OC GPU with it and get a more powerful PSU or use my Corsair CX750M PSU to just power both GPUs. I've read articles stating that even though it's possible and there would be a slight improvement in FPS, the R9 290 would slow down the R9 390x because of the lower VRAM. Therefore it's not worth it. I'm completely new to crossfiring and I was hoping to get some advice. I was also thinking about purchasing another R9 390x and crossfire it with my current one. Would a different brand's R9 390x not work well with the Sapphire Radeon R9 390x 8GB Tri-X OC GPU? It was quite expensive especially in Toronto, Canada.

Thanks for all your help,

Romeo16

Romeo16,

Great to hear that your build came together - congrats on building your first PC! It probably won't be your last!

So here's the deal with Crossfire: you can definitely Crossfire the 290 with the 390x. It's awesome that you already had a 290 available (in fact, I might have suggested you just stick with that card rather than get a new 390X). The 290 is that good a card. But since you have both now, you can give Crossfire a try. The brand doesn't matter at all, whether it's two 390X cards or a mix of 290/390 cards.

Now, there are a couple of drawbacks to Crossfiring the 290 with the 390X. First, you lose the use of 4GB out of the 8GB on the 390X, meaning you're running the equivalent of two 4GB cards. That's plenty unless you're running at 4K, so it's not that big a deal. Second, your system will operate at a speed slightly better than two 290 cards, but worse than two 390X cards. Again, not a big deal, but you just have to set realistic expectations.

But the biggest problem is power draw. Your 650W unit is one of the best around, but it will be crushed immediately by trying to run that Crossfire setup. And while some 750W units could probably get by powering it, unfortunately your CX750M is not one of them. It doesn't have the reserves of a higher-end 750W unit (not all 750W are created equal).

And a closely related issue is heat output. Your Blackhawk case is about as good as they come in terms of airflow, but two open-air 290/390 cards produce a huge amount of heat. You would really have to monitor them closely, and potentially adjust the fan profiles to much higher levels.

So, all in all, this is what I'd suggest: use your system with just the 390X for a while, and if you decide it just doesn't have enough power for you, pick up at least an 850W power supply (the EVGA 850 G2 (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00IKDETOC/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=390961&creativeASIN=B00IKDETOC&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu06-20) is a great option, and add in your R9 290. Since you have it available, it really doesn't make sense to buy a new 390X just to try Crossfire out. You'll get something like 85% of the performance that you'd have with two 390X cards, so it will give you a taste of Crossfire. It will also show you what it's like to have two hot-running cards in your case. You may decide it's not for you, and you'll only be out the cost of the power supply. If you decide you really like it and want to run a 4K monitor in the future, you can always go for a 390X at that point to gain access to 8GB of VRAM.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on December 04, 2015, 10:29:54 PM
Hi TechBuyersGuru,

I was just wondering if you guys could quickly scan the links for the items I am going to buy for this build to make sure I am buying the right items. I am buying from Toronto, Canada.

Here are the links where I found the computer parts for the most reasonable prices:

Gigabyte GA-Z97X-Gaming 5: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128709&cm_re=Gigabyte_GA-Z97X-Gaming_5-_-13-128-709-_-Product (http://www.jdoqocy.com/click-7120282-10657534-1429218932000?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newegg.ca%2FProduct%2FProduct.aspx%3FItem%3DN82E16813128709%26cm_re%3DGigabyte_GA-Z97X-Gaming_5-_-13-128-709-_-Product)
Sapphire Radeon R9 390X 8GB Tri-X: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202147&cm_re=Sapphire_Radeon_R9_390X_8GB_Tri-X-_-14-202-147-_-Product (http://www.jdoqocy.com/click-7120282-10657534-1429218932000?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newegg.ca%2FProduct%2FProduct.aspx%3FItem%3DN82E16814202147%26cm_re%3DSapphire_Radeon_R9_390X_8GB_Tri-X-_-14-202-147-_-Product)
Patriot 2x4GB Viper III DDR3 2133 Black Mamba: http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00FGNYFB6?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_2&smid=A26PVB3960EU85 (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00FGNYFB6/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=390961&creativeASIN=B00FGNYFB6&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu06-20)
Rosewill Blackhawk: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147107&_ga=1.159334586.1206610632.1448268874 (http://www.kqzyfj.com/click-7120282-10657534-1429218932000?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newegg.ca%2FProduct%2FProduct.aspx%3FItem%3DN82E16811147107%26_ga%3D1.159334586.1206610632.1448268874)
EVGA Supernova 650 G2: http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00UVN20AO?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_1&smid=A1HU0UETW2PFPN (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00UVN20AO/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=390961&creativeASIN=B00UVN20AO&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu06-20)
Thermalright True Spirit 140 Rev. A: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/141769698201

Let me know if you need any more information. Also please let me know if there are any other stores or websites in Toronto that I can probably find cheaper prices for the parts! I've checked NCIX.ca, TigerDirect.ca, and CanadaComputers.com but they either don't have the part or aren't cheaper. Also I'm not too keen on waiting for Cyber Monday because I don't feel like the deals are that much better and delivery times are substantially longer.

Thanks guys!

Hey, that list looks really good. Just note that a couple of the products don't quite match the names from the build guide, as equivalent products available in Canada were provided as substitutes. You have Patriot's red low profile RAM instead of the similar Black Mamba RAM, and you have EVGA's 650GS PSU instead of the 650 G2. Both are great, and we've in fact used the 650 GS in one of our test builds.

Right  now, Amazon.ca still has a better price than Newegg.ca on the Sapphire Radeon 390X. Here's the link (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00ZGL8CFI/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=330641&creativeASIN=B00ZGL8CFI&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu06-20).

By the way, don't buy the Thermalright from eBay - it's not a good price. For around the same price, you can get far superior Noctua NH-U14S from Amazon.ca (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00C9FLSLY/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=330641&creativeASIN=B00C9FLSLY&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu06-20). It seems Thermalright doesn't have a real presence in Canada, so the prices aren't fair.

Overall, this is a great build for the price - the motherboard and case are particularly good deals right now for Black Friday.

Hey Ari,

Thank you for the quick reply! I thought I would get an email if someone responded but I didn't have that option selected in my account settings apparently. I went ahead and bought all the parts and put it together myself for the first time! Took almost a whole day but it was a fun project! I still got the RAM but I realized I was getting the wrong PSU, EVGA's 650GS, just before purchasing and got the EVGA's 650G2 which has been working amazing! Thank you guys so much for the build guide and help.

I just had one more question. My previous graphics card was a Sapphire Radeon R9 290 4GB Tri-X OC GPU. I was wondering if I could crossfire the Sapphire Radeon R9 390x 8GB Tri-X OC GPU with it and get a more powerful PSU or use my Corsair CX750M PSU to just power both GPUs. I've read articles stating that even though it's possible and there would be a slight improvement in FPS, the R9 290 would slow down the R9 390x because of the lower VRAM. Therefore it's not worth it. I'm completely new to crossfiring and I was hoping to get some advice. I was also thinking about purchasing another R9 390x and crossfire it with my current one. Would a different brand's R9 390x not work well with the Sapphire Radeon R9 390x 8GB Tri-X OC GPU? It was quite expensive especially in Toronto, Canada.

Thanks for all your help,

Romeo16

Romeo16,

Great to hear that your build came together - congrats on building your first PC! It probably won't be your last!

So here's the deal with Crossfire: you can definitely Crossfire the 290 with the 390x. It's awesome that you already had a 290 available (in fact, I might have suggested you just stick with that card rather than get a new 390X). The 290 is that good a card. But since you have both now, you can give Crossfire a try. The brand doesn't matter at all, whether it's two 390X cards or a mix of 290/390 cards.

Now, there are a couple of drawbacks to Crossfiring the 290 with the 390X. First, you lose the use of 4GB out of the 8GB on the 390X, meaning you're running the equivalent of two 4GB cards. That's plenty unless you're running at 4K, so it's not that big a deal. Second, your system will operate at a speed slightly better than two 290 cards, but worse than two 390X cards. Again, not a big deal, but you just have to set realistic expectations.

But the biggest problem is power draw. Your 650W unit is one of the best around, but it will be crushed immediately by trying to run that Crossfire setup. And while some 750W units could probably get by powering it, unfortunately your CX750M is not one of them. It doesn't have the reserves of a higher-end 750W unit (not all 750W are created equal).

And a closely related issue is heat output. Your Blackhawk case is about as good as they come in terms of airflow, but two open-air 290/390 cards produce a huge amount of heat. You would really have to monitor them closely, and potentially adjust the fan profiles to much higher levels.

So, all in all, this is what I'd suggest: use your system with just the 390X for a while, and if you decide it just doesn't have enough power for you, pick up at least an 850W power supply (the EVGA 850 G2 (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00IKDETOC/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=390961&creativeASIN=B00IKDETOC&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu06-20) is a great option), and add in your R9 290. Since you have it available, it really doesn't make sense to buy a new 390X just to try Crossfire out. You'll get something like 85% of the performance that you'd have with two 390X cards, so it will give you a taste of Crossfire. It will also show you what it's like to have two hot-running cards in your case. You may decide it's not for you, and you'll only be out the cost of the power supply. If you decide you really like it and want to run a 4K monitor in the future, you can always go for a 390X at that point to gain access to 8GB of VRAM.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Romeo16 on December 05, 2015, 05:02:48 AM
Hi TechBuyersGuru,

I was just wondering if you guys could quickly scan the links for the items I am going to buy for this build to make sure I am buying the right items. I am buying from Toronto, Canada.

Here are the links where I found the computer parts for the most reasonable prices:

Gigabyte GA-Z97X-Gaming 5: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128709&cm_re=Gigabyte_GA-Z97X-Gaming_5-_-13-128-709-_-Product (http://www.jdoqocy.com/click-7120282-10657534-1429218932000?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newegg.ca%2FProduct%2FProduct.aspx%3FItem%3DN82E16813128709%26cm_re%3DGigabyte_GA-Z97X-Gaming_5-_-13-128-709-_-Product)
Sapphire Radeon R9 390X 8GB Tri-X: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202147&cm_re=Sapphire_Radeon_R9_390X_8GB_Tri-X-_-14-202-147-_-Product (http://www.jdoqocy.com/click-7120282-10657534-1429218932000?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newegg.ca%2FProduct%2FProduct.aspx%3FItem%3DN82E16814202147%26cm_re%3DSapphire_Radeon_R9_390X_8GB_Tri-X-_-14-202-147-_-Product)
Patriot 2x4GB Viper III DDR3 2133 Black Mamba: http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00FGNYFB6?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_2&smid=A26PVB3960EU85 (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00FGNYFB6/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=390961&creativeASIN=B00FGNYFB6&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu06-20)
Rosewill Blackhawk: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147107&_ga=1.159334586.1206610632.1448268874 (http://www.kqzyfj.com/click-7120282-10657534-1429218932000?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newegg.ca%2FProduct%2FProduct.aspx%3FItem%3DN82E16811147107%26_ga%3D1.159334586.1206610632.1448268874)
EVGA Supernova 650 G2: http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00UVN20AO?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_1&smid=A1HU0UETW2PFPN (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00UVN20AO/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=390961&creativeASIN=B00UVN20AO&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu06-20)
Thermalright True Spirit 140 Rev. A: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/141769698201

Let me know if you need any more information. Also please let me know if there are any other stores or websites in Toronto that I can probably find cheaper prices for the parts! I've checked NCIX.ca, TigerDirect.ca, and CanadaComputers.com but they either don't have the part or aren't cheaper. Also I'm not too keen on waiting for Cyber Monday because I don't feel like the deals are that much better and delivery times are substantially longer.

Thanks guys!

Hey, that list looks really good. Just note that a couple of the products don't quite match the names from the build guide, as equivalent products available in Canada were provided as substitutes. You have Patriot's red low profile RAM instead of the similar Black Mamba RAM, and you have EVGA's 650GS PSU instead of the 650 G2. Both are great, and we've in fact used the 650 GS in one of our test builds.

Right  now, Amazon.ca still has a better price than Newegg.ca on the Sapphire Radeon 390X. Here's the link (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00ZGL8CFI/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=330641&creativeASIN=B00ZGL8CFI&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu06-20).

By the way, don't buy the Thermalright from eBay - it's not a good price. For around the same price, you can get far superior Noctua NH-U14S from Amazon.ca (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00C9FLSLY/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=330641&creativeASIN=B00C9FLSLY&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu06-20). It seems Thermalright doesn't have a real presence in Canada, so the prices aren't fair.

Overall, this is a great build for the price - the motherboard and case are particularly good deals right now for Black Friday.

Hey Ari,

Thank you for the quick reply! I thought I would get an email if someone responded but I didn't have that option selected in my account settings apparently. I went ahead and bought all the parts and put it together myself for the first time! Took almost a whole day but it was a fun project! I still got the RAM but I realized I was getting the wrong PSU, EVGA's 650GS, just before purchasing and got the EVGA's 650G2 which has been working amazing! Thank you guys so much for the build guide and help.

I just had one more question. My previous graphics card was a Sapphire Radeon R9 290 4GB Tri-X OC GPU. I was wondering if I could crossfire the Sapphire Radeon R9 390x 8GB Tri-X OC GPU with it and get a more powerful PSU or use my Corsair CX750M PSU to just power both GPUs. I've read articles stating that even though it's possible and there would be a slight improvement in FPS, the R9 290 would slow down the R9 390x because of the lower VRAM. Therefore it's not worth it. I'm completely new to crossfiring and I was hoping to get some advice. I was also thinking about purchasing another R9 390x and crossfire it with my current one. Would a different brand's R9 390x not work well with the Sapphire Radeon R9 390x 8GB Tri-X OC GPU? It was quite expensive especially in Toronto, Canada.

Thanks for all your help,

Romeo16

Romeo16,

Great to hear that your build came together - congrats on building your first PC! It probably won't be your last!

So here's the deal with Crossfire: you can definitely Crossfire the 290 with the 390x. It's awesome that you already had a 290 available (in fact, I might have suggested you just stick with that card rather than get a new 390X). The 290 is that good a card. But since you have both now, you can give Crossfire a try. The brand doesn't matter at all, whether it's two 390X cards or a mix of 290/390 cards.

Now, there are a couple of drawbacks to Crossfiring the 290 with the 390X. First, you lose the use of 4GB out of the 8GB on the 390X, meaning you're running the equivalent of two 4GB cards. That's plenty unless you're running at 4K, so it's not that big a deal. Second, your system will operate at a speed slightly better than two 290 cards, but worse than two 390X cards. Again, not a big deal, but you just have to set realistic expectations.

But the biggest problem is power draw. Your 650W unit is one of the best around, but it will be crushed immediately by trying to run that Crossfire setup. And while some 750W units could probably get by powering it, unfortunately your CX750M is not one of them. It doesn't have the reserves of a higher-end 750W unit (not all 750W are created equal).

And a closely related issue is heat output. Your Blackhawk case is about as good as they come in terms of airflow, but two open-air 290/390 cards produce a huge amount of heat. You would really have to monitor them closely, and potentially adjust the fan profiles to much higher levels.

So, all in all, this is what I'd suggest: use your system with just the 390X for a while, and if you decide it just doesn't have enough power for you, pick up at least an 850W power supply (the EVGA 850 G2 (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00IKDETOC/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=390961&creativeASIN=B00IKDETOC&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu06-20) is a great option), and add in your R9 290. Since you have it available, it really doesn't make sense to buy a new 390X just to try Crossfire out. You'll get something like 85% of the performance that you'd have with two 390X cards, so it will give you a taste of Crossfire. It will also show you what it's like to have two hot-running cards in your case. You may decide it's not for you, and you'll only be out the cost of the power supply. If you decide you really like it and want to run a 4K monitor in the future, you can always go for a 390X at that point to gain access to 8GB of VRAM.

Ari,

It definitely won't be my last! Thanks for helping me get started!

At the moment and I believe for the next year I will not be interested in 4K gaming. Right now I just want my FPS to be the best it can be at Ultra Graphics settings in 1920x1080 :). The Sapphire Radeon R9 390x Tri-X OC has been amazing but since I already have the The Sapphire Radeon R9 290 Tri-X OC, I've been curious about crossfiring them. For non 4K gaming if I don't need the extra 4GB VRAM on the R9 390x, that's fine with me as I'll have space to upgrade in the future. 85% of two R9 390xs sounds great for what I want :).

As for the heat, I know that can be a huge issue and I'm not ready to tackle liquid cooling for the GPUs. Are there any guides I can read on managing my fan profiles to keep the GPUs running at safe temperatures which I would assume would be around 50C at 100% usage? Also would MSI Afterburner be sufficient software to manage those fan profiles?
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on December 05, 2015, 05:53:51 AM
Hi TechBuyersGuru,

I was just wondering if you guys could quickly scan the links for the items I am going to buy for this build to make sure I am buying the right items. I am buying from Toronto, Canada.

Here are the links where I found the computer parts for the most reasonable prices:

Gigabyte GA-Z97X-Gaming 5: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128709&cm_re=Gigabyte_GA-Z97X-Gaming_5-_-13-128-709-_-Product (http://www.jdoqocy.com/click-7120282-10657534-1429218932000?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newegg.ca%2FProduct%2FProduct.aspx%3FItem%3DN82E16813128709%26cm_re%3DGigabyte_GA-Z97X-Gaming_5-_-13-128-709-_-Product)
Sapphire Radeon R9 390X 8GB Tri-X: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202147&cm_re=Sapphire_Radeon_R9_390X_8GB_Tri-X-_-14-202-147-_-Product (http://www.jdoqocy.com/click-7120282-10657534-1429218932000?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newegg.ca%2FProduct%2FProduct.aspx%3FItem%3DN82E16814202147%26cm_re%3DSapphire_Radeon_R9_390X_8GB_Tri-X-_-14-202-147-_-Product)
Patriot 2x4GB Viper III DDR3 2133 Black Mamba: http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00FGNYFB6?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_2&smid=A26PVB3960EU85 (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00FGNYFB6/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=390961&creativeASIN=B00FGNYFB6&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu06-20)
Rosewill Blackhawk: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147107&_ga=1.159334586.1206610632.1448268874 (http://www.kqzyfj.com/click-7120282-10657534-1429218932000?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newegg.ca%2FProduct%2FProduct.aspx%3FItem%3DN82E16811147107%26_ga%3D1.159334586.1206610632.1448268874)
EVGA Supernova 650 G2: http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00UVN20AO?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_1&smid=A1HU0UETW2PFPN (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00UVN20AO/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=390961&creativeASIN=B00UVN20AO&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu06-20)
Thermalright True Spirit 140 Rev. A: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/141769698201

Let me know if you need any more information. Also please let me know if there are any other stores or websites in Toronto that I can probably find cheaper prices for the parts! I've checked NCIX.ca, TigerDirect.ca, and CanadaComputers.com but they either don't have the part or aren't cheaper. Also I'm not too keen on waiting for Cyber Monday because I don't feel like the deals are that much better and delivery times are substantially longer.

Thanks guys!

Hey, that list looks really good. Just note that a couple of the products don't quite match the names from the build guide, as equivalent products available in Canada were provided as substitutes. You have Patriot's red low profile RAM instead of the similar Black Mamba RAM, and you have EVGA's 650GS PSU instead of the 650 G2. Both are great, and we've in fact used the 650 GS in one of our test builds.

Right  now, Amazon.ca still has a better price than Newegg.ca on the Sapphire Radeon 390X. Here's the link (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00ZGL8CFI/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=330641&creativeASIN=B00ZGL8CFI&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu06-20).

By the way, don't buy the Thermalright from eBay - it's not a good price. For around the same price, you can get far superior Noctua NH-U14S from Amazon.ca (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00C9FLSLY/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=330641&creativeASIN=B00C9FLSLY&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu06-20). It seems Thermalright doesn't have a real presence in Canada, so the prices aren't fair.

Overall, this is a great build for the price - the motherboard and case are particularly good deals right now for Black Friday.

Hey Ari,

Thank you for the quick reply! I thought I would get an email if someone responded but I didn't have that option selected in my account settings apparently. I went ahead and bought all the parts and put it together myself for the first time! Took almost a whole day but it was a fun project! I still got the RAM but I realized I was getting the wrong PSU, EVGA's 650GS, just before purchasing and got the EVGA's 650G2 which has been working amazing! Thank you guys so much for the build guide and help.

I just had one more question. My previous graphics card was a Sapphire Radeon R9 290 4GB Tri-X OC GPU. I was wondering if I could crossfire the Sapphire Radeon R9 390x 8GB Tri-X OC GPU with it and get a more powerful PSU or use my Corsair CX750M PSU to just power both GPUs. I've read articles stating that even though it's possible and there would be a slight improvement in FPS, the R9 290 would slow down the R9 390x because of the lower VRAM. Therefore it's not worth it. I'm completely new to crossfiring and I was hoping to get some advice. I was also thinking about purchasing another R9 390x and crossfire it with my current one. Would a different brand's R9 390x not work well with the Sapphire Radeon R9 390x 8GB Tri-X OC GPU? It was quite expensive especially in Toronto, Canada.

Thanks for all your help,

Romeo16

Romeo16,

Great to hear that your build came together - congrats on building your first PC! It probably won't be your last!

So here's the deal with Crossfire: you can definitely Crossfire the 290 with the 390x. It's awesome that you already had a 290 available (in fact, I might have suggested you just stick with that card rather than get a new 390X). The 290 is that good a card. But since you have both now, you can give Crossfire a try. The brand doesn't matter at all, whether it's two 390X cards or a mix of 290/390 cards.

Now, there are a couple of drawbacks to Crossfiring the 290 with the 390X. First, you lose the use of 4GB out of the 8GB on the 390X, meaning you're running the equivalent of two 4GB cards. That's plenty unless you're running at 4K, so it's not that big a deal. Second, your system will operate at a speed slightly better than two 290 cards, but worse than two 390X cards. Again, not a big deal, but you just have to set realistic expectations.

But the biggest problem is power draw. Your 650W unit is one of the best around, but it will be crushed immediately by trying to run that Crossfire setup. And while some 750W units could probably get by powering it, unfortunately your CX750M is not one of them. It doesn't have the reserves of a higher-end 750W unit (not all 750W are created equal).

And a closely related issue is heat output. Your Blackhawk case is about as good as they come in terms of airflow, but two open-air 290/390 cards produce a huge amount of heat. You would really have to monitor them closely, and potentially adjust the fan profiles to much higher levels.

So, all in all, this is what I'd suggest: use your system with just the 390X for a while, and if you decide it just doesn't have enough power for you, pick up at least an 850W power supply (the EVGA 850 G2 (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00IKDETOC/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=390961&creativeASIN=B00IKDETOC&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu06-20) is a great option), and add in your R9 290. Since you have it available, it really doesn't make sense to buy a new 390X just to try Crossfire out. You'll get something like 85% of the performance that you'd have with two 390X cards, so it will give you a taste of Crossfire. It will also show you what it's like to have two hot-running cards in your case. You may decide it's not for you, and you'll only be out the cost of the power supply. If you decide you really like it and want to run a 4K monitor in the future, you can always go for a 390X at that point to gain access to 8GB of VRAM.

Ari,

It definitely won't be my last! Thanks for helping me get started!

At the moment and I believe for the next year I will not be interested in 4K gaming. Right now I just want my FPS to be the best it can be at Ultra Graphics settings in 1920x1080 :). The Sapphire Radeon R9 390x Tri-X OC has been amazing but since I already have the The Sapphire Radeon R9 290 Tri-X OC, I've been curious about crossfiring them. For non 4K gaming if I don't need the extra 4GB VRAM on the R9 390x, that's fine with me as I'll have space to upgrade in the future. 85% of two R9 390xs sounds great for what I want :).

As for the heat, I know that can be a huge issue and I'm not ready to tackle liquid cooling for the GPUs. Are there any guides I can read on managing my fan profiles to keep the GPUs running at safe temperatures which I would assume would be around 50C at 100% usage? Also would MSI Afterburner be sufficient software to manage those fan profiles?

Have a look at this TBG article on open-air vs. blower coolers (http://techbuyersguru.com/video-card-comparison-blower-style-vs-open-air-coolers) to learn more about setting up your cards. In particular, skip to the end of the last page, where you'll find a tutorial on using MSI Afterburner. That's definitely the app to use. Note that you don't need to keep the temp at 50C. That would be very low. All GPUs are rated to run at up to 95C, but it's best to keep them under 80C if possible, because hotter temperatures lead to more current leakage which leads to a vicious circle of rising temps.

Note that for your setup, where both cards have equal coolers, you want the the hotter card (the 390X) in the lower slot, as the card in the first slot will naturally soak up heat from the lower card, and it might as well be the card that runs cooler to start with, otherwise it will thermally throttle faster.

Another thing to note - two cards will affect your CPU temperatures. Which CPU cooler did you end up going with? You may find that you'll need to increase its fan speed as well to compensate for the extra heat in the case.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Romeo16 on December 05, 2015, 06:36:59 AM
Hi TechBuyersGuru,

I was just wondering if you guys could quickly scan the links for the items I am going to buy for this build to make sure I am buying the right items. I am buying from Toronto, Canada.

Here are the links where I found the computer parts for the most reasonable prices:

Gigabyte GA-Z97X-Gaming 5: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128709&cm_re=Gigabyte_GA-Z97X-Gaming_5-_-13-128-709-_-Product (http://www.jdoqocy.com/click-7120282-10657534-1429218932000?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newegg.ca%2FProduct%2FProduct.aspx%3FItem%3DN82E16813128709%26cm_re%3DGigabyte_GA-Z97X-Gaming_5-_-13-128-709-_-Product)
Sapphire Radeon R9 390X 8GB Tri-X: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202147&cm_re=Sapphire_Radeon_R9_390X_8GB_Tri-X-_-14-202-147-_-Product (http://www.jdoqocy.com/click-7120282-10657534-1429218932000?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newegg.ca%2FProduct%2FProduct.aspx%3FItem%3DN82E16814202147%26cm_re%3DSapphire_Radeon_R9_390X_8GB_Tri-X-_-14-202-147-_-Product)
Patriot 2x4GB Viper III DDR3 2133 Black Mamba: http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00FGNYFB6?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_2&smid=A26PVB3960EU85 (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00FGNYFB6/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=390961&creativeASIN=B00FGNYFB6&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu06-20)
Rosewill Blackhawk: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147107&_ga=1.159334586.1206610632.1448268874 (http://www.kqzyfj.com/click-7120282-10657534-1429218932000?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newegg.ca%2FProduct%2FProduct.aspx%3FItem%3DN82E16811147107%26_ga%3D1.159334586.1206610632.1448268874)
EVGA Supernova 650 G2: http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00UVN20AO?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_1&smid=A1HU0UETW2PFPN (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00UVN20AO/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=390961&creativeASIN=B00UVN20AO&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu06-20)
Thermalright True Spirit 140 Rev. A: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/141769698201

Let me know if you need any more information. Also please let me know if there are any other stores or websites in Toronto that I can probably find cheaper prices for the parts! I've checked NCIX.ca, TigerDirect.ca, and CanadaComputers.com but they either don't have the part or aren't cheaper. Also I'm not too keen on waiting for Cyber Monday because I don't feel like the deals are that much better and delivery times are substantially longer.

Thanks guys!

Hey, that list looks really good. Just note that a couple of the products don't quite match the names from the build guide, as equivalent products available in Canada were provided as substitutes. You have Patriot's red low profile RAM instead of the similar Black Mamba RAM, and you have EVGA's 650GS PSU instead of the 650 G2. Both are great, and we've in fact used the 650 GS in one of our test builds.

Right  now, Amazon.ca still has a better price than Newegg.ca on the Sapphire Radeon 390X. Here's the link (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00ZGL8CFI/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=330641&creativeASIN=B00ZGL8CFI&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu06-20).

By the way, don't buy the Thermalright from eBay - it's not a good price. For around the same price, you can get far superior Noctua NH-U14S from Amazon.ca (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00C9FLSLY/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=330641&creativeASIN=B00C9FLSLY&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu06-20). It seems Thermalright doesn't have a real presence in Canada, so the prices aren't fair.

Overall, this is a great build for the price - the motherboard and case are particularly good deals right now for Black Friday.

Hey Ari,

Thank you for the quick reply! I thought I would get an email if someone responded but I didn't have that option selected in my account settings apparently. I went ahead and bought all the parts and put it together myself for the first time! Took almost a whole day but it was a fun project! I still got the RAM but I realized I was getting the wrong PSU, EVGA's 650GS, just before purchasing and got the EVGA's 650G2 which has been working amazing! Thank you guys so much for the build guide and help.

I just had one more question. My previous graphics card was a Sapphire Radeon R9 290 4GB Tri-X OC GPU. I was wondering if I could crossfire the Sapphire Radeon R9 390x 8GB Tri-X OC GPU with it and get a more powerful PSU or use my Corsair CX750M PSU to just power both GPUs. I've read articles stating that even though it's possible and there would be a slight improvement in FPS, the R9 290 would slow down the R9 390x because of the lower VRAM. Therefore it's not worth it. I'm completely new to crossfiring and I was hoping to get some advice. I was also thinking about purchasing another R9 390x and crossfire it with my current one. Would a different brand's R9 390x not work well with the Sapphire Radeon R9 390x 8GB Tri-X OC GPU? It was quite expensive especially in Toronto, Canada.

Thanks for all your help,

Romeo16

Romeo16,

Great to hear that your build came together - congrats on building your first PC! It probably won't be your last!

So here's the deal with Crossfire: you can definitely Crossfire the 290 with the 390x. It's awesome that you already had a 290 available (in fact, I might have suggested you just stick with that card rather than get a new 390X). The 290 is that good a card. But since you have both now, you can give Crossfire a try. The brand doesn't matter at all, whether it's two 390X cards or a mix of 290/390 cards.

Now, there are a couple of drawbacks to Crossfiring the 290 with the 390X. First, you lose the use of 4GB out of the 8GB on the 390X, meaning you're running the equivalent of two 4GB cards. That's plenty unless you're running at 4K, so it's not that big a deal. Second, your system will operate at a speed slightly better than two 290 cards, but worse than two 390X cards. Again, not a big deal, but you just have to set realistic expectations.

But the biggest problem is power draw. Your 650W unit is one of the best around, but it will be crushed immediately by trying to run that Crossfire setup. And while some 750W units could probably get by powering it, unfortunately your CX750M is not one of them. It doesn't have the reserves of a higher-end 750W unit (not all 750W are created equal).

And a closely related issue is heat output. Your Blackhawk case is about as good as they come in terms of airflow, but two open-air 290/390 cards produce a huge amount of heat. You would really have to monitor them closely, and potentially adjust the fan profiles to much higher levels.

So, all in all, this is what I'd suggest: use your system with just the 390X for a while, and if you decide it just doesn't have enough power for you, pick up at least an 850W power supply (the EVGA 850 G2 (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00IKDETOC/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=390961&creativeASIN=B00IKDETOC&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu06-20) is a great option), and add in your R9 290. Since you have it available, it really doesn't make sense to buy a new 390X just to try Crossfire out. You'll get something like 85% of the performance that you'd have with two 390X cards, so it will give you a taste of Crossfire. It will also show you what it's like to have two hot-running cards in your case. You may decide it's not for you, and you'll only be out the cost of the power supply. If you decide you really like it and want to run a 4K monitor in the future, you can always go for a 390X at that point to gain access to 8GB of VRAM.

Ari,

It definitely won't be my last! Thanks for helping me get started!

At the moment and I believe for the next year I will not be interested in 4K gaming. Right now I just want my FPS to be the best it can be at Ultra Graphics settings in 1920x1080 :). The Sapphire Radeon R9 390x Tri-X OC has been amazing but since I already have the The Sapphire Radeon R9 290 Tri-X OC, I've been curious about crossfiring them. For non 4K gaming if I don't need the extra 4GB VRAM on the R9 390x, that's fine with me as I'll have space to upgrade in the future. 85% of two R9 390xs sounds great for what I want :).

As for the heat, I know that can be a huge issue and I'm not ready to tackle liquid cooling for the GPUs. Are there any guides I can read on managing my fan profiles to keep the GPUs running at safe temperatures which I would assume would be around 50C at 100% usage? Also would MSI Afterburner be sufficient software to manage those fan profiles?

Have a look at this TBG article on open-air vs. blower coolers (http://techbuyersguru.com/video-card-comparison-blower-style-vs-open-air-coolers) to learn more about setting up your cards. In particular, skip to the end of the last page, where you'll find a tutorial on using MSI Afterburner. That's definitely the app to use. Note that you don't need to keep the temp at 50C. That would be very low. All GPUs are rated to run at up to 95C, but it's best to keep them under 80C if possible, because hotter temperatures lead to more current leakage which leads to a vicious circle of rising temps.

Note that for your setup, where both cards have equal coolers, you want the the hotter card (the 390X) in the lower slot, as the card in the first slot will naturally soak up heat from the lower card, and it might as well be the card that runs cooler to start with, otherwise it will thermally throttle faster.

Another thing to note - two cards will affect your CPU temperatures. Which CPU cooler did you end up going with? You may find that you'll need to increase its fan speed as well to compensate for the extra heat in the case.

I'll definitely read through that guide. I ended up getting the Thermalright True Spirit 140 BW Rev. A actually. I read your response after purchasing heh. Does MSI Afterburner control that fan as well since I have it plugged into my motherboard CPU Fan Header or just the GPU's fan? Sorry by lower slot you mean the slot closer to the Thermalright True Spirit 140 BW Rev. A or do you mean geographically lower when the desktop is standing therefore closer to the PSU?
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on December 05, 2015, 09:12:50 AM
Hi TechBuyersGuru,

I was just wondering if you guys could quickly scan the links for the items I am going to buy for this build to make sure I am buying the right items. I am buying from Toronto, Canada.

Here are the links where I found the computer parts for the most reasonable prices:

Gigabyte GA-Z97X-Gaming 5: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128709&cm_re=Gigabyte_GA-Z97X-Gaming_5-_-13-128-709-_-Product (http://www.jdoqocy.com/click-7120282-10657534-1429218932000?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newegg.ca%2FProduct%2FProduct.aspx%3FItem%3DN82E16813128709%26cm_re%3DGigabyte_GA-Z97X-Gaming_5-_-13-128-709-_-Product)
Sapphire Radeon R9 390X 8GB Tri-X: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202147&cm_re=Sapphire_Radeon_R9_390X_8GB_Tri-X-_-14-202-147-_-Product (http://www.jdoqocy.com/click-7120282-10657534-1429218932000?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newegg.ca%2FProduct%2FProduct.aspx%3FItem%3DN82E16814202147%26cm_re%3DSapphire_Radeon_R9_390X_8GB_Tri-X-_-14-202-147-_-Product)
Patriot 2x4GB Viper III DDR3 2133 Black Mamba: http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00FGNYFB6?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_2&smid=A26PVB3960EU85 (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00FGNYFB6/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=390961&creativeASIN=B00FGNYFB6&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu06-20)
Rosewill Blackhawk: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147107&_ga=1.159334586.1206610632.1448268874 (http://www.kqzyfj.com/click-7120282-10657534-1429218932000?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newegg.ca%2FProduct%2FProduct.aspx%3FItem%3DN82E16811147107%26_ga%3D1.159334586.1206610632.1448268874)
EVGA Supernova 650 G2: http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00UVN20AO?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_1&smid=A1HU0UETW2PFPN (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00UVN20AO/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=390961&creativeASIN=B00UVN20AO&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu06-20)
Thermalright True Spirit 140 Rev. A: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/141769698201

Let me know if you need any more information. Also please let me know if there are any other stores or websites in Toronto that I can probably find cheaper prices for the parts! I've checked NCIX.ca, TigerDirect.ca, and CanadaComputers.com but they either don't have the part or aren't cheaper. Also I'm not too keen on waiting for Cyber Monday because I don't feel like the deals are that much better and delivery times are substantially longer.

Thanks guys!

Hey, that list looks really good. Just note that a couple of the products don't quite match the names from the build guide, as equivalent products available in Canada were provided as substitutes. You have Patriot's red low profile RAM instead of the similar Black Mamba RAM, and you have EVGA's 650GS PSU instead of the 650 G2. Both are great, and we've in fact used the 650 GS in one of our test builds.

Right  now, Amazon.ca still has a better price than Newegg.ca on the Sapphire Radeon 390X. Here's the link (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00ZGL8CFI/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=330641&creativeASIN=B00ZGL8CFI&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu06-20).

By the way, don't buy the Thermalright from eBay - it's not a good price. For around the same price, you can get far superior Noctua NH-U14S from Amazon.ca (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00C9FLSLY/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=330641&creativeASIN=B00C9FLSLY&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu06-20). It seems Thermalright doesn't have a real presence in Canada, so the prices aren't fair.

Overall, this is a great build for the price - the motherboard and case are particularly good deals right now for Black Friday.

Hey Ari,

Thank you for the quick reply! I thought I would get an email if someone responded but I didn't have that option selected in my account settings apparently. I went ahead and bought all the parts and put it together myself for the first time! Took almost a whole day but it was a fun project! I still got the RAM but I realized I was getting the wrong PSU, EVGA's 650GS, just before purchasing and got the EVGA's 650G2 which has been working amazing! Thank you guys so much for the build guide and help.

I just had one more question. My previous graphics card was a Sapphire Radeon R9 290 4GB Tri-X OC GPU. I was wondering if I could crossfire the Sapphire Radeon R9 390x 8GB Tri-X OC GPU with it and get a more powerful PSU or use my Corsair CX750M PSU to just power both GPUs. I've read articles stating that even though it's possible and there would be a slight improvement in FPS, the R9 290 would slow down the R9 390x because of the lower VRAM. Therefore it's not worth it. I'm completely new to crossfiring and I was hoping to get some advice. I was also thinking about purchasing another R9 390x and crossfire it with my current one. Would a different brand's R9 390x not work well with the Sapphire Radeon R9 390x 8GB Tri-X OC GPU? It was quite expensive especially in Toronto, Canada.

Thanks for all your help,

Romeo16

Romeo16,

Great to hear that your build came together - congrats on building your first PC! It probably won't be your last!

So here's the deal with Crossfire: you can definitely Crossfire the 290 with the 390x. It's awesome that you already had a 290 available (in fact, I might have suggested you just stick with that card rather than get a new 390X). The 290 is that good a card. But since you have both now, you can give Crossfire a try. The brand doesn't matter at all, whether it's two 390X cards or a mix of 290/390 cards.

Now, there are a couple of drawbacks to Crossfiring the 290 with the 390X. First, you lose the use of 4GB out of the 8GB on the 390X, meaning you're running the equivalent of two 4GB cards. That's plenty unless you're running at 4K, so it's not that big a deal. Second, your system will operate at a speed slightly better than two 290 cards, but worse than two 390X cards. Again, not a big deal, but you just have to set realistic expectations.

But the biggest problem is power draw. Your 650W unit is one of the best around, but it will be crushed immediately by trying to run that Crossfire setup. And while some 750W units could probably get by powering it, unfortunately your CX750M is not one of them. It doesn't have the reserves of a higher-end 750W unit (not all 750W are created equal).

And a closely related issue is heat output. Your Blackhawk case is about as good as they come in terms of airflow, but two open-air 290/390 cards produce a huge amount of heat. You would really have to monitor them closely, and potentially adjust the fan profiles to much higher levels.

So, all in all, this is what I'd suggest: use your system with just the 390X for a while, and if you decide it just doesn't have enough power for you, pick up at least an 850W power supply (the EVGA 850 G2 (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00IKDETOC/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=390961&creativeASIN=B00IKDETOC&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu06-20) is a great option), and add in your R9 290. Since you have it available, it really doesn't make sense to buy a new 390X just to try Crossfire out. You'll get something like 85% of the performance that you'd have with two 390X cards, so it will give you a taste of Crossfire. It will also show you what it's like to have two hot-running cards in your case. You may decide it's not for you, and you'll only be out the cost of the power supply. If you decide you really like it and want to run a 4K monitor in the future, you can always go for a 390X at that point to gain access to 8GB of VRAM.

Ari,

It definitely won't be my last! Thanks for helping me get started!

At the moment and I believe for the next year I will not be interested in 4K gaming. Right now I just want my FPS to be the best it can be at Ultra Graphics settings in 1920x1080 :). The Sapphire Radeon R9 390x Tri-X OC has been amazing but since I already have the The Sapphire Radeon R9 290 Tri-X OC, I've been curious about crossfiring them. For non 4K gaming if I don't need the extra 4GB VRAM on the R9 390x, that's fine with me as I'll have space to upgrade in the future. 85% of two R9 390xs sounds great for what I want :).

As for the heat, I know that can be a huge issue and I'm not ready to tackle liquid cooling for the GPUs. Are there any guides I can read on managing my fan profiles to keep the GPUs running at safe temperatures which I would assume would be around 50C at 100% usage? Also would MSI Afterburner be sufficient software to manage those fan profiles?

Have a look at this TBG article on open-air vs. blower coolers (http://techbuyersguru.com/video-card-comparison-blower-style-vs-open-air-coolers) to learn more about setting up your cards. In particular, skip to the end of the last page, where you'll find a tutorial on using MSI Afterburner. That's definitely the app to use. Note that you don't need to keep the temp at 50C. That would be very low. All GPUs are rated to run at up to 95C, but it's best to keep them under 80C if possible, because hotter temperatures lead to more current leakage which leads to a vicious circle of rising temps.

Note that for your setup, where both cards have equal coolers, you want the the hotter card (the 390X) in the lower slot, as the card in the first slot will naturally soak up heat from the lower card, and it might as well be the card that runs cooler to start with, otherwise it will thermally throttle faster.

Another thing to note - two cards will affect your CPU temperatures. Which CPU cooler did you end up going with? You may find that you'll need to increase its fan speed as well to compensate for the extra heat in the case.

I'll definitely read through that guide. I ended up getting the Thermalright True Spirit 140 BW Rev. A actually. I read your response after purchasing heh. Does MSI Afterburner control that fan as well since I have it plugged into my motherboard CPU Fan Header or just the GPU's fan? Sorry by lower slot you mean the slot closer to the Thermalright True Spirit 140 BW Rev. A or do you mean geographically lower when the desktop is standing therefore closer to the PSU?

MSI Afterburner only controls video card fans. You'll either use settings in the UEFI or the utility package that comes with your motherboard to control your CPU fan.

As for slots, the hotter-running card (the 390X) should be closer to the PSU, with the cooler-running card (the 290) closer to the CPU. Also note that in a Crossfire configuration, the 390X will essentially throttle slightly as it tries to sync with the 290. That has the positive side effect of making it run a bit cooler.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Romeo16 on December 06, 2015, 10:41:13 AM
Hi TechBuyersGuru,

I was just wondering if you guys could quickly scan the links for the items I am going to buy for this build to make sure I am buying the right items. I am buying from Toronto, Canada.

Here are the links where I found the computer parts for the most reasonable prices:

Gigabyte GA-Z97X-Gaming 5: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128709&cm_re=Gigabyte_GA-Z97X-Gaming_5-_-13-128-709-_-Product (http://www.jdoqocy.com/click-7120282-10657534-1429218932000?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newegg.ca%2FProduct%2FProduct.aspx%3FItem%3DN82E16813128709%26cm_re%3DGigabyte_GA-Z97X-Gaming_5-_-13-128-709-_-Product)
Sapphire Radeon R9 390X 8GB Tri-X: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202147&cm_re=Sapphire_Radeon_R9_390X_8GB_Tri-X-_-14-202-147-_-Product (http://www.jdoqocy.com/click-7120282-10657534-1429218932000?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newegg.ca%2FProduct%2FProduct.aspx%3FItem%3DN82E16814202147%26cm_re%3DSapphire_Radeon_R9_390X_8GB_Tri-X-_-14-202-147-_-Product)
Patriot 2x4GB Viper III DDR3 2133 Black Mamba: http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00FGNYFB6?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_2&smid=A26PVB3960EU85 (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00FGNYFB6/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=390961&creativeASIN=B00FGNYFB6&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu06-20)
Rosewill Blackhawk: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147107&_ga=1.159334586.1206610632.1448268874 (http://www.kqzyfj.com/click-7120282-10657534-1429218932000?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newegg.ca%2FProduct%2FProduct.aspx%3FItem%3DN82E16811147107%26_ga%3D1.159334586.1206610632.1448268874)
EVGA Supernova 650 G2: http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00UVN20AO?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_1&smid=A1HU0UETW2PFPN (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00UVN20AO/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=390961&creativeASIN=B00UVN20AO&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu06-20)
Thermalright True Spirit 140 Rev. A: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/141769698201

Let me know if you need any more information. Also please let me know if there are any other stores or websites in Toronto that I can probably find cheaper prices for the parts! I've checked NCIX.ca, TigerDirect.ca, and CanadaComputers.com but they either don't have the part or aren't cheaper. Also I'm not too keen on waiting for Cyber Monday because I don't feel like the deals are that much better and delivery times are substantially longer.

Thanks guys!

Hey, that list looks really good. Just note that a couple of the products don't quite match the names from the build guide, as equivalent products available in Canada were provided as substitutes. You have Patriot's red low profile RAM instead of the similar Black Mamba RAM, and you have EVGA's 650GS PSU instead of the 650 G2. Both are great, and we've in fact used the 650 GS in one of our test builds.

Right  now, Amazon.ca still has a better price than Newegg.ca on the Sapphire Radeon 390X. Here's the link (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00ZGL8CFI/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=330641&creativeASIN=B00ZGL8CFI&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu06-20).

By the way, don't buy the Thermalright from eBay - it's not a good price. For around the same price, you can get far superior Noctua NH-U14S from Amazon.ca (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00C9FLSLY/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=330641&creativeASIN=B00C9FLSLY&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu06-20). It seems Thermalright doesn't have a real presence in Canada, so the prices aren't fair.

Overall, this is a great build for the price - the motherboard and case are particularly good deals right now for Black Friday.

Hey Ari,

Thank you for the quick reply! I thought I would get an email if someone responded but I didn't have that option selected in my account settings apparently. I went ahead and bought all the parts and put it together myself for the first time! Took almost a whole day but it was a fun project! I still got the RAM but I realized I was getting the wrong PSU, EVGA's 650GS, just before purchasing and got the EVGA's 650G2 which has been working amazing! Thank you guys so much for the build guide and help.

I just had one more question. My previous graphics card was a Sapphire Radeon R9 290 4GB Tri-X OC GPU. I was wondering if I could crossfire the Sapphire Radeon R9 390x 8GB Tri-X OC GPU with it and get a more powerful PSU or use my Corsair CX750M PSU to just power both GPUs. I've read articles stating that even though it's possible and there would be a slight improvement in FPS, the R9 290 would slow down the R9 390x because of the lower VRAM. Therefore it's not worth it. I'm completely new to crossfiring and I was hoping to get some advice. I was also thinking about purchasing another R9 390x and crossfire it with my current one. Would a different brand's R9 390x not work well with the Sapphire Radeon R9 390x 8GB Tri-X OC GPU? It was quite expensive especially in Toronto, Canada.

Thanks for all your help,

Romeo16

Romeo16,

Great to hear that your build came together - congrats on building your first PC! It probably won't be your last!

So here's the deal with Crossfire: you can definitely Crossfire the 290 with the 390x. It's awesome that you already had a 290 available (in fact, I might have suggested you just stick with that card rather than get a new 390X). The 290 is that good a card. But since you have both now, you can give Crossfire a try. The brand doesn't matter at all, whether it's two 390X cards or a mix of 290/390 cards.

Now, there are a couple of drawbacks to Crossfiring the 290 with the 390X. First, you lose the use of 4GB out of the 8GB on the 390X, meaning you're running the equivalent of two 4GB cards. That's plenty unless you're running at 4K, so it's not that big a deal. Second, your system will operate at a speed slightly better than two 290 cards, but worse than two 390X cards. Again, not a big deal, but you just have to set realistic expectations.

But the biggest problem is power draw. Your 650W unit is one of the best around, but it will be crushed immediately by trying to run that Crossfire setup. And while some 750W units could probably get by powering it, unfortunately your CX750M is not one of them. It doesn't have the reserves of a higher-end 750W unit (not all 750W are created equal).

And a closely related issue is heat output. Your Blackhawk case is about as good as they come in terms of airflow, but two open-air 290/390 cards produce a huge amount of heat. You would really have to monitor them closely, and potentially adjust the fan profiles to much higher levels.

So, all in all, this is what I'd suggest: use your system with just the 390X for a while, and if you decide it just doesn't have enough power for you, pick up at least an 850W power supply (the EVGA 850 G2 (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00IKDETOC/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=390961&creativeASIN=B00IKDETOC&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu06-20) is a great option), and add in your R9 290. Since you have it available, it really doesn't make sense to buy a new 390X just to try Crossfire out. You'll get something like 85% of the performance that you'd have with two 390X cards, so it will give you a taste of Crossfire. It will also show you what it's like to have two hot-running cards in your case. You may decide it's not for you, and you'll only be out the cost of the power supply. If you decide you really like it and want to run a 4K monitor in the future, you can always go for a 390X at that point to gain access to 8GB of VRAM.

Ari,

It definitely won't be my last! Thanks for helping me get started!

At the moment and I believe for the next year I will not be interested in 4K gaming. Right now I just want my FPS to be the best it can be at Ultra Graphics settings in 1920x1080 :). The Sapphire Radeon R9 390x Tri-X OC has been amazing but since I already have the The Sapphire Radeon R9 290 Tri-X OC, I've been curious about crossfiring them. For non 4K gaming if I don't need the extra 4GB VRAM on the R9 390x, that's fine with me as I'll have space to upgrade in the future. 85% of two R9 390xs sounds great for what I want :).

As for the heat, I know that can be a huge issue and I'm not ready to tackle liquid cooling for the GPUs. Are there any guides I can read on managing my fan profiles to keep the GPUs running at safe temperatures which I would assume would be around 50C at 100% usage? Also would MSI Afterburner be sufficient software to manage those fan profiles?

Have a look at this TBG article on open-air vs. blower coolers (http://techbuyersguru.com/video-card-comparison-blower-style-vs-open-air-coolers) to learn more about setting up your cards. In particular, skip to the end of the last page, where you'll find a tutorial on using MSI Afterburner. That's definitely the app to use. Note that you don't need to keep the temp at 50C. That would be very low. All GPUs are rated to run at up to 95C, but it's best to keep them under 80C if possible, because hotter temperatures lead to more current leakage which leads to a vicious circle of rising temps.

Note that for your setup, where both cards have equal coolers, you want the the hotter card (the 390X) in the lower slot, as the card in the first slot will naturally soak up heat from the lower card, and it might as well be the card that runs cooler to start with, otherwise it will thermally throttle faster.

Another thing to note - two cards will affect your CPU temperatures. Which CPU cooler did you end up going with? You may find that you'll need to increase its fan speed as well to compensate for the extra heat in the case.

I'll definitely read through that guide. I ended up getting the Thermalright True Spirit 140 BW Rev. A actually. I read your response after purchasing heh. Does MSI Afterburner control that fan as well since I have it plugged into my motherboard CPU Fan Header or just the GPU's fan? Sorry by lower slot you mean the slot closer to the Thermalright True Spirit 140 BW Rev. A or do you mean geographically lower when the desktop is standing therefore closer to the PSU?

MSI Afterburner only controls video card fans. You'll either use settings in the UEFI or the utility package that comes with your motherboard to control your CPU fan.

As for slots, the hotter-running card (the 390X) should be closer to the PSU, with the cooler-running card (the 290) closer to the CPU. Also note that in a Crossfire configuration, the 390X will essentially throttle slightly as it tries to sync with the 290. That has the positive side effect of making it run a bit cooler.

Okay I got the utility package setup. Currently I have two separate 8-pin (6+2) + 6-pin PCI-E Power Connectors connected to the PSU and the 390x because the EVGA 650 G2 PSU didn't come with any dual 8-pin PCI-E Power Connectors. I'm not sure if the EVGA 850 G2 PSU will come with one either. Does this make a difference with the performance of the 390x? I know that the 850 G2 PSU will have two extra GPU power slots so I can just connect another 8-pin (6+2) + 6-pin PCI-E Power Connector to that and the 290.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on December 06, 2015, 11:33:08 AM
Romeo16 - the arrangement of PCIe power cables doesn't affect performance at all. Most GPUs only require dual 6-pins or a 6-pin and an 8-pin. That's why the Supernova G2 is setup that way. The 390X is, quite literally, the most power-hungry video card on the market right now, so it uses the somewhat unusual dual 8-pin configuration.

The Supernova G2 850W does indeed have multiple dual 8-pin connectors. I know because it's what powers one of TBG's SLI test builds!
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Romeo16 on December 08, 2015, 11:31:43 AM
Romeo16 - the arrangement of PCIe power cables doesn't affect performance at all. Most GPUs only require dual 6-pins or a 6-pin and an 8-pin. That's why the Supernova G2 is setup that way. The 390X is, quite literally, the most power-hungry video card on the market right now, so it uses the somewhat unusual dual 8-pin configuration.

The Supernova G2 850W does indeed have multiple dual 8-pin connectors. I know because it's what powers one of TBG's SLI test builds!

Awesome :). So I just got the 850W PSU and I over clocked both the 290 and 390x. What I realized that my 290 actually runs hotter (in the same position) than the 390x so I'll be placing that lower. I was just wondering if I'll run into any problems installing the 290 on a PCIEx8 slot on the GA-Z97X Gaming 5 motherboard because there are no other PCIEx16 slots (sorry if that's a really noob question lol).
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on December 08, 2015, 12:03:12 PM
Romeo16 - the arrangement of PCIe power cables doesn't affect performance at all. Most GPUs only require dual 6-pins or a 6-pin and an 8-pin. That's why the Supernova G2 is setup that way. The 390X is, quite literally, the most power-hungry video card on the market right now, so it uses the somewhat unusual dual 8-pin configuration.

The Supernova G2 850W does indeed have multiple dual 8-pin connectors. I know because it's what powers one of TBG's SLI test builds!

Awesome :). So I just got the 850W PSU and I over clocked both the 290 and 390x. What I realized that my 290 actually runs hotter (in the same position) than the 390x so I'll be placing that lower. I was just wondering if I'll run into any problems installing the 290 on a PCIEx8 slot on the GA-Z97X Gaming 5 motherboard because there are no other PCIEx16 slots (sorry if that's a really noob question lol).

Glad to hear you got the 850 G2. It's an awesome power supply!

You say the 290 runs hotter in the top position, but do you mean on its own or with the 390X below it? Because that's a very big difference - the 390X is literally filling it with hot air. Make sure the 290 runs hotter on its own before switching the positions.

Your two cards will run at PCIe x8 3.0 on your Z97 board when in Crossfire, regardless of which of the two video card slots they are in.

Note that I'd strongly recommend you leave the 390X at stock speed and bring the 290 as close to 1100 core/6000 memory as you can. That will allow it to perform a bit closer to the 390X and reduce the system's need to balance unequal cards, which could lead to stuttering.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Romeo16 on December 08, 2015, 12:16:19 PM
Romeo16 - the arrangement of PCIe power cables doesn't affect performance at all. Most GPUs only require dual 6-pins or a 6-pin and an 8-pin. That's why the Supernova G2 is setup that way. The 390X is, quite literally, the most power-hungry video card on the market right now, so it uses the somewhat unusual dual 8-pin configuration.

The Supernova G2 850W does indeed have multiple dual 8-pin connectors. I know because it's what powers one of TBG's SLI test builds!

Awesome :). So I just got the 850W PSU and I over clocked both the 290 and 390x. What I realized that my 290 actually runs hotter (in the same position) than the 390x so I'll be placing that lower. I was just wondering if I'll run into any problems installing the 290 on a PCIEx8 slot on the GA-Z97X Gaming 5 motherboard because there are no other PCIEx16 slots (sorry if that's a really noob question lol).

Glad to hear you got the 850 G2. It's an awesome power supply!

You say the 290 runs hotter in the top position, but do you mean on its own or with the 390X below it? Because that's a very big difference - the 390X is literally filling it with hot air. Make sure the 290 runs hotter on its own before switching the positions.

Your two cards will run at PCIe x8 3.0 on your Z97 board when in Crossfire, regardless of which of the two video card slots they are in.

Note that I'd strongly recommend you leave the 390X at stock speed and bring the 290 as close to 1100 core/6000 memory as you can. That will allow it to perform a bit closer to the 390X and reduce the system's need to balance unequal cards, which could lead to stuttering.

Thanks!

Yeah I over clocked both cards separately (only one card in the desktop at a time). The 290 barely dropped below 50C even at no load while the 390x idled at 29C over clocked. The 290 would reach 80C quickly despite my high speed fan profile. I was barely able to get the 290 to 5400 memory without seeing graphical issues in Firestrike (quite possibly because I didn't uninstall the drivers for the 390x before installing the 290?). But the catalyst drivers automatically worked and recognized the 290.

Would I be able to reset the stock speeds on the 390x with both of the cards installed on MSI Afterburner?
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on December 08, 2015, 12:20:02 PM
Romeo16 - the arrangement of PCIe power cables doesn't affect performance at all. Most GPUs only require dual 6-pins or a 6-pin and an 8-pin. That's why the Supernova G2 is setup that way. The 390X is, quite literally, the most power-hungry video card on the market right now, so it uses the somewhat unusual dual 8-pin configuration.

The Supernova G2 850W does indeed have multiple dual 8-pin connectors. I know because it's what powers one of TBG's SLI test builds!

Awesome :). So I just got the 850W PSU and I over clocked both the 290 and 390x. What I realized that my 290 actually runs hotter (in the same position) than the 390x so I'll be placing that lower. I was just wondering if I'll run into any problems installing the 290 on a PCIEx8 slot on the GA-Z97X Gaming 5 motherboard because there are no other PCIEx16 slots (sorry if that's a really noob question lol).

Glad to hear you got the 850 G2. It's an awesome power supply!

You say the 290 runs hotter in the top position, but do you mean on its own or with the 390X below it? Because that's a very big difference - the 390X is literally filling it with hot air. Make sure the 290 runs hotter on its own before switching the positions.

Your two cards will run at PCIe x8 3.0 on your Z97 board when in Crossfire, regardless of which of the two video card slots they are in.

Note that I'd strongly recommend you leave the 390X at stock speed and bring the 290 as close to 1100 core/6000 memory as you can. That will allow it to perform a bit closer to the 390X and reduce the system's need to balance unequal cards, which could lead to stuttering.

Thanks!

Yeah I over clocked both cards separately (only one card in the desktop at a time). The 290 barely dropped below 50C even at no load while the 390x idled at 29C over clocked. The 290 would reach 80C quickly despite my high speed fan profile. I was barely able to get the 290 to 5400 memory without seeing graphical issues in Firestrike (quite possibly because I didn't uninstall the drivers for the 390x before installing the 290?). But the catalyst drivers automatically worked and recognized the 290.

Would I be able to reset the stock speeds on the 390x with both of the cards installed on MSI Afterburner?

Yes, you should be able to independently set the speed of both cards using Afterburner. If the 290 can't do over 5400 on the memory, just focus on core - you may be able to hit 1050 on it without increasing temperatures much, and without extra voltage.

And it does sound like your 290 runs a bit hot, so putting it in the lower slot might be a good idea.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Romeo16 on December 08, 2015, 05:32:28 PM
Romeo16 - the arrangement of PCIe power cables doesn't affect performance at all. Most GPUs only require dual 6-pins or a 6-pin and an 8-pin. That's why the Supernova G2 is setup that way. The 390X is, quite literally, the most power-hungry video card on the market right now, so it uses the somewhat unusual dual 8-pin configuration.

The Supernova G2 850W does indeed have multiple dual 8-pin connectors. I know because it's what powers one of TBG's SLI test builds!

Awesome :). So I just got the 850W PSU and I over clocked both the 290 and 390x. What I realized that my 290 actually runs hotter (in the same position) than the 390x so I'll be placing that lower. I was just wondering if I'll run into any problems installing the 290 on a PCIEx8 slot on the GA-Z97X Gaming 5 motherboard because there are no other PCIEx16 slots (sorry if that's a really noob question lol).

Glad to hear you got the 850 G2. It's an awesome power supply!

You say the 290 runs hotter in the top position, but do you mean on its own or with the 390X below it? Because that's a very big difference - the 390X is literally filling it with hot air. Make sure the 290 runs hotter on its own before switching the positions.

Your two cards will run at PCIe x8 3.0 on your Z97 board when in Crossfire, regardless of which of the two video card slots they are in.

Note that I'd strongly recommend you leave the 390X at stock speed and bring the 290 as close to 1100 core/6000 memory as you can. That will allow it to perform a bit closer to the 390X and reduce the system's need to balance unequal cards, which could lead to stuttering.

Thanks!

Yeah I over clocked both cards separately (only one card in the desktop at a time). The 290 barely dropped below 50C even at no load while the 390x idled at 29C over clocked. The 290 would reach 80C quickly despite my high speed fan profile. I was barely able to get the 290 to 5400 memory without seeing graphical issues in Firestrike (quite possibly because I didn't uninstall the drivers for the 390x before installing the 290?). But the catalyst drivers automatically worked and recognized the 290.

Would I be able to reset the stock speeds on the 390x with both of the cards installed on MSI Afterburner?

Yes, you should be able to independently set the speed of both cards using Afterburner. If the 290 can't do over 5400 on the memory, just focus on core - you may be able to hit 1050 on it without increasing temperatures much, and without extra voltage.

And it does sound like your 290 runs a bit hot, so putting it in the lower slot might be a good idea.

Ari,

I just wanted to say thank you so much for the constant help in building my first desktop. Everything is up and running smoothly. Your guides on how to put together a high end gaming PC build and overclocking were extremely helpful. Thanks to your build advice and extra help in the forum I was able to get a 17576 Score on 3D Mark's Firestrike 1.1!

Sincerely,

Romeo16
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on December 08, 2015, 07:12:05 PM

Ari,

I just wanted to say thank you so much for the constant help in building my first desktop. Everything is up and running smoothly. Your guides on how to put together a high end gaming PC build and overclocking were extremely helpful. Thanks to your build advice and extra help in the forum I was able to get a 17576 Score on 3D Mark's Firestrike 1.1!

Sincerely,

Romeo16

Congrats on the awesome build. That is a fantastic score - your CPU and Crossfire setup are definitely working great!

By the way, it would be great to feature a Crossfire system to The TBG Gallery (http://techbuyersguru.com/gallery). If you'd like to have your system added, just send along a few photos to theguru@techbuyersguru.com.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Romeo16 on December 09, 2015, 02:56:41 PM

Ari,

I just wanted to say thank you so much for the constant help in building my first desktop. Everything is up and running smoothly. Your guides on how to put together a high end gaming PC build and overclocking were extremely helpful. Thanks to your build advice and extra help in the forum I was able to get a 17576 Score on 3D Mark's Firestrike 1.1!

Sincerely,

Romeo16

Congrats on the awesome build. That is a fantastic score - your CPU and Crossfire setup are definitely working great!

By the way, it would be great to feature a Crossfire system to The TBG Gallery (http://techbuyersguru.com/gallery). If you'd like to have your system added, just send along a few photos to theguru@techbuyersguru.com.

I'll definitely send some pictures for the gallery :D.

I was wondering if you could help me overclock the Intel i7-4790K CPU on the GA-Z97X Gaming 5 Motherboard or  if you could link me a straightforward guide. I tried to follow the one on the guide, "The PC Builder's Guides: Assembling an Ultra-High-End PC," but I wasn't sure what was what since the names differ for the different motherboards.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on December 09, 2015, 03:10:16 PM

Ari,

I just wanted to say thank you so much for the constant help in building my first desktop. Everything is up and running smoothly. Your guides on how to put together a high end gaming PC build and overclocking were extremely helpful. Thanks to your build advice and extra help in the forum I was able to get a 17576 Score on 3D Mark's Firestrike 1.1!

Sincerely,

Romeo16

Congrats on the awesome build. That is a fantastic score - your CPU and Crossfire setup are definitely working great!

By the way, it would be great to feature a Crossfire system to The TBG Gallery (http://techbuyersguru.com/gallery). If you'd like to have your system added, just send along a few photos to theguru@techbuyersguru.com.

I'll definitely send some pictures for the gallery :D.

I was wondering if you could help me overclock the Intel i7-4790K CPU on the GA-Z97X Gaming 5 Motherboard or  if you could link me a straightforward guide. I tried to follow the one on the guide, "The PC Builder's Guides: Assembling an Ultra-High-End PC," but I wasn't sure what was what since the names differ for the different motherboards.

The good news (or the bad news depending on your perspective) is that the 4790K comes clocked from the factory very close to its limit. It operates at 4.2GHz under a quad-core load and 4.4GHz under a single-core load (which is very rare, by the way). It should be able to approach 4.7GHz on a quad-core load with some tweaking. You can achieve the same effect by enabling "Multi-Core Enhancement" in the Gigabyte UEFI.  Gigabyte may have a slightly different name for it, but essentially it just runs the cores at full speed regardless of load, and full speed is 4.4GHz. To determine what speed your cores are operating at, download CPU-Z (http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html), use the "bench" tab to simulate a quad-core load, and then flip over to the main tab to see what speed the CPU is operating at during the test.

The next thing to try is manually setting the core ratio on all cores. If 4.4GHz works via multi-core enhancement, try 45, and then 46. You'll eventually need to increase  "vcore" voltage manually, although the board will provide some automatic increases to start with that should get you part way there. Playing with voltage is a trial-and-error process, and no two CPUs behave the same way. That means no guide can tell you exactly what numbers to input. I'd suggest you give stock voltage overclocking a try before you go any further.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Romeo16 on December 09, 2015, 11:58:04 PM

Ari,

I just wanted to say thank you so much for the constant help in building my first desktop. Everything is up and running smoothly. Your guides on how to put together a high end gaming PC build and overclocking were extremely helpful. Thanks to your build advice and extra help in the forum I was able to get a 17576 Score on 3D Mark's Firestrike 1.1!

Sincerely,

Romeo16

Congrats on the awesome build. That is a fantastic score - your CPU and Crossfire setup are definitely working great!

By the way, it would be great to feature a Crossfire system to The TBG Gallery (http://techbuyersguru.com/gallery). If you'd like to have your system added, just send along a few photos to theguru@techbuyersguru.com.

I'll definitely send some pictures for the gallery :D.

I was wondering if you could help me overclock the Intel i7-4790K CPU on the GA-Z97X Gaming 5 Motherboard or  if you could link me a straightforward guide. I tried to follow the one on the guide, "The PC Builder's Guides: Assembling an Ultra-High-End PC," but I wasn't sure what was what since the names differ for the different motherboards.

The good news (or the bad news depending on your perspective) is that the 4790K comes clocked from the factory very close to its limit. It operates at 4.2GHz under a quad-core load and 4.4GHz under a single-core load (which is very rare, by the way). It should be able to approach 4.7GHz on a quad-core load with some tweaking. You can achieve the same effect by enabling "Multi-Core Enhancement" in the Gigabyte UEFI.  Gigabyte may have a slightly different name for it, but essentially it just runs the cores at full speed regardless of load, and full speed is 4.4GHz. To determine what speed your cores are operating at, download CPU-Z (http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html), use the "bench" tab to simulate a quad-core load, and then flip over to the main tab to see what speed the CPU is operating at during the test.

The next thing to try is manually setting the core ratio on all cores. If 4.4GHz works via multi-core enhancement, try 45, and then 46. You'll eventually need to increase  "vcore" voltage manually, although the board will provide some automatic increases to start with that should get you part way there. Playing with voltage is a trial-and-error process, and no two CPUs behave the same way. That means no guide can tell you exactly what numbers to input. I'd suggest you give stock voltage overclocking a try before you go any further.

I was unable to find "Multi-Core Enhancement" in the Gigabyte UEFI but I was able to set my Core Ratio to 45 and keep it stable and under 83C. I also seemed to be able to get my Core Ratio to 46 with a Vcore of 1.265V and a VRIN of 1.670V with a max temperature of 85C with an average of 51C. I was able to pass a stress and benchmark test in Intel Extreme Tuning Utility. Is this safe? I highly doubt at this point I can push a Core Ratio of 47 without better cooling :).
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on December 10, 2015, 03:07:06 AM

Ari,

I just wanted to say thank you so much for the constant help in building my first desktop. Everything is up and running smoothly. Your guides on how to put together a high end gaming PC build and overclocking were extremely helpful. Thanks to your build advice and extra help in the forum I was able to get a 17576 Score on 3D Mark's Firestrike 1.1!

Sincerely,

Romeo16

Congrats on the awesome build. That is a fantastic score - your CPU and Crossfire setup are definitely working great!

By the way, it would be great to feature a Crossfire system to The TBG Gallery (http://techbuyersguru.com/gallery). If you'd like to have your system added, just send along a few photos to theguru@techbuyersguru.com.

I'll definitely send some pictures for the gallery :D.

I was wondering if you could help me overclock the Intel i7-4790K CPU on the GA-Z97X Gaming 5 Motherboard or  if you could link me a straightforward guide. I tried to follow the one on the guide, "The PC Builder's Guides: Assembling an Ultra-High-End PC," but I wasn't sure what was what since the names differ for the different motherboards.

The good news (or the bad news depending on your perspective) is that the 4790K comes clocked from the factory very close to its limit. It operates at 4.2GHz under a quad-core load and 4.4GHz under a single-core load (which is very rare, by the way). It should be able to approach 4.7GHz on a quad-core load with some tweaking. You can achieve the same effect by enabling "Multi-Core Enhancement" in the Gigabyte UEFI.  Gigabyte may have a slightly different name for it, but essentially it just runs the cores at full speed regardless of load, and full speed is 4.4GHz. To determine what speed your cores are operating at, download CPU-Z (http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html), use the "bench" tab to simulate a quad-core load, and then flip over to the main tab to see what speed the CPU is operating at during the test.

The next thing to try is manually setting the core ratio on all cores. If 4.4GHz works via multi-core enhancement, try 45, and then 46. You'll eventually need to increase  "vcore" voltage manually, although the board will provide some automatic increases to start with that should get you part way there. Playing with voltage is a trial-and-error process, and no two CPUs behave the same way. That means no guide can tell you exactly what numbers to input. I'd suggest you give stock voltage overclocking a try before you go any further.

I was unable to find "Multi-Core Enhancement" in the Gigabyte UEFI but I was able to set my Core Ratio to 45 and keep it stable and under 83C. I also seemed to be able to get my Core Ratio to 46 with a Vcore of 1.265V and a VRIN of 1.670V with a max temperature of 85C with an average of 51C. I was able to pass a stress and benchmark test in Intel Extreme Tuning Utility. Is this safe? I highly doubt at this point I can push a Core Ratio of 47 without better cooling :).

Those temperatures are actually pretty good for a stress test. If you can get to 4.7 with under 1.3V, it might be worth a try. As long as it's under 100C during a stress test, it's OK. During gaming or other activities, it will be much lower.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Romeo16 on December 10, 2015, 12:37:25 PM

Ari,

I just wanted to say thank you so much for the constant help in building my first desktop. Everything is up and running smoothly. Your guides on how to put together a high end gaming PC build and overclocking were extremely helpful. Thanks to your build advice and extra help in the forum I was able to get a 17576 Score on 3D Mark's Firestrike 1.1!

Sincerely,

Romeo16

Congrats on the awesome build. That is a fantastic score - your CPU and Crossfire setup are definitely working great!

By the way, it would be great to feature a Crossfire system to The TBG Gallery (http://techbuyersguru.com/gallery). If you'd like to have your system added, just send along a few photos to theguru@techbuyersguru.com.

I'll definitely send some pictures for the gallery :D.

I was wondering if you could help me overclock the Intel i7-4790K CPU on the GA-Z97X Gaming 5 Motherboard or  if you could link me a straightforward guide. I tried to follow the one on the guide, "The PC Builder's Guides: Assembling an Ultra-High-End PC," but I wasn't sure what was what since the names differ for the different motherboards.

The good news (or the bad news depending on your perspective) is that the 4790K comes clocked from the factory very close to its limit. It operates at 4.2GHz under a quad-core load and 4.4GHz under a single-core load (which is very rare, by the way). It should be able to approach 4.7GHz on a quad-core load with some tweaking. You can achieve the same effect by enabling "Multi-Core Enhancement" in the Gigabyte UEFI.  Gigabyte may have a slightly different name for it, but essentially it just runs the cores at full speed regardless of load, and full speed is 4.4GHz. To determine what speed your cores are operating at, download CPU-Z (http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html), use the "bench" tab to simulate a quad-core load, and then flip over to the main tab to see what speed the CPU is operating at during the test.

The next thing to try is manually setting the core ratio on all cores. If 4.4GHz works via multi-core enhancement, try 45, and then 46. You'll eventually need to increase  "vcore" voltage manually, although the board will provide some automatic increases to start with that should get you part way there. Playing with voltage is a trial-and-error process, and no two CPUs behave the same way. That means no guide can tell you exactly what numbers to input. I'd suggest you give stock voltage overclocking a try before you go any further.

I was unable to find "Multi-Core Enhancement" in the Gigabyte UEFI but I was able to set my Core Ratio to 45 and keep it stable and under 83C. I also seemed to be able to get my Core Ratio to 46 with a Vcore of 1.265V and a VRIN of 1.670V with a max temperature of 85C with an average of 51C. I was able to pass a stress and benchmark test in Intel Extreme Tuning Utility. Is this safe? I highly doubt at this point I can push a Core Ratio of 47 without better cooling :).

Those temperatures are actually pretty good for a stress test. If you can get to 4.7 with under 1.3V, it might be worth a try. As long as it's under 100C during a stress test, it's OK. During gaming or other activities, it will be much lower.

I've been able to find a stable state with a Core Ratio of 47 with a Vcore of 1.35V, VRIN of 1.65V, and RING Voltage of 1.3V. The temperatures in the Intel Extreme Tuning Utility Benchmark and Stress Tests only had 1% Thermal Throttling a couple times. The Core Temperature does get up to 90C during playing Witcher 3 and I'm not sure if that's good for long term use. However it can't last 5 seconds on an Intel Burn test without high Thermal Throttling. Any advice on how I can configure this? I'm using the Gigabyte System Information Viewer Smart Fan Performance setting to regulate the Thermalright True Spirit 140 BW. I'm not sure if there are better setups to get the most out of the fan. I'm more than happy sticking to 4.6GHz so that I don't damage my system :). Do you think I should just stick with the 4.6GHz setup to be safe?
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on December 10, 2015, 04:10:03 PM

Ari,

I just wanted to say thank you so much for the constant help in building my first desktop. Everything is up and running smoothly. Your guides on how to put together a high end gaming PC build and overclocking were extremely helpful. Thanks to your build advice and extra help in the forum I was able to get a 17576 Score on 3D Mark's Firestrike 1.1!

Sincerely,

Romeo16

Congrats on the awesome build. That is a fantastic score - your CPU and Crossfire setup are definitely working great!

By the way, it would be great to feature a Crossfire system to The TBG Gallery (http://techbuyersguru.com/gallery). If you'd like to have your system added, just send along a few photos to theguru@techbuyersguru.com.

I'll definitely send some pictures for the gallery :D.

I was wondering if you could help me overclock the Intel i7-4790K CPU on the GA-Z97X Gaming 5 Motherboard or  if you could link me a straightforward guide. I tried to follow the one on the guide, "The PC Builder's Guides: Assembling an Ultra-High-End PC," but I wasn't sure what was what since the names differ for the different motherboards.

The good news (or the bad news depending on your perspective) is that the 4790K comes clocked from the factory very close to its limit. It operates at 4.2GHz under a quad-core load and 4.4GHz under a single-core load (which is very rare, by the way). It should be able to approach 4.7GHz on a quad-core load with some tweaking. You can achieve the same effect by enabling "Multi-Core Enhancement" in the Gigabyte UEFI.  Gigabyte may have a slightly different name for it, but essentially it just runs the cores at full speed regardless of load, and full speed is 4.4GHz. To determine what speed your cores are operating at, download CPU-Z (http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html), use the "bench" tab to simulate a quad-core load, and then flip over to the main tab to see what speed the CPU is operating at during the test.

The next thing to try is manually setting the core ratio on all cores. If 4.4GHz works via multi-core enhancement, try 45, and then 46. You'll eventually need to increase  "vcore" voltage manually, although the board will provide some automatic increases to start with that should get you part way there. Playing with voltage is a trial-and-error process, and no two CPUs behave the same way. That means no guide can tell you exactly what numbers to input. I'd suggest you give stock voltage overclocking a try before you go any further.

I was unable to find "Multi-Core Enhancement" in the Gigabyte UEFI but I was able to set my Core Ratio to 45 and keep it stable and under 83C. I also seemed to be able to get my Core Ratio to 46 with a Vcore of 1.265V and a VRIN of 1.670V with a max temperature of 85C with an average of 51C. I was able to pass a stress and benchmark test in Intel Extreme Tuning Utility. Is this safe? I highly doubt at this point I can push a Core Ratio of 47 without better cooling :).

Those temperatures are actually pretty good for a stress test. If you can get to 4.7 with under 1.3V, it might be worth a try. As long as it's under 100C during a stress test, it's OK. During gaming or other activities, it will be much lower.

I've been able to find a stable state with a Core Ratio of 47 with a Vcore of 1.35V, VRIN of 1.65V, and RING Voltage of 1.3V. The temperatures in the Intel Extreme Tuning Utility Benchmark and Stress Tests only had 1% Thermal Throttling a couple times. The Core Temperature does get up to 90C during playing Witcher 3 and I'm not sure if that's good for long term use. However it can't last 5 seconds on an Intel Burn test without high Thermal Throttling. Any advice on how I can configure this? I'm using the Gigabyte System Information Viewer Smart Fan Performance setting to regulate the Thermalright True Spirit 140 BW. I'm not sure if there are better setups to get the most out of the fan. I'm more than happy sticking to 4.6GHz so that I don't damage my system :). Do you think I should just stick with the 4.6GHz setup to be safe?

Sounds like you're well beyond the thermal limits of your cooler. 90C while gaming is too high in my opinion, and if you're hitting the throttle threshold in IBT within seconds, no amount of tweaking the fan settings will bring it under control. Simply put, 1.35V is a lot of voltage to use with air cooling.

I don't think you'll notice any difference sticking with 4.6GHz, but if you're really interested in pushing the overclocking limits, you'll want to invest in a good 240mm or 280mm liquid cooler.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Romeo16 on December 10, 2015, 06:23:54 PM

Ari,

I just wanted to say thank you so much for the constant help in building my first desktop. Everything is up and running smoothly. Your guides on how to put together a high end gaming PC build and overclocking were extremely helpful. Thanks to your build advice and extra help in the forum I was able to get a 17576 Score on 3D Mark's Firestrike 1.1!

Sincerely,

Romeo16

Congrats on the awesome build. That is a fantastic score - your CPU and Crossfire setup are definitely working great!

By the way, it would be great to feature a Crossfire system to The TBG Gallery (http://techbuyersguru.com/gallery). If you'd like to have your system added, just send along a few photos to theguru@techbuyersguru.com.

I'll definitely send some pictures for the gallery :D.

I was wondering if you could help me overclock the Intel i7-4790K CPU on the GA-Z97X Gaming 5 Motherboard or  if you could link me a straightforward guide. I tried to follow the one on the guide, "The PC Builder's Guides: Assembling an Ultra-High-End PC," but I wasn't sure what was what since the names differ for the different motherboards.

The good news (or the bad news depending on your perspective) is that the 4790K comes clocked from the factory very close to its limit. It operates at 4.2GHz under a quad-core load and 4.4GHz under a single-core load (which is very rare, by the way). It should be able to approach 4.7GHz on a quad-core load with some tweaking. You can achieve the same effect by enabling "Multi-Core Enhancement" in the Gigabyte UEFI.  Gigabyte may have a slightly different name for it, but essentially it just runs the cores at full speed regardless of load, and full speed is 4.4GHz. To determine what speed your cores are operating at, download CPU-Z (http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html), use the "bench" tab to simulate a quad-core load, and then flip over to the main tab to see what speed the CPU is operating at during the test.

The next thing to try is manually setting the core ratio on all cores. If 4.4GHz works via multi-core enhancement, try 45, and then 46. You'll eventually need to increase  "vcore" voltage manually, although the board will provide some automatic increases to start with that should get you part way there. Playing with voltage is a trial-and-error process, and no two CPUs behave the same way. That means no guide can tell you exactly what numbers to input. I'd suggest you give stock voltage overclocking a try before you go any further.

I was unable to find "Multi-Core Enhancement" in the Gigabyte UEFI but I was able to set my Core Ratio to 45 and keep it stable and under 83C. I also seemed to be able to get my Core Ratio to 46 with a Vcore of 1.265V and a VRIN of 1.670V with a max temperature of 85C with an average of 51C. I was able to pass a stress and benchmark test in Intel Extreme Tuning Utility. Is this safe? I highly doubt at this point I can push a Core Ratio of 47 without better cooling :).

Those temperatures are actually pretty good for a stress test. If you can get to 4.7 with under 1.3V, it might be worth a try. As long as it's under 100C during a stress test, it's OK. During gaming or other activities, it will be much lower.

I've been able to find a stable state with a Core Ratio of 47 with a Vcore of 1.35V, VRIN of 1.65V, and RING Voltage of 1.3V. The temperatures in the Intel Extreme Tuning Utility Benchmark and Stress Tests only had 1% Thermal Throttling a couple times. The Core Temperature does get up to 90C during playing Witcher 3 and I'm not sure if that's good for long term use. However it can't last 5 seconds on an Intel Burn test without high Thermal Throttling. Any advice on how I can configure this? I'm using the Gigabyte System Information Viewer Smart Fan Performance setting to regulate the Thermalright True Spirit 140 BW. I'm not sure if there are better setups to get the most out of the fan. I'm more than happy sticking to 4.6GHz so that I don't damage my system :). Do you think I should just stick with the 4.6GHz setup to be safe?

Sounds like you're well beyond the thermal limits of your cooler. 90C while gaming is too high in my opinion, and if you're hitting the throttle threshold in IBT within seconds, no amount of tweaking the fan settings will bring it under control. Simply put, 1.35V is a lot of voltage to use with air cooling.

I don't think you'll notice any difference sticking with 4.6GHz, but if you're really interested in pushing the overclocking limits, you'll want to invest in a god 240mm or 280mm liquid cooler.

Yeah I was more curious to test the limits of my new desktop build but it is already more than what I would need for a good while. Thanks again for the help and sorry for all the questions lol.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Commissar.shorn on December 16, 2015, 11:56:41 AM
Hey guys, I bought every part layed out in the build but I'm having trouble. SSD drive is good ram is good and the processor is running, including the fans both for the CPU and case. My internal hard drive, optical drive, nor my GPU isn't registering on my computer. I know for sure that my GPU doesn't even turn on. ITs plugged it. I put the sata cables in the (0,1) port. I suspect that the PSU that was  put on this list isn't enough. The gpu requires two 8pin connectors. Any help?  Im typing this reply from the same computer.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on December 16, 2015, 04:10:23 PM
Hey guys, I bought every part layed out in the build but I'm having trouble. SSD drive is good ram is good and the processor is running, including the fans both for the CPU and case. My internal hard drive, optical drive, nor my GPU isn't registering on my computer. I know for sure that my GPU doesn't even turn on. ITs plugged it. I put the sata cables in the (0,1) port. I suspect that the PSU that was  put on this list isn't enough. The gpu requires two 8pin connectors. Any help?  Im typing this reply from the same computer.

Welcome to the forum, Commissar.shorn!

Sounds like you have some cabling or initialization problems. The power supply is most definitely sufficient to run it, and even if it weren't, the issues you describe are not what would occur.

Clearly the PC is running as you typed from it, so let's get each additional component running one at a time:
(1) the hard drive needs to be initialized and then formatted. You do this by typing "Disk Management" into the Windows 10 search bar. You should then see your hard drive as one of the listed drives (assuming it is properly connected). You then right-click to initialize it, and then format it.

(2) the optical drive does not need to be initialized, so this is likely a cable problem. It requires a SATA power cable as well as a SATA data cable, which you should probably plug into SATA port 2 or 3, to keep it separate from the SSD and hard drive, which should be in 0 and 1. You mentioned that you only used two ports, but you needed to use three, so one of your drives isn't connected, likely the optical drive.

(3) the video card should be installed in the full-length PCIe slot closest to the CPU. It needs to be snapped in, with rear-panel screws affixed, and then you'll need to fully insert two 6+2-pin power connectors. These can be hard to install correctly, so make sure they really do snap in. Then switch your video cable from the motherboard (which you must be using now if you're typing on the PC) to the video card output panel. If it still doesn't work, post back here.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Gambetto on January 28, 2016, 01:59:31 AM
Hi TBG,

I've been doing a LOT of research for my first build and the more I research the more questions I seem to have. My build would be for game design in the Unreal engine, audio production (often orchestral - which requires loads of RAM) and audio implementation into games via middleware like Wwise. I'm currently using a laptop which is just no match for my tasks. I'm trying to stay around 1.5K. Not concerned about 4K at the moment.

This is my proposed build, please let me know if it looks good:

i7-4790K Processor
CM Hyper 212 EVO Cooler
ASUS Z97-A
Samsung 850 Evo 512GB
Seagate Barracuda 1TB
MSI GTX 980 Gaming 4G
Kingston Hyper X Fury Black - 2x8
EVGA Supernova 650 G2
Phanteks Enthoo Pro

Q1. Is the 4790k a safer bet than the 6600k for my needs? I imagine the extra cores help in the game engine but wouldn't buying a skylake be a safer investment for the future?

Q2. is the CM hyper 212 EVO fine for this rig, or do I need to be purchasing something more expensive like the Macho Rev B or NH-U12S?

Q3. Is there a big difference between the Samsung 850 evo and pro? At least enough to warrant a $60 difference.

Q4. How much quicker is an internal HDD than just plugging in an external HDD, I keep all my music samples on them and its important this connection is fast.

Sorry for the looong post. I've just been researching for so long and would like your opinion. Thankyou!

Adam
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on January 28, 2016, 06:21:40 AM
Hi TBG,

I've been doing a LOT of research for my first build and the more I research the more questions I seem to have. My build would be for game design in the Unreal engine, audio production (often orchestral - which requires loads of RAM) and audio implementation into games via middleware like Wwise. I'm currently using a laptop which is just no match for my tasks. I'm trying to stay around 1.5K. Not concerned about 4K at the moment.

This is my proposed build, please let me know if it looks good:

i7-4790K Processor
CM Hyper 212 EVO Cooler
ASUS Z97-A
Samsung 850 Evo 512GB
Seagate Barracuda 1TB
MSI GTX 980 Gaming 4G
Kingston Hyper X Fury Black - 2x8
EVGA Supernova 650 G2
Phanteks Enthoo Pro

Q1. Is the 4790k a safer bet than the 6600k for my needs? I imagine the extra cores help in the game engine but wouldn't buying a skylake be a safer investment for the future?

Q2. is the CM hyper 212 EVO fine for this rig, or do I need to be purchasing something more expensive like the Macho Rev B or NH-U12S?

Q3. Is there a big difference between the Samsung 850 evo and pro? At least enough to warrant a $60 difference.

Q4. How much quicker is an internal HDD than just plugging in an external HDD, I keep all my music samples on them and its important this connection is fast.

Sorry for the looong post. I've just been researching for so long and would like your opinion. Thankyou!

Adam

Welcome to the TBG Forum, Gambetto!

Yes, that's a "looong post," but it's full of great questions!

First off, if you'll be using the UE3 engine, you may want to know that based on TBG's testing, the engine does not respond positively to Hyperthreading used on the Core i7 chip. See the benchmarks of Bioshock and Batman in this article (http://techbuyersguru.com/best-gaming-cpus-pentium-vs-core-i3-vs-core-i5-vs-core-i7) to learn more. TBG has not yet tested the UE4 engine, and if that's what you'll be working with, HT may indeed be useful to work with.

Assuming you want to be able to test your game designs with Hyperthreading, the Core i7-4790K (http://techbuyersguru.com/best-gaming-cpus-pentium-vs-core-i3-vs-core-i5-vs-core-i7) is by far your best bet in terms of quad-cores, coming in at least $60 less than the Core i7-6700K. The newer chip won't give you access to any enhancements that would be significant to your work.

As for the rest of your build, I would just provide a few comments:

(1) you may wish to go with a quieter cooler than the Hyper 212 Evo, given your audio production work. To learn more about the best coolers at every price point, check out the CPU Cooler Buyer's Guide (http://techbuyersguru.com/cpu-cooler-buyers-guide).

(2) I'm not sure which specific Kingston RAM kit you were referring to, but typically Kingston markets RAM with weaker timings than competing solutions at the same pricepoint. I'd definitely focus in on the models listed in the current $1,500 Buyer's Guide.

(3) You listed the 850 Evo 512GB as your preferred SSD, but I believe you were referring to the 850 Evo 500GB (http://). As to the performance benefits of the much more expensive 850 Pro 512GB (http://amzn.to/1nAy5qX), I would say they are minimal for your purposes, and not worth the expense given your target budget.

(4) External hard drives using USB 3.0 connections (not USB 2.0!) are just as quick as internal models, assuming they are in fact leveraging the same drive mechanism. I would note that the Seagate Barracuda (http://amzn.to/1PD20Vm) that you listed is a 7200RPM model, and as far as I know there are no external 3.5"-based hard drives that use such internals, due to thermal considerations. You could of course build your own using a 3.5" enclosure, but you'd want to be very careful about temperature regulation given your obvious need for data integrity. You may in fact want to consider going with either a 7200RPM 2.5"-based drive such as the HGST TravelStar 1TB (http://amzn.to/1nAzrBR) or a 5400RPM 3.5" drive such as the Western Digital 2TB Blue (http://amzn.to/1PD2cUw). They'll work much better in an external enclosure than the Barracuda, while offering nearly the same performance. They may even be preferable when run inside a case, as they're much quieter than the Barracuda or other 7200RPM 3.5" drives.

By the way, since you've just registered for the Forum, you might want to sign up for the TBG Prize Drawing (http://techbuyersguru.com/forum/index.php?topic=114.0), running through Jan. 31st.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Gambetto on January 29, 2016, 11:57:44 AM
Ari,

Thank you for the amazing and quick response.

I'll definitely follow your advice and go with the NH-U12S fan instead. For the sake of future-proofing I feel l may be leaning towards a Skylake processor instead. In that case, to keep around 1.5K, I'm using a smaller SSD and I've had to omit an internal HDD and will rely on my external HDDs for a while (or make a new one like you suggest). The smaller SSD should be fine if its only holding the OS and important programmes.

i7-6700K Processor
Noctua NH-U12S
Gigabyte GA-Z170X-UD5
Crucial 2x8 DDR4-2133 (may spend an extra $20 for the Vengeance LPX)
Samsung 850 EVO 250GB
MSI GeForce GTX 980 Gaming 4G
Phanteks Enthoo Pro
EVGA Supernova G2 650W

Do you think this is a sensible build? It technically should outperform the previous build, despite the lack of an internal hard drive and smaller SSD. After a lot of searching, I got the price down to $1460.

PS - I'll be using mostly UE4, but also a lot of UE3 as many companies still use it.

Again, thank you for the fantastic help.

Adamo

Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on January 29, 2016, 12:23:57 PM
Ari,

Thank you for the amazing and quick response.

I'll definitely follow your advice and go with the NH-U12S fan instead. For the sake of future-proofing I feel l may be leaning towards a Skylake processor instead. In that case, to keep around 1.5K, I'm using a smaller SSD and I've had to omit an internal HDD and will rely on my external HDDs for a while (or make a new one like you suggest). The smaller SSD should be fine if its only holding the OS and important programmes.

i7-6700K Processor
Noctua NH-U12S
Gigabyte GA-Z170X-UD5
Crucial 2x8 DDR4-2133 (may spend an extra $20 for the Vengeance LPX)
Samsung 850 EVO 250GB
MSI GeForce GTX 980 Gaming 4G
Phanteks Enthoo Pro
EVGA Supernova G2 650W

Do you think this is a sensible build? It technically should outperform the previous build, despite the lack of an internal hard drive and smaller SSD. After a lot of searching, I got the price down to $1460.

PS - I'll be using mostly UE4, but also a lot of UE3 as many companies still use it.

Again, thank you for the fantastic help.

Adamo

I'm going to be completely honest with you here. I am currently in the middle of benchmarking the Core i7-3770K, Core i7-4790K, and Core i7-6700K, and I can tell you that Intel had absolutely no justification for raising the price on the current-gen product when previous releases all came in at $350. That's just a fact.

And on the flip-side, I find large SSDs so important that I'm transitioning all of TBG's benchmarking systems to be SSD only, with 500GB being the minimum drive size based on our game benchmark suite (about 10 games). Perhaps that gives you an indication of what I think of swapping the 500GB SSD in your original build for a 6700K! ;)

Oh, and as for the NH-U12S (http://amzn.to/1nTP1bL), it's great, but the NH-U14S (http://amzn.to/1KfSpHW) is positively amazing for just $6 more, so skip the coffee today and you'll have what I consider to be the best all-around cooler on the market!

One last tip: if you go Skylake, definitely step up to the Vengeance LPX DDR4-3000 RAM (http://amzn.to/1QxI4GC). For high-end gaming, it's a necessary upgrade from DDR4-2133. How do I know? In the middle of a benchmark article on that as well. It's busy around here!

Sorry if I'm sounding critical of your choices - there's always an appeal to having the newest gear, and that's why TBG currently has both 6600K and 6700K test rigs. But the high prices on Skylake are just the pits. Clearly the 6700K is the fastest processor around, so I wouldn't blame you for going that direction, it would just be a shame to lose that nice big SSD.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Gambetto on January 30, 2016, 07:20:13 PM
Thanks for the advice Ari, I'm going to follow it and go back to my original build (besides having the NH-U14S as you suggested, a better brand for RAM, and keeping the internal HDD out for the time being)!!
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on January 30, 2016, 07:27:13 PM
Thanks for the advice Ari, I'm going to follow it and go back to my original build (besides having the NH-U14S as you suggested, a better brand for RAM, and keeping the internal HDD out for the time being)!!

Report back when you get all your parts together. This should be an awesome setup!
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Romeo16 on February 10, 2016, 05:43:35 AM
Hey Ari,

I'm back again haha! So I've been looking at purchasing another Radeon R9 390x to Crossfire with my current Sapphire Radeon R9 390x Tri-X OC. This is solely to push the new upcoming releases like Tom Clancy's Division to the limit on 1080p. I played the beta when it came out and I was getting about 50-60 FPS except in certain areas when FPS fell to high 40s. I'm wondering if getting another Radeon R9 390x to Crossfire is worth it to play these new beautiful open-world RPGs that are coming out on Ultra settings. Of course Division wouldn't be released till March, so I'm waiting for price drops on the GPU.

Would getting a Radeon R9 290x suffice or does the extra 4GB on the 390x really help for open-world RPGs?

Component List:
1. Processor: Intel Core i7-4790K (http://amzn.to/1SGWJ6b)
2. Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97X-Gaming 5 (http://amzn.to/1RogHRu)
3. Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 390x Tri-X OC (http://amzn.to/1Rogxtw)
4. Memory: Patriot 8GB (2x4GB) Viper III DDR3 2133 Low Profile Red Heatsink (http://amzn.to/23W6kJU)
5. Solid-State Drive: Crucial MX100 512GB (http://amzn.to/1O2YJ0u)
6. Case: Rosewill Blackhawk (http://amzn.to/1O2YLoQ)
7. Power Supply: EVGA G2 850W (http://amzn.to/1WelDrH)
8. CPU Cooler: Thermalright True Spirit 140 BW Rev. A (http://amzn.to/1o1ojy7)
9. Operating System: Windows 10 Professional (http://amzn.to/23X3Afi)
10. Monitor 1: BenQ RL2455HM (http://amzn.to/1Tcxloy)
11. Monitor 2: Dell ST2320L 23" LED (http://amzn.to/1KFA0Ez)
12. Wireless Card: TP-LINK TWDN4800 Dual Band
 (http://amzn.to/1XiEYsL)

Thanks,

Romeo16
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on February 10, 2016, 08:06:59 AM
Hey Ari,

I'm back again haha! So I've been looking at purchasing another Radeon R9 390x to Crossfire with my current Sapphire Radeon R9 390x Tri-X OC. This is solely to push the new upcoming releases like Tom Clancy's Division to the limit on 1080p. I played the beta when it came out and I was getting about 50-60 FPS except in certain areas when FPS fell to high 40s. I'm wondering if getting another Radeon R9 390x to Crossfire is worth it to play these new beautiful open-world RPGs that are coming out on Ultra settings. Of course Division wouldn't be released till March, so I'm waiting for price drops on the GPU.

Would getting a Radeon R9 290x suffice or does the extra 4GB on the 390x really help for open-world RPGs?

Component List:
1. Processor: Intel Core i7-4790K (http://amzn.to/1SGWJ6b)
2. Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97X-Gaming 5 (http://amzn.to/1RogHRu)
3. Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 390x Tri-X OC (http://amzn.to/1Rogxtw)
4. Memory: Patriot 8GB (2x4GB) Viper III DDR3 2133 Low Profile Red Heatsink (http://amzn.to/23W6kJU)
5. Solid-State Drive: Crucial MX100 512GB (http://amzn.to/1O2YJ0u)
6. Case: Rosewill Blackhawk (http://amzn.to/1O2YLoQ)
7. Power Supply: EVGA G2 850W (http://amzn.to/1WelDrH)
8. CPU Cooler: Thermalright True Spirit 140 BW Rev. A (http://amzn.to/1o1ojy7)
9. Operating System: Windows 10 Professional (http://amzn.to/23X3Afi)
10. Monitor 1: BenQ RL2455HM (http://amzn.to/1Tcxloy)
11. Monitor 2: Dell ST2320L 23" LED (http://amzn.to/1KFA0Ez)
12. Wireless Card: TP-LINK TWDN4800 Dual Band
 (http://amzn.to/1XiEYsL)
Thanks,

Romeo16

Welcome back, Romeo16! That's quite an awesome system you've put together there!

So, in terms of doubling up on video cards, you can definitely go with either an R9 390X 8GB, like the $390 Sapphire Radeon R9 390X Nitro (http://amzn.to/1Tcwog4), the awesome follow up to the already-awesome Tri-X model you have, or you can go with the R9 290X 4GB, like the XFX R9 290X 4GB (http://www.anrdoezrs.net/links/7120282/type/dlg/http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150700) on closeout at Newegg for $290 after rebate. But there's a better option, because going with a 4GB card will reduce your effective VRAM on both cards to 4GB. While that doesn't matter at all when running on a 1080p monitor, it does matter at 1440p and 4K, which you might want to upgrade to in the future, especially given how much power you'll have at your disposal.

So what's that best option I'm referring to? Grab the XFX R9 290X 8GB (http://www.anrdoezrs.net/links/7120282/type/dlg/http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150723) on closeout at Newegg for $320 after rebate!

I don't think you're going to see any price drops between now and March, and the 290X models may actually sell out. So I'd jump now if you know you want another card for Division. The earliest we'll see any substantial price cuts would likely be June.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Romeo16 on February 10, 2016, 08:58:15 AM
Hey Ari,

I'm back again haha! So I've been looking at purchasing another Radeon R9 390x to Crossfire with my current Sapphire Radeon R9 390x Tri-X OC. This is solely to push the new upcoming releases like Tom Clancy's Division to the limit on 1080p. I played the beta when it came out and I was getting about 50-60 FPS except in certain areas when FPS fell to high 40s. I'm wondering if getting another Radeon R9 390x to Crossfire is worth it to play these new beautiful open-world RPGs that are coming out on Ultra settings. Of course Division wouldn't be released till March, so I'm waiting for price drops on the GPU.

Would getting a Radeon R9 290x suffice or does the extra 4GB on the 390x really help for open-world RPGs?

Component List:
1. Processor: Intel Core i7-4790K (http://amzn.to/1SGWJ6b)
2. Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97X-Gaming 5 (http://amzn.to/1RogHRu)
3. Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 390x Tri-X OC (http://amzn.to/1Rogxtw)
4. Memory: Patriot 8GB (2x4GB) Viper III DDR3 2133 Low Profile Red Heatsink (http://amzn.to/23W6kJU)
5. Solid-State Drive: Crucial MX100 512GB (http://amzn.to/1O2YJ0u)
6. Case: Rosewill Blackhawk (http://amzn.to/1O2YLoQ)
7. Power Supply: EVGA G2 850W (http://amzn.to/1WelDrH)
8. CPU Cooler: Thermalright True Spirit 140 BW Rev. A (http://amzn.to/1o1ojy7)
9. Operating System: Windows 10 Professional (http://amzn.to/23X3Afi)
10. Monitor 1: BenQ RL2455HM (http://amzn.to/1Tcxloy)
11. Monitor 2: Dell ST2320L 23" LED (http://amzn.to/1KFA0Ez)
12. Wireless Card: TP-LINK TWDN4800 Dual Band
 (http://amzn.to/1XiEYsL)
Thanks,

Romeo16

Welcome back, Romeo16! That's quite an awesome system you've put together there!

So, in terms of doubling up on video cards, you can definitely go with either an R9 390X 8GB, like the $390 Sapphire Radeon R9 390X Nitro (http://amzn.to/1Tcwog4), the awesome follow up to the already-awesome Tri-X model you have, or you can go with the R9 290X 4GB, like the XFX R9 290X 4GB (http://www.anrdoezrs.net/links/7120282/type/dlg/http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150700) on closeout at Newegg for $290 after rebate. But there's a better option, because going with a 4GB card will reduce your effective VRAM on both cards to 4GB. While that doesn't matter at all when running on a 1080p monitor, it does matter at 1440p and 4K, which you might want to upgrade to in the future, especially given how much power you'll have at your disposal.

So what's that best option I'm referring to? Grab the XFX R9 290X 8GB (http://www.anrdoezrs.net/links/7120282/type/dlg/http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150723) on closeout at Newegg for $320 after rebate!

I don't think you're going to see any price drops between now and March, and the 290X models may actually sell out. So I'd jump now if you know you want another card for Division. The earliest we'll see any substantial price cuts would likely be June.

Haha thanks! Couldn't have built this awesome system without all the help from Tech Buyers Guru!

I wish I was living in the U.S. to take advantage of those awesome closeout sales! Alas I am in Canada and the dollar isn't too hot at the moment. But I'll definitely still take a look at the XFX R9 290x 8GB! Also would I need to upgrade my EVGA G2 850W to a 1000W and if so would the G2 be able to handle the two GPUs well enough?
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on February 10, 2016, 11:04:12 AM
Hey Ari,

I'm back again haha! So I've been looking at purchasing another Radeon R9 390x to Crossfire with my current Sapphire Radeon R9 390x Tri-X OC. This is solely to push the new upcoming releases like Tom Clancy's Division to the limit on 1080p. I played the beta when it came out and I was getting about 50-60 FPS except in certain areas when FPS fell to high 40s. I'm wondering if getting another Radeon R9 390x to Crossfire is worth it to play these new beautiful open-world RPGs that are coming out on Ultra settings. Of course Division wouldn't be released till March, so I'm waiting for price drops on the GPU.

Would getting a Radeon R9 290x suffice or does the extra 4GB on the 390x really help for open-world RPGs?

Component List:
1. Processor: Intel Core i7-4790K (http://amzn.to/1SGWJ6b)
2. Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97X-Gaming 5 (http://amzn.to/1RogHRu)
3. Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 390x Tri-X OC (http://amzn.to/1Rogxtw)
4. Memory: Patriot 8GB (2x4GB) Viper III DDR3 2133 Low Profile Red Heatsink (http://amzn.to/23W6kJU)
5. Solid-State Drive: Crucial MX100 512GB (http://amzn.to/1O2YJ0u)
6. Case: Rosewill Blackhawk (http://amzn.to/1O2YLoQ)
7. Power Supply: EVGA G2 850W (http://amzn.to/1WelDrH)
8. CPU Cooler: Thermalright True Spirit 140 BW Rev. A (http://amzn.to/1o1ojy7)
9. Operating System: Windows 10 Professional (http://amzn.to/23X3Afi)
10. Monitor 1: BenQ RL2455HM (http://amzn.to/1Tcxloy)
11. Monitor 2: Dell ST2320L 23" LED (http://amzn.to/1KFA0Ez)
12. Wireless Card: TP-LINK TWDN4800 Dual Band
 (http://amzn.to/1XiEYsL)
Thanks,

Romeo16

Welcome back, Romeo16! That's quite an awesome system you've put together there!

So, in terms of doubling up on video cards, you can definitely go with either an R9 390X 8GB, like the $390 Sapphire Radeon R9 390X Nitro (http://amzn.to/1Tcwog4), the awesome follow up to the already-awesome Tri-X model you have, or you can go with the R9 290X 4GB, like the XFX R9 290X 4GB (http://www.anrdoezrs.net/links/7120282/type/dlg/http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150700) on closeout at Newegg for $290 after rebate. But there's a better option, because going with a 4GB card will reduce your effective VRAM on both cards to 4GB. While that doesn't matter at all when running on a 1080p monitor, it does matter at 1440p and 4K, which you might want to upgrade to in the future, especially given how much power you'll have at your disposal.

So what's that best option I'm referring to? Grab the XFX R9 290X 8GB (http://www.anrdoezrs.net/links/7120282/type/dlg/http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150723) on closeout at Newegg for $320 after rebate!

I don't think you're going to see any price drops between now and March, and the 290X models may actually sell out. So I'd jump now if you know you want another card for Division. The earliest we'll see any substantial price cuts would likely be June.

Haha thanks! Couldn't have built this awesome system without all the help from Tech Buyers Guru!

I wish I was living in the U.S. to take advantage of those awesome closeout sales! Alas I am in Canada and the dollar isn't too hot at the moment. But I'll definitely still take a look at the XFX R9 290x 8GB! Also would I need to upgrade my EVGA G2 850W to a 1000W and if so would the G2 be able to handle the two GPUs well enough?

Actually, the 290X 8GB is on sale at Newegg.ca (http://www.anrdoezrs.net/links/7120282/type/dlg/http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150723) as well. It's over $100 less than the equivalent Sapphire 390X (http://www.anrdoezrs.net/links/7120282/type/dlg/http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202185).

And yes, your PSU can handle it, though I wouldn't overvolt those cards on 850W.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Romeo16 on February 10, 2016, 02:30:36 PM
Hey Ari,

I'm back again haha! So I've been looking at purchasing another Radeon R9 390x to Crossfire with my current Sapphire Radeon R9 390x Tri-X OC. This is solely to push the new upcoming releases like Tom Clancy's Division to the limit on 1080p. I played the beta when it came out and I was getting about 50-60 FPS except in certain areas when FPS fell to high 40s. I'm wondering if getting another Radeon R9 390x to Crossfire is worth it to play these new beautiful open-world RPGs that are coming out on Ultra settings. Of course Division wouldn't be released till March, so I'm waiting for price drops on the GPU.

Would getting a Radeon R9 290x suffice or does the extra 4GB on the 390x really help for open-world RPGs?

Component List:
1. Processor: Intel Core i7-4790K (http://amzn.to/1SGWJ6b)
2. Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97X-Gaming 5 (http://amzn.to/1RogHRu)
3. Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 390x Tri-X OC (http://amzn.to/1Rogxtw)
4. Memory: Patriot 8GB (2x4GB) Viper III DDR3 2133 Low Profile Red Heatsink (http://amzn.to/23W6kJU)
5. Solid-State Drive: Crucial MX100 512GB (http://amzn.to/1O2YJ0u)
6. Case: Rosewill Blackhawk (http://amzn.to/1O2YLoQ)
7. Power Supply: EVGA G2 850W (http://amzn.to/1WelDrH)
8. CPU Cooler: Thermalright True Spirit 140 BW Rev. A (http://amzn.to/1o1ojy7)
9. Operating System: Windows 10 Professional (http://amzn.to/23X3Afi)
10. Monitor 1: BenQ RL2455HM (http://amzn.to/1Tcxloy)
11. Monitor 2: Dell ST2320L 23" LED (http://amzn.to/1KFA0Ez)
12. Wireless Card: TP-LINK TWDN4800 Dual Band
 (http://amzn.to/1XiEYsL)
Thanks,

Romeo16

Welcome back, Romeo16! That's quite an awesome system you've put together there!

So, in terms of doubling up on video cards, you can definitely go with either an R9 390X 8GB, like the $390 Sapphire Radeon R9 390X Nitro (http://amzn.to/1Tcwog4), the awesome follow up to the already-awesome Tri-X model you have, or you can go with the R9 290X 4GB, like the XFX R9 290X 4GB (http://www.anrdoezrs.net/links/7120282/type/dlg/http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150700) on closeout at Newegg for $290 after rebate. But there's a better option, because going with a 4GB card will reduce your effective VRAM on both cards to 4GB. While that doesn't matter at all when running on a 1080p monitor, it does matter at 1440p and 4K, which you might want to upgrade to in the future, especially given how much power you'll have at your disposal.

So what's that best option I'm referring to? Grab the XFX R9 290X 8GB (http://www.anrdoezrs.net/links/7120282/type/dlg/http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150723) on closeout at Newegg for $320 after rebate!

I don't think you're going to see any price drops between now and March, and the 290X models may actually sell out. So I'd jump now if you know you want another card for Division. The earliest we'll see any substantial price cuts would likely be June.

Haha thanks! Couldn't have built this awesome system without all the help from Tech Buyers Guru!

I wish I was living in the U.S. to take advantage of those awesome closeout sales! Alas I am in Canada and the dollar isn't too hot at the moment. But I'll definitely still take a look at the XFX R9 290x 8GB! Also would I need to upgrade my EVGA G2 850W to a 1000W and if so would the G2 be able to handle the two GPUs well enough?

Actually, the 290X 8GB is on sale at Newegg.ca (http://www.anrdoezrs.net/links/7120282/type/dlg/http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150723) as well. It's over $100 less than the equivalent Sapphire 390X (http://www.anrdoezrs.net/links/7120282/type/dlg/http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202185).

And yes, your PSU can handle it, though I wouldn't overvolt those cards on 850W.

Overvolt meaning to not increase the core voltage on the GPUs when over locking right? Would that also mean to not increase the power limit for the GPUs?
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on February 10, 2016, 02:46:22 PM

Overvolt meaning to not increase the core voltage on the GPUs when over locking right? Would that also mean to not increase the power limit for the GPUs?

Yes, overvolting means applying extra voltage when increasing the clockrates to achieve higher top speeds than possible on stock voltage. On the 290X/390X, this can lead to dramatically-higher power use, potentially going beyond what the Supernova G2 850W can supply. At standard voltage, the two GPUs in a 4790K-based system shouldn't pull more than 750W.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Romeo16 on February 10, 2016, 05:49:45 PM

Overvolt meaning to not increase the core voltage on the GPUs when over locking right? Would that also mean to not increase the power limit for the GPUs?

Yes, overvolting means applying extra voltage when increase the clockrates to achieve higher top speeds than possible on stock voltage. On the 290X/390X, this can lead to dramatically-higher power use, potentially going beyond what the Supernova G2 850W can supply. At standard voltage, the two GPUs in a 4790K-based system shouldn't pull more than 750W.

Okay thanks for that clarification! Should I also not increase the power limit in MSI Afterburner?
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on February 10, 2016, 06:07:20 PM
Power limit is ok, as it doesn't increase power nearly as much as voltage.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Romeo16 on February 11, 2016, 02:23:15 AM
Hey Ari,

I'm back again haha! So I've been looking at purchasing another Radeon R9 390x to Crossfire with my current Sapphire Radeon R9 390x Tri-X OC. This is solely to push the new upcoming releases like Tom Clancy's Division to the limit on 1080p. I played the beta when it came out and I was getting about 50-60 FPS except in certain areas when FPS fell to high 40s. I'm wondering if getting another Radeon R9 390x to Crossfire is worth it to play these new beautiful open-world RPGs that are coming out on Ultra settings. Of course Division wouldn't be released till March, so I'm waiting for price drops on the GPU.

Would getting a Radeon R9 290x suffice or does the extra 4GB on the 390x really help for open-world RPGs?

Component List:
1. Processor: Intel Core i7-4790K (http://amzn.to/1SGWJ6b)
2. Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97X-Gaming 5 (http://amzn.to/1RogHRu)
3. Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 390x Tri-X OC (http://amzn.to/1Rogxtw)
4. Memory: Patriot 8GB (2x4GB) Viper III DDR3 2133 Low Profile Red Heatsink (http://amzn.to/23W6kJU)
5. Solid-State Drive: Crucial MX100 512GB (http://amzn.to/1O2YJ0u)
6. Case: Rosewill Blackhawk (http://amzn.to/1O2YLoQ)
7. Power Supply: EVGA G2 850W (http://amzn.to/1WelDrH)
8. CPU Cooler: Thermalright True Spirit 140 BW Rev. A (http://amzn.to/1o1ojy7)
9. Operating System: Windows 10 Professional (http://amzn.to/23X3Afi)
10. Monitor 1: BenQ RL2455HM (http://amzn.to/1Tcxloy)
11. Monitor 2: Dell ST2320L 23" LED (http://amzn.to/1KFA0Ez)
12. Wireless Card: TP-LINK TWDN4800 Dual Band
 (http://amzn.to/1XiEYsL)
Thanks,

Romeo16

Welcome back, Romeo16! That's quite an awesome system you've put together there!

So, in terms of doubling up on video cards, you can definitely go with either an R9 390X 8GB, like the $390 Sapphire Radeon R9 390X Nitro (http://amzn.to/1Tcwog4), the awesome follow up to the already-awesome Tri-X model you have, or you can go with the R9 290X 4GB, like the XFX R9 290X 4GB (http://www.anrdoezrs.net/links/7120282/type/dlg/http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150700) on closeout at Newegg for $290 after rebate. But there's a better option, because going with a 4GB card will reduce your effective VRAM on both cards to 4GB. While that doesn't matter at all when running on a 1080p monitor, it does matter at 1440p and 4K, which you might want to upgrade to in the future, especially given how much power you'll have at your disposal.

So what's that best option I'm referring to? Grab the XFX R9 290X 8GB (http://www.anrdoezrs.net/links/7120282/type/dlg/http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150723) on closeout at Newegg for $320 after rebate!

I don't think you're going to see any price drops between now and March, and the 290X models may actually sell out. So I'd jump now if you know you want another card for Division. The earliest we'll see any substantial price cuts would likely be June.

Haha thanks! Couldn't have built this awesome system without all the help from Tech Buyers Guru!

I wish I was living in the U.S. to take advantage of those awesome closeout sales! Alas I am in Canada and the dollar isn't too hot at the moment. But I'll definitely still take a look at the XFX R9 290x 8GB! Also would I need to upgrade my EVGA G2 850W to a 1000W and if so would the G2 be able to handle the two GPUs well enough?

Actually, the 290X 8GB is on sale at Newegg.ca (http://www.anrdoezrs.net/links/7120282/type/dlg/http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150723) as well. It's over $100 less than the equivalent Sapphire 390X (http://www.anrdoezrs.net/links/7120282/type/dlg/http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202185).

And yes, your PSU can handle it, though I wouldn't overvolt those cards on 850W.

Thanks for the advice on not overvolting on the 850W PSU. I know so little about these things. Would I be able to overclock at the stock voltage though on the 850W PSU? Also would I be able to overvolt and OC on a EVGA Supernova G2 1000W PSU? Just thinking ahead :).
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on February 11, 2016, 03:04:14 AM

Thanks for the advice on not overvolting on the 850W PSU. I know so little about these things. Would I be able to overclock at the stock voltage though on the 850W PSU? Also would I be able to overvolt and OC on a EVGA Supernova G2 1000W PSU? Just thinking ahead :).

Overvolting a Hawaii-based processor can easily add 100W or more per card. Unfortunately this is what some manufacturers chose to do when the 390X was released in order to offer cards that could beat the 290X. MSI in particular was aggressive about this. Without extra voltage, few Hawaii cards can exceed 1100MHz.

In other words, there will be little overclocking to be had without extra voltage, and extra voltage will turn your 390X from around a 300W card to a 400W card, while the 290X will go from 250W to 350W. That would exceed 850W when combined with CPU draw. Keep it at stock voltage and you might get 1100MHz on both cards but you'll be well under 800W.

Note that the only speed difference between the two cards is memory clock headroom. The 390X memory comes clocked 1000MHz faster and can go higher, the 290X will just barely reach stock 390X levels with overclocking. That's what $100 extra buys you.

I suggest you get a 290X 8GB, set both cards to 1060MHz, memory at 6000MHz (if the 290X is golden), and enjoy the Crossfired performance!

And to clarify, raising power limits only eliminates throttling at stock speed. It will not allow a higher overclock.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Romeo16 on February 11, 2016, 03:17:36 AM

Thanks for the advice on not overvolting on the 850W PSU. I know so little about these things. Would I be able to overclock at the stock voltage though on the 850W PSU? Also would I be able to overvolt and OC on a EVGA Supernova G2 1000W PSU? Just thinking ahead :).

Overvolting a Hawaii-based processor can easily add 100W or more per card. Unfortunately this is what some manufacturers chose to do when the 390X was released in order to offer cards that could beat the 290X. MSI in particular was aggressive about this. Without extra voltage, few Hawaii cards can exceed 1100MHz.

In other words, there will be little overclocking to be had without extra voltage, and extra voltage will turn your 390X from around a 300W card to a 400W card, while the 290X will go from 250W to 350W. That would exceed 850W when combined with CPU draw. Keep it at stock voltage and you might get 1100MHz on both cards but you'll be well under 800W.

Note that the only speed difference between the two cards is memory clock headroom. The 390X memory comes clocked 1000MHz faster and can go higher, the 290X will just barely reach stock 390X levels with overclocking. That's what $100 extra buys you.

I suggest you get a 290X 8GB, set both cards to 1060MHz, memory at 6000MHz (if the 290X is golden), and enjoy the Crossfired performance!

And to clarify, raising power limits only eliminates throttling at stock speed. It will not allow a higher overclock.

Ah I forgot to mention I found a good price on a ASUS Strix R9 390X! I remember only being able to run my R9 390x at stock core and memory clock settings when crossfiring it with my R9 290. I should be able to run the R9 390x Crossfire with the 850W PSU without any overvolting or overclocking and that should be able to more than run Tom Clancy's Division with ease right? However if I was to overvolt and overclock, would I need a 1000W PSU or higher?
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on February 11, 2016, 03:43:59 AM

Thanks for the advice on not overvolting on the 850W PSU. I know so little about these things. Would I be able to overclock at the stock voltage though on the 850W PSU? Also would I be able to overvolt and OC on a EVGA Supernova G2 1000W PSU? Just thinking ahead :).

Overvolting a Hawaii-based processor can easily add 100W or more per card. Unfortunately this is what some manufacturers chose to do when the 390X was released in order to offer cards that could beat the 290X. MSI in particular was aggressive about this. Without extra voltage, few Hawaii cards can exceed 1100MHz.

In other words, there will be little overclocking to be had without extra voltage, and extra voltage will turn your 390X from around a 300W card to a 400W card, while the 290X will go from 250W to 350W. That would exceed 850W when combined with CPU draw. Keep it at stock voltage and you might get 1100MHz on both cards but you'll be well under 800W.

Note that the only speed difference between the two cards is memory clock headroom. The 390X memory comes clocked 1000MHz faster and can go higher, the 290X will just barely reach stock 390X levels with overclocking. That's what $100 extra buys you.

I suggest you get a 290X 8GB, set both cards to 1060MHz, memory at 6000MHz (if the 290X is golden), and enjoy the Crossfired performance!

And to clarify, raising power limits only eliminates throttling at stock speed. It will not allow a higher overclock.

Ah I forgot to mention I found a good price on a ASUS Strix R9 390X! I remember only being able to run my R9 390x at stock core and memory clock settings when crossfiring it with my R9 290. I should be able to run the R9 390x Crossfire with the 850W PSU without any overvolting or overclocking and that should be able to more than run Tom Clancy's Division with ease right? However if I was to overvolt and overclock, would I need a 1000W PSU or higher?

What did you do with the 290? Were you not satisfied with the performance combined with the 390X?

Yes, you'd need 1000W to overvolt two 390X cards, but 850W is fine for running them stock.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Romeo16 on February 11, 2016, 04:09:41 AM

Thanks for the advice on not overvolting on the 850W PSU. I know so little about these things. Would I be able to overclock at the stock voltage though on the 850W PSU? Also would I be able to overvolt and OC on a EVGA Supernova G2 1000W PSU? Just thinking ahead :).

Overvolting a Hawaii-based processor can easily add 100W or more per card. Unfortunately this is what some manufacturers chose to do when the 390X was released in order to offer cards that could beat the 290X. MSI in particular was aggressive about this. Without extra voltage, few Hawaii cards can exceed 1100MHz.

In other words, there will be little overclocking to be had without extra voltage, and extra voltage will turn your 390X from around a 300W card to a 400W card, while the 290X will go from 250W to 350W. That would exceed 850W when combined with CPU draw. Keep it at stock voltage and you might get 1100MHz on both cards but you'll be well under 800W.

Note that the only speed difference between the two cards is memory clock headroom. The 390X memory comes clocked 1000MHz faster and can go higher, the 290X will just barely reach stock 390X levels with overclocking. That's what $100 extra buys you.

I suggest you get a 290X 8GB, set both cards to 1060MHz, memory at 6000MHz (if the 290X is golden), and enjoy the Crossfired performance!

And to clarify, raising power limits only eliminates throttling at stock speed. It will not allow a higher overclock.

Ah I forgot to mention I found a good price on a ASUS Strix R9 390X! I remember only being able to run my R9 390x at stock core and memory clock settings when crossfiring it with my R9 290. I should be able to run the R9 390x Crossfire with the 850W PSU without any overvolting or overclocking and that should be able to more than run Tom Clancy's Division with ease right? However if I was to overvolt and overclock, would I need a 1000W PSU or higher?

What did you do with the 290? Were you not satisfied with the performance combined with the 390X?

Yes, you'd need 1000W to overvolt two 390X cards, but 850W is fine for running them stock.

Well all of the games I currently play run phenomenally on the 390x by itself so I sold the Sapphire Radeon R9 290 Tri-X OC. The two GPUs in crossfire ran Metal Gear Sold V: The Phantom Menace and The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt phenomenally. I wasn't able to test it on Tom Clancy's Division because the beta didn't support crossfire. So I figured I would sell the R9 290 and use that money to help purchase a 290x or 390x since it's still selling for a decent price. Would an EVGA Supernova G2 1000W PSU be a great PSU to overvolt and overclock the 390x crossfire? Sorry for all the questions hah.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on February 11, 2016, 08:37:53 AM

Well all of the games I currently play run phenomenally on the 390x by itself so I sold the Sapphire Radeon R9 290 Tri-X OC. The two GPUs in crossfire ran Metal Gear Sold V: The Phantom Menace and The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt phenomenally. I wasn't able to test it on Tom Clancy's Division because the beta didn't support crossfire. So I figured I would sell the R9 290 and use that money to help purchase a 290x or 390x since it's still selling for a decent price. Would an EVGA Supernova G2 1000W PSU be a great PSU to overvolt and overclock the 390x crossfire? Sorry for all the questions hah.

Given that you already upgraded your PSU once, I don't think the payoff for upgrading it again is worth it. Dual overvolted 390X cards will produce so much heat that you might end up needing a new case or a liquid CPU cooler. If you were chasing after 4K benchmark wins, maybe you'd do it once in a while, but as a 24/7 machine, this just isn't an elegant solution, and I don't recommend it in your situation. Stick with stock voltage and you'll be fine!
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Romeo16 on February 11, 2016, 11:56:18 AM

Well all of the games I currently play run phenomenally on the 390x by itself so I sold the Sapphire Radeon R9 290 Tri-X OC. The two GPUs in crossfire ran Metal Gear Sold V: The Phantom Menace and The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt phenomenally. I wasn't able to test it on Tom Clancy's Division because the beta didn't support crossfire. So I figured I would sell the R9 290 and use that money to help purchase a 290x or 390x since it's still selling for a decent price. Would an EVGA Supernova G2 1000W PSU be a great PSU to overvolt and overclock the 390x crossfire? Sorry for all the questions hah.

Given that you already upgraded your PSU once, I don't think the payoff for upgrading it again is worth it. Dual overvolted 390X cards will produce so much heat that you might end up needing a new case or a liquid CPU cooler. If you were chasing after 4K benchmark wins, maybe you'd do it once in a while, but as a 24/7 machine, this just isn't an elegant solution, and I don't recommend it in your situation. Stick with stock voltage and you'll be fine!

Sounds great :). I'll definitely take your advice on that. Thanks for all the help again Ari!
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Astro on February 17, 2016, 07:14:27 PM
Hey.

Been thinking about building a new gaming computer for a bit and have been following the guide periodically for ideas as I have never done a full build by myself.  Just double checking a couple things before I order everything.  My friend has a gtx 980 he isn't using that he isn't using that I was going to buy and then probably upgrade to the 16 gigs of ram that you linked. I would like to use a different tower.  The one I was looking at is the http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Graphite-Mid-Tower-Computer-CC-9011038-WW/dp/B00EUZVNHU/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1455763933&sr=1-1&keywords=corsair+graphite+series+230t (http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Graphite-Mid-Tower-Computer-CC-9011038-WW/dp/B00EUZVNHU/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1455763933&sr=1-1&keywords=corsair+graphite+series+230t).  It looks like everything should be able to fit but I don't want to have to find out the hard way.  The other question I had was when I put all of that into a simulator for the build I get a notification that "1 additional SAS gb/s compatible port is needed."  Then "Tshiba 2tb... hard drive and asus z97-a/usb 3.1 motherboard are not compatible."  If I had to guess, I probably put something in incorrectly but I figured making sure wouldn't hurt.

Thanks for any help you can give.

Kenny
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on February 17, 2016, 07:45:57 PM
Hey.

Been thinking about building a new gaming computer for a bit and have been following the guide periodically for ideas as I have never done a full build by myself.  Just double checking a couple things before I order everything.  My friend has a gtx 980 he isn't using that he isn't using that I was going to buy and then probably upgrade to the 16 gigs of ram that you linked. I would like to use a different tower.  The one I was looking at is the http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Graphite-Mid-Tower-Computer-CC-9011038-WW/dp/B00EUZVNHU/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1455763933&sr=1-1&keywords=corsair+graphite+series+230t (http://amzn.to/219MBEe).  It looks like everything should be able to fit but I don't want to have to find out the hard way.  The other question I had was when I put all of that into a simulator for the build I get a notification that "1 additional SAS gb/s compatible port is needed."  Then "Tshiba 2tb... hard drive and asus z97-a/usb 3.1 motherboard are not compatible."  If I had to guess, I probably put something in incorrectly but I figured making sure wouldn't hurt.

Thanks for any help you can give.

Kenny

Welcome to the TBG Forum, Astro/Kenny!

The Corsair Carbide 230T (http://amzn.to/219MBEe) will work well with this build. That's an optional case for the $1,000 Build, so overall, it's a good case, but a bit of a less advanced model than the Carbide 300R (http://amzn.to/1VoPf5k) (which is on super-sale today!). The main difference is the 300R's ability to use bigger, quieter 140mm fans in the front and rear (it includes one in the front and a 120mm fan in the back). The 230T has a more modern look, so if you like that, go for it. It includes three 120mm fans.

The 980 will fit perfectly in either case, although keep in mind that "GTX 980" on its own does not describe a card. The brand matters, as an EVGA model (http://amzn.to/1XyXxJu) can be 10.5" long while a Gigabyte model (http://amzn.to/1VoPugU) can be over a foot long. Also be careful how much you pay, as prices are dropping on the 980 and will continue to do so throughout the spring.

There's definitely no incompatibility between the hard drive and motherboard. SAS is a completely different standard not used by any consumer-level drives. The Toshiba is a SATA model, and the Asus motherboard has plenty of SATA ports. What simulator were you using?
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Astro on February 17, 2016, 09:23:42 PM
Thanks for the info.  I used pcpartpicker.com (http://pcpartpicker.com).  I will make sure my friend has the graphics card you linked so I don't run into any problems. I might have to reconsider the case.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on February 17, 2016, 09:44:48 PM
Thanks for the info.  I used pcpartpicker.com (http://pcpartpicker.com).  I will make sure my friend has the graphics card you linked so I don't run into any problems. I might have to reconsider the case.

I've found over the past few weeks more and more people being led astray by PCPartPicker. I realize it's the dominant site for PC builders, but it's really full of misinformation, because its build checker tool is based on scanned-in specs and out-of-date standards for PC building that often aren't interpreted correctly. I constantly need to help builders here and on other forums that I participate in re-work their build lists generated by PCPP.

The founder of PCPP had a fantastic software engineering background, but I don't believe that there's all that much knowledge of PC building incorporated into the site. Perhaps he'll see this comment some day and post an irate response, but I mean what I say. TBG is offering a different kind of experience. I know these builds will work because I build and test PCs for a living, and publish articles every few weeks profiling new products, systems, and benchmarks. PCPP is basically just a search engine and social media site.

Sorry, Astro, this definitely wasn't directed at you! It just bothers me when genuinely passionate PC builders are led in completely the wrong direction by another site purporting to be for PC builders. End rant!
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Astro on February 17, 2016, 10:35:59 PM
Oh that is alright.  I know very little so I appreciate all the help you give.  Otherwise I would never attept this and just buy a pre built one.

Thanks again.
Kenny
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Astro on February 24, 2016, 12:46:40 PM
Hey again.

I just finished putting together the computer but I don't hear a beep when I boot it up and am not connecting to my monitor.  I have tried only using one ram stick and am trying to trouble shoot it now but if you could give me some advice I would appreciate it very much.

Thanks again
Kenny
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on February 24, 2016, 01:52:11 PM
Hey again.

I just finished putting together the computer but I don't hear a beep when I boot it up and am not connecting to my monitor.  I have tried only using one ram stick and am trying to trouble shoot it now but if you could give me some advice I would appreciate it very much.

Thanks again
Kenny

Happy to help. Can you list your exact specs, including the video card you sourced from a friend?
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Astro on February 24, 2016, 02:40:13 PM
So I used everything that you had for this build except for an evga 750 g2 power supply, the evga GeForce gtx 980 4gb video card and corsair vengeance 16gb 2x8 ddr3 2400mhz ram.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Astro on February 24, 2016, 02:50:43 PM
I also noticed that my fans hooked up to the cpu fan connections work but the ones hooked up to the chassis fan connections do not seem to have power.  I don't know if that helps or not.

Thanks again and sorry about this
Kenny
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on February 24, 2016, 02:58:27 PM
I also noticed that my fans hooked up to the cpu fan connections work but the ones hooked up to the chassis fan connections do not seem to have power.  I don't know if that helps or not.

Thanks again and sorry about this
Kenny

Ok, that's important to know.  So you do have power to the system.

Ok, follow these steps:

(1) unplug your system from the wall.
(2) remove video card from system, plugging video cable from monitor into the back of the motherboard.
(3) remove both sticks of RAM, and then re-insert one stick into the second RAM slot, making sure it completely clicks in.
(4) unplug all power supply connectors and then reconnect just the 24-pin motherboard connector and the 4+4-pin CPU connector, making sure they click in. Given that you're using a fully-modular power supply, you must also make sure they are plugged into the correct output on the back of the power supply. The power supply has markings to indicate which outputs are to be used for the motherboard and CPU.
(5) plug the power cord back into the wall and try powering up your system, making sure to engage the physical power switch on the back of the power supply before hitting the power button (the "|" symbol should be depressed, not the "0" symbol).
(6) report back, being very specific as to what happens in terms of lights, case fans, the CPU cooler fan, etc.

Note that I am having you test this without power to the hard drive, optical drive, or solid-state drive. They are not necessary at this point, as we're just focusing in on getting the system to boot.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Astro on February 24, 2016, 03:21:33 PM
So now all of the fans are working but still no signal to either monitor I tried
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on February 24, 2016, 03:50:32 PM
So now all of the fans are working but still no signal to either monitor I tried

What type of cable are you using? You have it plugged into the motherboard, correct?

For starters, power off the system, remove the single stick of RAM, and insert the other one into the same slot and try booting. If that doesn't work, try putting it in the very first slot away from the CPU and try again.

If this doesn't work, report back on any LED lights lit up on the motherboard. There should be indicator lights, for example for CPU, RAM, and video card. If they light up and stay lit, it indicates a problem.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Astro on February 26, 2016, 11:48:48 AM
I was using the dvi off the motherboard. I got got the computer to boot without the graphics card and hard drive.  I moved the ram around and losened the screws on the motherboard.  I will check back in with what happens next.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on February 26, 2016, 01:18:44 PM
I was using the dvi off the motherboard. I got got the computer to boot without the graphics card and hard drive.  I moved the ram around and losened the screws on the motherboard.  I will check back in with what happens next.

I doubt the motherboard screws had much impact, although it's possible you were shorting the board against the case. Make sure standoffs were installed for the motherboard before proceeding.

In all likelihood, it was just a RAM stick not fully inserted.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Astro on February 26, 2016, 02:48:52 PM
Alright I am installing Windows and all that fun stuff. Once the video card was installed I had to hook my monitor to the video card instead of the motherboard which wasn't what I was thinking but it worked.  When I put the other stick of ram in it made my system just keep resetting before it could boot. I have done some trouble shooting but it works fine with the ram in b1 and b2.  The single stick would boot up in a2 so I don't think it is the motherboard.  I am pretty excited to be where I am.  Thanks for all of your help ari
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on February 26, 2016, 03:43:13 PM
Alright I am installing Windows and all that fun stuff. Once the video card was installed I had to hook my monitor to the video card instead of the motherboard which wasn't what I was thinking but it worked.  When I put the other stick of ram in it made my system just keep resetting before it could boot. I have done some trouble shooting but it works fine with the ram in b1 and b2.  The single stick would boot up in a2 so I don't think it is the motherboard.  I am pretty excited to be where I am.  Thanks for all of your help ari

Glad that worked out. Many first-time builders are tripped up by video cables, as there are multiple identical outputs on the back of a PC due to having a motherboard and video card. You can only get output through a video card if you directly attach your monitor to it.

Once you're done getting everything installed, try to run the RAM in slots A2 and B2, which strangely enough is the optimal position for it. If your sticks are right next to each other, they are on the same "channel", meaning you don't get a boost from "dual channel" operation.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: TheSLIP on February 27, 2016, 01:55:07 PM
My brother's been in the market for a new PC, and this seemed like the best value for the money. I'll be the one building it--I've replaced components before, but I've never built a PC from scratch. Needless to say, I'm excited about the challenge.

Everything in this build will fit inside the case, correct? No need to worry about that?

The only thing I'm fighting right now is my brother's impatience. The recommended graphics card is currently back-ordered for 2-4 weeks, and, being impatient, he wants to look at alternative cards that will give similar performance at a similar price point.  Any ideas here?

Thanks!
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: TheSLIP on February 27, 2016, 02:02:37 PM
Actually, this is it, no?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202185 (http://www.anrdoezrs.net/links/7120282/type/dlg/http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202185)
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on February 27, 2016, 02:20:50 PM
Actually, this is it, no?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202185 (http://www.anrdoezrs.net/links/7120282/type/dlg/http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202185)

Yes, that's the Sapphire Radeon R9 390X Nitro (http://www.anrdoezrs.net/links/7120282/type/dlg/http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202185) from Newegg, which is the same as the 390X from Amazon (http://amzn.to/1n5IidF), currently back-ordered. It's a top seller for a reason!

Another good model is the XFX 390X (http://amzn.to/212sWnD), which I'm going to update the guide to, since it's cheaper and in stock. These are the only two models of the 390X that TBG recommends, as they are custom-designed for the 390X GPU, unlike the Asus, MSI, and Gigabyte models.

All the gear will of course fit, but hold on a few minutes and you'll see the new March build, with an updated case and the in-stock video card pick!
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: TheSLIP on February 27, 2016, 02:24:09 PM
Thank you! He'll probably end up ordering it today so I'll have all the parts by Thursday or Friday for a good weekend project.

Thanks for putting together all the parts for the build. Really looking forward to this.

Am I correct in my understanding that the Nitro will have a little more oomph to it?

I know you mentioned there's the possibility of running in a Crossfire setup, so I figured I'd leave him the opportunity to add another card down the line, since his main concern is something that will hold up for a bit.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on February 27, 2016, 03:01:21 PM
Thank you! He'll probably end up ordering it today so I'll have all the parts by Thursday or Friday for a good weekend project.

Thanks for putting together all the parts for the build. Really looking forward to this.

Am I correct in my understanding that the Nitro will have a little more oomph to it?

I know you mentioned there's the possibility of running in a Crossfire setup, so I figured I'd leave him the opportunity to add another card down the line, since his main concern is something that will hold up for a bit.

The new March build is up. It's completely revamped, and I strongly recommend you go with it. The Sapphire and XFX cards are pretty similar, but feel free to go for the Sapphire at Newegg (http://www.anrdoezrs.net/links/7120282/type/dlg/http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202185) if you prefer. It has a very slight factory overclock (literally 5MHz, which will have no effect whatsoever), and both will hit around the same peak overclocks.

If you want to leave open the option of Crossfire, please upgrade the PSU as recommended in the guide. The stock 750W unit will not be sufficient!

By the way, the motherboard chosen for the build is out of stock until Tuesday - it sounds like you're in a rush, so go with this Gigabyte Z170X-SLI board (http://amzn.to/1n5OyC8). It's identical except for color, the lack of metal PCIe slots, and Killer networking. It will function very similarly to the board in the guide.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: TheSLIP on March 03, 2016, 02:33:08 PM
So everything's put together and running (only one false start because I forgot the power lead.  ;D

Anyway, the only problem I'm having right now is getting the Graphics Card to run over the built-in Intel stuff. It's plugged into the board, the backplate, all that. The problem is that when I run the Sapphire disc, I get an "Install Package Failure" option that I've yet to find a workaround for.  Any advice?
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on March 03, 2016, 03:04:53 PM
So everything's put together and running (only one false start because I forgot the power lead.  ;D

Anyway, the only problem I'm having right now is getting the Graphics Card to run over the built-in Intel stuff. It's plugged into the board, the backplate, all that. The problem is that when I run the Sapphire disc, I get an "Install Package Failure" option that I've yet to find a workaround for.  Any advice?

I'd recommend you download the drivers directly from AMD (http://support.amd.com/en-us/download). The drivers on the disc are sure to be out of date, and the issue you're having may just be an DVD error.

Also, make sure that you're running the system with your monitor cable connected to the video card and not the motherboard, and that your video card has two power leads connected to it.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: TheSLIP on March 03, 2016, 04:09:43 PM
Thanks, Ari. I ended up checking the inside on a hunch and found that the +2 on the 6+2's weren't inserted fully. Lightning fast, and my brother's happy. Great build.

The only thing is that both drives are detected in BIOS, but when the PC is on and running, only the SSD is picked up. I figure I did something wrong in plugging the drive in. Is there a set designation to make it a second drive that I missed? Or am I supposed to plug it into a different place?
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on March 03, 2016, 04:30:23 PM
Thanks, Ari. I ended up checking the inside on a hunch and found that the +2 on the 6+2's weren't inserted fully. Lightning fast, and my brother's happy. Great build.

The only thing is that both drives are detected in BIOS, but when the PC is on and running, only the SSD is picked up. I figure I did something wrong in plugging the drive in. Is there a set designation to make it a second drive that I missed? Or am I supposed to plug it into a different place?

Glad you got that figured out.

The reason the hard drive isn't showing up is that it's not initialized in Windows. Doing so is as simple as typing in "control panel" into the Windows search bar next to the start menu, selecting Security and Maintenance, and then Create and Format Hard Disk Partitions. There you'll see the hard drive listed and you can right click on it to initialize, and then follow that with a format.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: TheSLIP on March 03, 2016, 04:44:41 PM
Perfect. Thanks!  Between your build, your instructions, and your continued help, this has been a breeze.  Thank you again.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: TheJokawild on April 04, 2016, 07:57:52 AM
Hey this is going to be my first build, and im very excited but nervous. you're site has really helped me and this build as of apr 1st seems to be my best bet. but im wondering about some peripherals like my monitor and key board, im pretty set on my keyboard, but im curious about my monitor. will the xfx radeon r9 390x be able to give me good speeds at high/ultra settings on a 144Hz WQHD IPS LED 2560X1440 monitor or would I be best to go with a 1080p monitor? could you recommend a good monitor for me, something to balance performance and beauty at a half decent price (but Im willing to pay, im sick of dirty choppy gaming).

Also im currently managed by GeForce will I have a program to help me manage my game optimization? or will it all be manual?

Thanks guys
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on April 04, 2016, 08:38:33 AM
Hey this is going to be my first build, and im very excited but nervous. you're site has really helped me and this build as of apr 1st seems to be my best bet. but im wondering about some peripherals like my monitor and key board, im pretty set on my keyboard, but im curious about my monitor. will the xfx radeon r9 390x be able to give me good speeds at high/ultra settings on a 144Hz WQHD IPS LED 2560X1440 monitor or would I be best to go with a 1080p monitor? could you recommend a good monitor for me, something to balance performance and beauty at a half decent price (but Im willing to pay, im sick of dirty choppy gaming).

Also im currently managed by GeForce will I have a program to help me manage my game optimization? or will it all be manual?

Thanks guys

The 390X can definitely handle 1440p, particularly if you go with a FreeSync monitor. The very best model out there in terms of price and performance is the Acer XF270HU (http://amzn.to/1RA0EQu). It gives you a 27" 2560x1440 144Hz IPS panel, which is far superior to TN-based panels that are just a bit cheaper. You also get FreeSync to give you ultra-smooth framerates. Seriously, if that's what you're after, FreeSync is the solution.

AMD's Raptor app can help you manage settings for your games, just like GeForce Experience. It is included in the driver package.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: TheJokawild on April 04, 2016, 09:43:06 AM
im from toronto and i cant find that particular monitor on the amazon.ca but the one i do see here is a G-sync which by the sounds of this is the nvidia equivalent. this is the monitor im currently looking at, and to me (being a complete newie to all of this) it seems like it fits the same profile - https://www.amazon.ca/ASUS-MG279Q-FreeSync-2560X1440-DisplayPort/dp/B00ZOO348C/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1459787101&sr=8-1&keywords=asus+mg279q (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00ZOO348C/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=390961&creativeASIN=B00ZOO348C&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu06-20) - it should work the same no? will i even notice the difference between 1ms (acer) and 4ms (asus) response times?

now, for the future when i get to the actual build ill most likely be following your guide is there anything i should know before going in, like wire management, heating issues, psu issues with monitor, keyboard, and mouse hardwired (is that right? like cable connected)?

and what should i expect on the initial boot up w/o an OS?

also what is the maintenance like with this rig? do i need to keep an eye on my temps or any?
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on April 04, 2016, 10:47:17 AM
im from toronto and i cant find that particular monitor on the amazon.ca but the one i do see here is a G-sync which by the sounds of this is the nvidia equivalent. this is the monitor im currently looking at, and to me (being a complete newie to all of this) it seems like it fits the same profile - https://www.amazon.ca/ASUS-MG279Q-FreeSync-2560X1440-DisplayPort/dp/B00ZOO348C/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1459787101&sr=8-1&keywords=asus+mg279q (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00ZOO348C/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=390961&creativeASIN=B00ZOO348C&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu06-20) - it should work the same no? will i even notice the difference between 1ms (acer) and 4ms (asus) response times?

now, for the future when i get to the actual build ill most likely be following your guide is there anything i should know before going in, like wire management, heating issues, psu issues with monitor, keyboard, and mouse hardwired (is that right? like cable connected)?

and what should i expect on the initial boot up w/o an OS?

also what is the maintenance like with this rig? do i need to keep an eye on my temps or any?

The Asus MG279Q (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00ZOO348C/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=390961&creativeASIN=B00ZOO348C&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu06-20) you found on Amazon Canada is in fact essentially identical to the Acer XF270HU I linked to in the US. They will operate exactly the same, and have the same refresh rate, because they use the same panel. It also happens to be available at an exceptional price - what you found on Amazon Canada is actually cheaper than it would be in the US after taking into account the exchange rate.

As for your other questions,  I think that once you get your parts together, you'll find it's pretty easy to get everything connected. This system is well-cooled, so you don't need to worry about heating issues.

At initial bootup, you'll simply insert the Windows DVD into the optical drive and it will install the OS to the drive you select (which should be the SSD).
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: TheJokawild on April 04, 2016, 10:59:48 AM
im from toronto and i cant find that particular monitor on the amazon.ca but the one i do see here is a G-sync which by the sounds of this is the nvidia equivalent. this is the monitor im currently looking at, and to me (being a complete newie to all of this) it seems like it fits the same profile - https://www.amazon.ca/ASUS-MG279Q-FreeSync-2560X1440-DisplayPort/dp/B00ZOO348C/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1459787101&sr=8-1&keywords=asus+mg279q (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00ZOO348C/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=390961&creativeASIN=B00ZOO348C&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu06-20) - it should work the same no? will i even notice the difference between 1ms (acer) and 4ms (asus) response times?

now, for the future when i get to the actual build ill most likely be following your guide is there anything i should know before going in, like wire management, heating issues, psu issues with monitor, keyboard, and mouse hardwired (is that right? like cable connected)?

and what should i expect on the initial boot up w/o an OS?

also what is the maintenance like with this rig? do i need to keep an eye on my temps or any?

The Asus MG279Q (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00ZOO348C/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=390961&creativeASIN=B00ZOO348C&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu06-20) you found on Amazon Canada is in fact essentially identical to the Acer XF270HU I linked to in the US. They will operate exactly the same, and have the same refresh rate, because they use the same panel. It also happens to be available at an exceptional price - what you found on Amazon Canada is actually cheaper than it would be in the US after taking into account the exchange rate.

As for your other questions,  I think that once you get your parts together, you'll find it's pretty easy to get everything connected. This system is well-cooled, so you don't need to worry about heating issues.

At initial bootup, you'll simply insert the Windows DVD into the optical drive and it will install the OS to the drive you select (which should be the SSD).

Awesome, that's exactly what i wanted to hear.

Well i think thats all for me right now, thanks for all the heads up, when it comes time for me to put it all together ill probably be in touch again.

I think i have win8 on a usb somewhere that should work the same as a DVD right?
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on April 04, 2016, 04:59:47 PM


Awesome, that's exactly what i wanted to hear.

Well i think thats all for me right now, thanks for all the heads up, when it comes time for me to put it all together ill probably be in touch again.

I think i have win8 on a usb somewhere that should work the same as a DVD right?

If you have win8 on USB, then yes, you'll be able to install from USB at startup.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: TheJokawild on April 05, 2016, 09:36:00 AM


Awesome, that's exactly what i wanted to hear.

Well i think thats all for me right now, thanks for all the heads up, when it comes time for me to put it all together ill probably be in touch again.

I think i have win8 on a usb somewhere that should work the same as a DVD right?

If you have win8 on USB, then yes, you'll be able to install from USB at startup.

Hey, I cant find the Thermalite CPU cooler recommended in the build on the amazon.ca site can you recommend a good substitute?
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on April 05, 2016, 10:45:39 AM


Awesome, that's exactly what i wanted to hear.

Well i think thats all for me right now, thanks for all the heads up, when it comes time for me to put it all together ill probably be in touch again.

I think i have win8 on a usb somewhere that should work the same as a DVD right?

If you have win8 on USB, then yes, you'll be able to install from USB at startup.

Hey, I cant find the Thermalite CPU cooler recommended in the build on the amazon.ca site can you recommend a good substitute?

As it turns out, it's very hard to find Thermalright products in Canada. The good news, however, is that Noctua, which makes the very best air coolers on the market, is available in Canada. I highly recommend the NH-U14S (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00C76WV3O/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=330641&creativeASIN=B00C76WV3O&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu06-20), which is what I personally use in my 6700K/R9 390X build. It also happens to be cheaper in Canada than in the U.S. when accounting for the exchange rate!
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: TheJokawild on April 05, 2016, 10:59:00 AM


Awesome, that's exactly what i wanted to hear.

Well i think thats all for me right now, thanks for all the heads up, when it comes time for me to put it all together ill probably be in touch again.

I think i have win8 on a usb somewhere that should work the same as a DVD right?

If you have win8 on USB, then yes, you'll be able to install from USB at startup.

Hey, I cant find the Thermalite CPU cooler recommended in the build on the amazon.ca site can you recommend a good substitute?

As it turns out, it's very hard to find Thermalright products in Canada. The good news, however, is that Noctua, which makes the very best air coolers on the market, is available in Canada. I highly recommend the NH-U14S (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00C76WV3O/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=15121&creative=330641&creativeASIN=B00C76WV3O&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu06-20), which is what I personally use in my 6700K/R9 390X build. It also happens to cheaper in Canada in the U.S. when accounting for the exchange rate!

You ARE the best! Thanks again
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: cre02 on May 06, 2016, 12:07:56 PM
Hi i researched more about the parts information and saw that the motherboard has 4 DDR4 slots but intel core i7-6700k supports only 2. Also the RAM is 3000Mhz but the CPU can only support 2133Mhz. So my question is if i upgrade the RAM with 2 more sticks will the CPU support them and will these 3000Mhz be used from the CPU with the full 3000Mhz or it will use them with only 2133Mhz. :-\ :-\
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on May 06, 2016, 12:16:48 PM
Hi i researched more about the parts information and saw that the motherboard has 4 DDR4 slots but intel core i7-6700k supports only 2. Also the RAM is 3000Mhz but the CPU can only support 2133Mhz. So my question is if i upgrade the RAM with 2 more sticks will the CPU support them and will these 3000Mhz be used from the CPU with the full 3000Mhz or it will use them with only 2133Mhz. :-\ :-\

The DDR4-2133 specification is the reference speed for all Skylake-generation processors. That does not mean you cannot use faster RAM with the appropriate motherboard, such as the Z170 board recommended in this guide, which allows memory overclocking, either manually or via the XMP profile.

As for the module limitation, there is no such limit on the 6700K. It can use four modules just like all other Skylake processors. Again, this is dependent on the motherboard, and the one selected for this guide supports four sticks.

And if you still have doubts, TBG in fact runs a Core i7-6700K benchmarking system nearly identical to the $1,500 build, but with four sticks of DDR4-3000 memory, and I can assure you that it works perfectly. Check it out below!

(http://techbuyersguru.com/sites/default/files/pictures/TBGbuilds/HighEndBuild2016/High-End%202016%20Lit%20Up%20800.JPG)
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: wylie102 on August 27, 2016, 09:10:01 AM
Hi, prospective first time builder here. I've had a bit of a look around and have settled on the idea of building a rig around the 1070 (something simmilar to your $1500 high end gaming PC) with a view to adding a second 1070 in SLI somewhere down the line if it starts to feel slow, or if 4K gaming becomes more viable (and the 1070 comes down in price) ending up with something similar to your $2500 build.

My question is kind of twofold.

1. Would the $1500 build be suitable for this?
2. What are the best value upgrades I can make if buying now to futureproof it in this direction for the future (i.e. not have to replace extra components), or would I be better off getting these further down the line also as they may have dropped in price.

So essentially, what's the best way of future proofing it right now if I'm willing to spend a little more?

Thanks in advance,

Tom
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on August 27, 2016, 09:27:06 AM
Welcome to The TBG Forum, wylie102!

There are two upgrades I'd recommend if you're serious about going 1070 SLI later on, as follows:

(1) A bigger case with more cooling. Look at the Enthoo Pro case in the $2,000 Build (http://techbuyersguru.com/2000-premium-gaming-pc-build), which offers more space and better cooling for only slightly more money, although it's bigger than the Pro M model, which is why not everyone will appreciate it. Having that extra space inside is critical when running dual video cards.

(2) Go with 16GB of RAM. Again, you can look to the $2,000 Build for the best pick there. An SLI system will run more smoothly with more RAM (I've found that a large page file is required when running SLI systems on lower amounts of RAM).

Everything else will be fine, including the PSU, as GTX 1070 SLI  paired with a Core i7-6700K only draws 350-400W, amazingly enough. That's massively efficient for the power.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: wylie102 on August 27, 2016, 10:15:11 AM
Welcome to The TBG Forum, wylie102!

There are two upgrades I'd recommend if you're serious about going 1070 SLI later on, as follows:

(1) A bigger case with more cooling. Look at the Enthoo Pro case in the $2,000 Build (http://techbuyersguru.com/2000-premium-gaming-pc-build), which offers more space and better cooling for only slightly more space, although it's bigger than the Pro M model, which is why not everyone will appreciate it. Having that extra space inside is critical when running dual video cards.

(2) Go with 16GB of RAM. Again, you can look to the $2,000 Build for the best pick there. An SLI system will run more smoothly with more RAM (I've found that a large page file is required when running SLI systems on lower amounts of RAM).

Everything else will be fine, including the PSU, as GTX 1070 SLI  paired with a Core i7-6700K only draws 350-400W, amazingly enough. That's massively efficient for the power.

Awesome! Thanks for the help and the quick reply!
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on August 27, 2016, 10:29:58 AM
Welcome to The TBG Forum, wylie102!

There are two upgrades I'd recommend if you're serious about going 1070 SLI later on, as follows:

(1) A bigger case with more cooling. Look at the Enthoo Pro case in the $2,000 Build (http://techbuyersguru.com/2000-premium-gaming-pc-build), which offers more space and better cooling for only slightly more space, although it's bigger than the Pro M model, which is why not everyone will appreciate it. Having that extra space inside is critical when running dual video cards.

(2) Go with 16GB of RAM. Again, you can look to the $2,000 Build for the best pick there. An SLI system will run more smoothly with more RAM (I've found that a large page file is required when running SLI systems on lower amounts of RAM).

Everything else will be fine, including the PSU, as GTX 1070 SLI  paired with a Core i7-6700K only draws 350-400W, amazingly enough. That's massively efficient for the power.

Awesome! Thanks for the help and the quick reply!

If you look at the photo a few posts up, you'll see a TBG sample build with a single GTX 1070 in the Pro M case. It's a great combo, but got tight when I added a second card. The TBG SLI bench system was therefore moved to a different case.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Chongo on August 27, 2016, 07:56:28 PM
Hey there ari! I decided to make my very first pc build and so far I'm really enjoying it. As of right now everything is installed on my motherboard besides my graphics card and plug-ins. But frankly I came across something that I wasnt quite sure about. I have 2 cpu fans, both have 3 insert holes but where my cpu cords need to be plugged into have 4 prongs, is it OK to plug it in still or will it mess something up?

Ps this is the August pc build :) thx!
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: FaustoBrito on August 27, 2016, 08:08:26 PM
I'm hoping I'm in the right place to ask this question, please bare with me :)
I have been looking to build my first real Video Editing/Gaming? PC and I came across this article. I like everything that I see but as much as I will enjoy gaming on the PC, I am more of a console gamer. I want a strong PC that will handle Live streaming programs and all that jazz.

I am looking to use a facecam with my streams using the El Gato HD60's "Stream Command" feature which requires this : 2nd generation Intel Core i7 CPU (i7-2xxx or comparable), 2 Ghz or higher, before Turbo Boost 4GB RAM (or higher)
Obviously as I will mainly be using my PC for video editing, I will like to have alot of memory as well. So this is my real question: Since I wont be trying to push the limits of PC games, but rather casually enjoy them, can you modify this setup a tad to better suit my needs? For example, go a little cheaper on the components focused more on gaming and getting better parts to suit my streaming.

I'm sorry if this sounds noobish, I havent built my own PC in years, and back then I had a much smaller budget. My current budget is $1000-$1500(Max)
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on August 27, 2016, 09:35:12 PM
Hey there ari! I decided to make my very first pc build and so far I'm really enjoying it. As of right now everything is installed on my motherboard besides my graphics card and plug-ins. But frankly I came across something that I wasnt quite sure about. I have 2 cpu fans, both have 3 insert holes but where my cpu cords need to be plugged into have 4 prongs, is it OK to plug it in still or will it mess something up?

Ps this is the August pc build :) thx!

Welcome to the TBG Forum, Chongo!

You'll have no problem plugging your 3-pin fan power cables into the 4-pin headers on the motherboard. The fourth pin is there to enable pulse-width modulation (PWM) control, but fans don't need that control to operate correctly. All modern motherboards offer another method of fan control (called DC fan control) to allow them to control fans with 3-pin connectors.

Definitely report back when the build is complete!
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on August 27, 2016, 09:51:14 PM
I'm hoping I'm in the right place to ask this question, please bare with me :)
I have been looking to build my first real Video Editing/Gaming? PC and I came across this article. I like everything that I see but as much as I will enjoy gaming on the PC, I am more of a console gamer. I want a strong PC that will handle Live streaming programs and all that jazz.

I am looking to use a facecam with my streams using the El Gato HD60's "Stream Command" feature which requires this : 2nd generation Intel Core i7 CPU (i7-2xxx or comparable), 2 Ghz or higher, before Turbo Boost 4GB RAM (or higher)
Obviously as I will mainly be using my PC for video editing, I will like to have alot of memory as well. So this is my real question: Since I wont be trying to push the limits of PC games, but rather casually enjoy them, can you modify this setup a tad to better suit my needs? For example, go a little cheaper on the components focused more on gaming and getting better parts to suit my streaming.

I'm sorry if this sounds noobish, I havent built my own PC in years, and back then I had a much smaller budget. My current budget is $1000-$1500(Max)

Welcome to the TBG Forum, FaustoBrito!

For your needs, I'd recommend you make the following changes to the $1,500 Build:

(1) Upgrade to the RAM configuration listed in the $1,750 Build (http://techbuyersguru.com/1750-advanced-gaming-productivity-pc-build) (16GB of DDR4-3200)
(2) Downgrade to the video card listed in the $1,250 Build (http://techbuyersguru.com/1250-quiet-gaming-pc-build) (the Asus GeForce GTX 1060 6GB)

The extra RAM will be essential to flawless game streaming, as games can use close to 8GB on their own. And while that adds about $40 to the price, dropping down to the GTX 1060 lowers the price by $120, so overall, you'll save $80 off the $1,500 Build's current price, and will have a system that's a better match for your needs. The Asus GTX 1060 is particularly well-suited for video streaming because it runs in near silence.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: FaustoBrito on August 27, 2016, 10:39:37 PM
As for the monitor, currently I game on a BenQ RL2455HM 24-Inch LED Console Gaming Monitor, I was thinking of just getting another as I dont like it when monitors dont match. Would this be ok or would I be underutilizing my PC?

Thanks so much for your help, it's greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Chongo on August 28, 2016, 12:49:01 AM
I'm hoping I'm in the right place to ask this question, please bare with me :)
I have been looking to build my first real Video Editing/Gaming? PC and I came across this article. I like everything that I see but as much as I will enjoy gaming on the PC, I am more of a console gamer. I want a strong PC that will handle Live streaming programs and all that jazz.

I am looking to use a facecam with my streams using the El Gato HD60's "Stream Command" feature which requires this : 2nd generation Intel Core i7 CPU (i7-2xxx or comparable), 2 Ghz or higher, before Turbo Boost 4GB RAM (or higher)
Obviously as I will mainly be using my PC for video editing, I will like to have alot of memory as well. So this is my real question: Since I wont be trying to push the limits of PC games, but rather casually enjoy them, can you modify this setup a tad to better suit my needs? For example, go a little cheaper on the components focused more on gaming and getting better parts to suit my streaming.

I'm sorry if this sounds noobish, I havent built my own PC in years, and back then I had a much smaller budget. My current budget is $1000-$1500(Max)

Welcome to the TBG Forum, FaustoBrito!

For your needs, I'd recommend you make the following changes to the $1,500 Build:

(1) Upgrade to the RAM configuration listed in the $1,750 Build (http://techbuyersguru.com/1750-advanced-gaming-productivity-pc-build) (16GB of DDR4-3200)
(2) Downgrade to the video card listed in the $1,250 Build (http://techbuyersguru.com/1250-quiet-gaming-pc-build) (the Asus GeForce GTX 1060 6GB)

The extra RAM will be essential to flawless game streaming, as games can use close to 8GB on their own. And while that adds about $40 to the price, dropping down to the GTX 1060 lowers the price by $120, so overall, you'll save $80 off the $1,500 Build's current price, and will have a system that's a better match for your needs. The Asus GTX 1060 is particularly well-suited for video streaming because it runs in near silence.


Alright ari thank you!
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on August 28, 2016, 05:47:10 AM
As for the monitor, currently I game on a BenQ RL2455HM 24-Inch LED Console Gaming Monitor, I was thinking of just getting another as I dont like it when monitors dont match. Would this be ok or would I be underutilizing my PC?

Thanks so much for your help, it's greatly appreciated.

I assume you want a setup where one monitor will run games while the other has your streaming application open. The monitor you have right now is pretty good, but the system your building can actually run a 1080p/144Hz monitor or a 1440p/G-Sync monitor quite well, and either would provide a better, smoother gaming experience than what you have.

Have a look at the TBG Monitor Buyer's Guide (http://techbuyersguru.com/monitor-buyers-guide). The monitors I particularly recommend for your setup are the Acer XB241 and Dell S2716.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: wylie102 on August 28, 2016, 09:41:18 AM
Welcome to The TBG Forum, wylie102!

There are two upgrades I'd recommend if you're serious about going 1070 SLI later on, as follows:

(1) A bigger case with more cooling. Look at the Enthoo Pro case in the $2,000 Build (http://techbuyersguru.com/2000-premium-gaming-pc-build), which offers more space and better cooling for only slightly more space, although it's bigger than the Pro M model, which is why not everyone will appreciate it. Having that extra space inside is critical when running dual video cards.

(2) Go with 16GB of RAM. Again, you can look to the $2,000 Build for the best pick there. An SLI system will run more smoothly with more RAM (I've found that a large page file is required when running SLI systems on lower amounts of RAM).

Everything else will be fine, including the PSU, as GTX 1070 SLI  paired with a Core i7-6700K only draws 350-400W, amazingly enough. That's massively efficient for the power.

Awesome! Thanks for the help and the quick reply!

If you look at the photo a few posts up, you'll see a TBG sample build with a single GTX 1070 in the Pro M case. It's a great combo, but got tight when I added a second card. The TBG SLI bench system was therefore moved to a different case.

A couple of follow up questions,

1. What are the differences between the Z170 motherboard in this build and the Z170 boards in the higher end builds? I can see there's about a £70 difference in price from this to the board in the $2500 build but I can't really tell the feature differences.

2. Looking in the gallery I saw that on some previous builds you had recommended cards with water cooling, such as the hybrid or sea hawk cards. I can't find anything really written about those types of cards on the site though, was it just for particular cards (I think it was the 980ti) that had high overclocking potential you found a benefit or do they give decent improvements in general (I'm mainly wondering about the cooling of the case with two graphics cards in there.

Thanks again,

Tom
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on August 28, 2016, 10:19:25 AM

A couple of follow up questions,

1. What are the differences between the Z170 motherboard in this build and the Z170 boards in the higher end builds? I can see there's about a £70 difference in price from this to the board in the $2500 build but I can't really tell the feature differences.

2. Looking in the gallery I saw that on some previous builds you had recommended cards with water cooling, such as the hybrid or sea hawk cards. I can't find anything really written about those types of cards on the site though, was it just for particular cards (I think it was the 980ti) that had high overclocking potential you found a benefit or do they give decent improvements in general (I'm mainly wondering about the cooling of the case with two graphics cards in there.

Thanks again,

Tom

Great questions!

Lots of builders ask about differences in motherboards. The one thing you do not get with more expensive motherboards is better performance. But you do get things like LED lighting, onboard diagnostic displays, more M.2 slots, better audio, and more USB ports, including cutting edge USB 3.1 Type C which will eventually replace all other I/O interfaces. If you don't mind giving some of those features up, the board in the $1500 build will work just fine.

The 1070 Sea Hawk sometimes shows up in the $2500 guide, but it's a lot less critical than when people had to use the 980 Ti to get the same performance. The 1070 is incredibly efficient.

Edit: I'm seeing the GTX 1070 Sea Hawk (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01GVHNX5O/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1634&creative=6738&creativeASIN=B01GVHNX5O&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu-21) out of stock in the UK, and the £40 premium you'd have to pay for it over the MSI GTX 1070 Gaming X (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01GRCYPE6/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1634&creative=6738&creativeASIN=B01GRCYPE6&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu-21) is probably only worth it for those looking for every last bit of performance. The Gaming X is already an excellent and cool-running card.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: wylie102 on August 29, 2016, 07:43:48 AM

A couple of follow up questions,

1. What are the differences between the Z170 motherboard in this build and the Z170 boards in the higher end builds? I can see there's about a £70 difference in price from this to the board in the $2500 build but I can't really tell the feature differences.

2. Looking in the gallery I saw that on some previous builds you had recommended cards with water cooling, such as the hybrid or sea hawk cards. I can't find anything really written about those types of cards on the site though, was it just for particular cards (I think it was the 980ti) that had high overclocking potential you found a benefit or do they give decent improvements in general (I'm mainly wondering about the cooling of the case with two graphics cards in there.

Thanks again,

Tom

Great questions!

Lots of builders ask about differences in motherboards. The one thing you do not get with more expensive motherboard is better performance. But you do get things like LED lighting, onboard diagnostic displays, more M.2 slots, better audio, and more USB ports, including cutting edge USB 3.1 Type C which will eventually replace all other I/O interfaces. If you don't mind giving some of those features up, the board in the $1500 build will work just fine.

The 1070 Sea Hawk sometimes shows up in the $2500 guide, but it's a lot less critical than when people had to use the 980 Ti to get the same performance. The 1070 is incredibly efficient.

Edit: I'm seeing the GTX 1070 Sea Hawk (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01GVHNX5O/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1634&creative=6738&creativeASIN=B01GVHNX5O&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu-21) out of stock in the UK, and the £40 premium you'd have to pay for it over the MSI GTX 1070 Gaming X (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01GRCYPE6/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1634&creative=6738&creativeASIN=B01GRCYPE6&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu-21) is probably only worth it for those looking for every last bit of performance. The Gaming X is already an excellent and cool-running card.

Thanks again. I saw some SeaHawk cards at overclockers.co.uk but they were quite pricey, like you said I don't think it's necessary, certainly not for the first card. Maybe for the second if they're cheap and still being made when I feel the need for one, or I manage to pick one up second hand. Otherwise I'd probably just go for a blower design for the second one. I'm pretty sure it was an article on here you said you achieved better temperatures with one blower and one open air card (as long as you mount them correctly).

Do you think it would be worth going with a something like the h100i v2 since I plan to eventually have an SLI setup? Or is the whole thing low power enough that it's not really necessary?
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on August 29, 2016, 07:59:03 AM

A couple of follow up questions,

1. What are the differences between the Z170 motherboard in this build and the Z170 boards in the higher end builds? I can see there's about a £70 difference in price from this to the board in the $2500 build but I can't really tell the feature differences.

2. Looking in the gallery I saw that on some previous builds you had recommended cards with water cooling, such as the hybrid or sea hawk cards. I can't find anything really written about those types of cards on the site though, was it just for particular cards (I think it was the 980ti) that had high overclocking potential you found a benefit or do they give decent improvements in general (I'm mainly wondering about the cooling of the case with two graphics cards in there.

Thanks again,

Tom

Great questions!

Lots of builders ask about differences in motherboards. The one thing you do not get with more expensive motherboard is better performance. But you do get things like LED lighting, onboard diagnostic displays, more M.2 slots, better audio, and more USB ports, including cutting edge USB 3.1 Type C which will eventually replace all other I/O interfaces. If you don't mind giving some of those features up, the board in the $1500 build will work just fine.

The 1070 Sea Hawk sometimes shows up in the $2500 guide, but it's a lot less critical than when people had to use the 980 Ti to get the same performance. The 1070 is incredibly efficient.

Edit: I'm seeing the GTX 1070 Sea Hawk (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01GVHNX5O/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1634&creative=6738&creativeASIN=B01GVHNX5O&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu-21) out of stock in the UK, and the £40 premium you'd have to pay for it over the MSI GTX 1070 Gaming X (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01GRCYPE6/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1634&creative=6738&creativeASIN=B01GRCYPE6&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu-21) is probably only worth it for those looking for every last bit of performance. The Gaming X is already an excellent and cool-running card.

Thanks again. I saw some SeaHawk cards at overclockers.co.uk but they were quite pricey, like you said I don't think it's necessary, certainly not for the first card. Maybe for the second if they're cheap and still being made when I feel the need for one, or I manage to pick one up second hand. Otherwise I'd probably just go for a blower design for the second one. I'm pretty sure it was an article on here you said you achieved better temperatures with one blower and one open air card (as long as you mount them correctly).

Do you think it would be worth going with a something like the h100i v2 since I plan to eventually have an SLI setup? Or is the whole thing low power enough that it's not really necessary?

Yes, indeed, I always run an open-air cooler and a blower cooler for SLI, as I find this to be a great setup for cooling purposes. I've done that with 780 Ti SLI, 980 Ti SLI, and now 1070 SLI. For the 1070, it's less critical, and I might recommend you just stick with matched open-air cards as they are typically cheaper than the Founders Edition, which is the opposite of past generations.

As for the CPU cooler, no, you don't need to go liquid with dual 1070 cards. I've run both an air-cooled 6700K with 1070 SLI and a liquid-cooled 6900K with 1070 SLI, and the 6700K was definitely more than cool enough with its air cooler. I don't recommend that setup for Broadwell-E processors, however.

By the way, in term of motherboards, the Gigabyte Z170X-Gaming 3 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B013E37MD2/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1634&creative=6738&creativeASIN=B013E37MD2&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu-21) is uncommonly well-equipped for the price. Spending 25% more for the Gaming 5 model (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B013E37HUA/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1634&creative=6738&creativeASIN=B013E37HUA&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu-21), for example, only gets you onboard diagnostics, two more USB ports, a DisplayPort output rather than legacy DVI/VGA, and slightly upgraded sound. Nice upgrades, but not essential. They are "features", rather than performance enhancers.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: wylie102 on August 30, 2016, 05:15:02 AM

A couple of follow up questions,

1. What are the differences between the Z170 motherboard in this build and the Z170 boards in the higher end builds? I can see there's about a £70 difference in price from this to the board in the $2500 build but I can't really tell the feature differences.

2. Looking in the gallery I saw that on some previous builds you had recommended cards with water cooling, such as the hybrid or sea hawk cards. I can't find anything really written about those types of cards on the site though, was it just for particular cards (I think it was the 980ti) that had high overclocking potential you found a benefit or do they give decent improvements in general (I'm mainly wondering about the cooling of the case with two graphics cards in there.

Thanks again,

Tom

Great questions!

Lots of builders ask about differences in motherboards. The one thing you do not get with more expensive motherboard is better performance. But you do get things like LED lighting, onboard diagnostic displays, more M.2 slots, better audio, and more USB ports, including cutting edge USB 3.1 Type C which will eventually replace all other I/O interfaces. If you don't mind giving some of those features up, the board in the $1500 build will work just fine.

The 1070 Sea Hawk sometimes shows up in the $2500 guide, but it's a lot less critical than when people had to use the 980 Ti to get the same performance. The 1070 is incredibly efficient.

Edit: I'm seeing the GTX 1070 Sea Hawk (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01GVHNX5O/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1634&creative=6738&creativeASIN=B01GVHNX5O&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu-21) out of stock in the UK, and the £40 premium you'd have to pay for it over the MSI GTX 1070 Gaming X (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01GRCYPE6/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1634&creative=6738&creativeASIN=B01GRCYPE6&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu-21) is probably only worth it for those looking for every last bit of performance. The Gaming X is already an excellent and cool-running card.

Thanks again. I saw some SeaHawk cards at overclockers.co.uk but they were quite pricey, like you said I don't think it's necessary, certainly not for the first card. Maybe for the second if they're cheap and still being made when I feel the need for one, or I manage to pick one up second hand. Otherwise I'd probably just go for a blower design for the second one. I'm pretty sure it was an article on here you said you achieved better temperatures with one blower and one open air card (as long as you mount them correctly).

Do you think it would be worth going with a something like the h100i v2 since I plan to eventually have an SLI setup? Or is the whole thing low power enough that it's not really necessary?

Yes, indeed, I always run an open-air cooler and a blower cooler for SLI, as I find this to be a great setup for cooling purposes. I've done that with 780 Ti SLI, 980 Ti SLI, and now 1070 SLI. For the 1070, it's less critical, and I might recommend you just stick with matched open-air cards as they are typically cheaper than the Founders Edition, which is the opposite of past generations.

As for the CPU cooler, no, you don't need to go liquid with dual 1070 cards. I've run both an air-cooled 6700K with 1070 SLI and a liquid-cooled 6900K with 1070 SLI, and the 6700K was definitely more than cool enough with its air cooler. I don't recommend that setup for Broadwell-E processors, however.

By the way, in term of motherboards, the Gigabyte Z170X-Gaming 3 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B013E37MD2/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1634&creative=6738&creativeASIN=B013E37MD2&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu-21) is uncommonly well-equipped for the price. Spending 25% more for the Gaming 5 model (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B013E37HUA/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1634&creative=6738&creativeASIN=B013E37HUA&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu-21), for example, only gets you onboard diagnostics, two more USB ports, a DisplayPort output rather than legacy DVI/VGA, and slightly upgraded sound. Nice upgrades, but not essential. They are "features", rather than performance enhancers.

Thanks for that. I've managed to find the specs for the motherboards now (amazon doesn't really go into it), I think I'd go with the 5 or the 7 as I'd want display port.

That's interesting regarding the cooling.

It seems like internal case temperature would affect the performance of the GPUs, I'm basing that on your article regarding blower vs open air configurations in SLI and off a Linus Tech tips video where they demonstrated throttling of cards run in SLI if they are placed on closer slots vs further away (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFJ2pubMveE).

It would be interesting to see whether CPU air vs AIO liquid coolers has an effect on the GPU performance at all through affecting case temperature.

Essentially my point would be that if graphics cards do start to throttle when unable to cool effectively due to local interference from another graphics card. Would the heat from the CPU have the same effect when dispersed from an air cooler? And would the additional airflow from an AIO liquid cooler set to vent the air out aid the GPU performance. Or is it just the very local heat from an adjacent or poorly situated card in SLI that makes the difference.

Have you looked into this on equivalent systems at all? It might make a good gamers bench article and dissuade more people from unnecessarily buying liquid CPU coolers.

You could do SLI cards and air cooled CPU vs SLI cards and a liquid cooled CPU vs SLI cards and an air cooled CPU with additional fans where you would have had the AIO radiator fans if liquid cooling?

Or do you basically know the answer from just having built a load of PCs? (As I said I'm yet to build my first)

Tom
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on August 30, 2016, 09:02:26 AM
Tom,

I haven't performed the entire range of tests you're suggesting (various SLI liquid and air cooling configurations and various CPU liquid and air cooling configurations in a single review), but I can tell you this: the amount and direction of heat exhausted from a CPU tower cooler is small compared to the heat thrown off by a GPU. Consider that even an overclocked 8-core CPU only uses about 200W, while a single GTX 1080 uses about that much at stock speeds. Also consider that heat rises, so a tower-style CPU cooler has little chance of directly affecting video cards, and with good case ventilation will have little affect on case temperatures.

To the contrary, open-air cards in SLI can most definitely affect CPU temperatures when using CPU air coolers, but not when using CPU liquid coolers. Again... heat rises, so it's the CPU that needs the additional cooling. With a 6700K, overheating isn't much of a concern, although TBG's SLI-based System Buyer's Guides always include a liquid CPU cooler for this reason. If you upgrade a single-GPU build  to SLI later on, yes, your air-cooled CPU will heat up a bit more, but not enough to be worried about.

On a sidenote, this is why I am not going to get onboard with Corsair's latest push for inverted cases, like the Carbide 600C (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B016IAM7D8/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1634&creative=6738&creativeASIN=B016IAM7D8&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu-21). If tested under Corsair's ideal parameters, a case like this will demonstrate lower CPU temperatures, but will suffer greatly in an SLI setup. I actually published a review of a similar case from SilverStone several years ago, the TJ08-E (http://techbuyersguru.com/silverstone-tj08-e-matx-case-review), and in informal testing, during which I flipped the case upside down, the GPU did indeed drop in temperature.

So, in essence, I'd say I understand case thermal dynamics enough to recommend the best solutions without trying every single configuration out. ;)
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: wylie102 on August 30, 2016, 02:49:14 PM
Tom,

I haven't performed the entire range of tests you're suggesting (various SLI liquid and air cooling configurations and various CPU liquid and air cooling configurations in a single review), but I can tell you this: the amount and direction of heat exhausted from a CPU tower cooler is small compared to the heat thrown off by a GPU. Consider that even an overclocked 8-core CPU only uses about 200W, while a single GTX 1080 uses about that much at stock speeds. Also consider that heat rises, so a tower-style CPU cooler has little chance of directly affecting video cards, and with good case ventilation will have little affect on case temperatures.

To the contrary, open-air cards in SLI can most definitely affect CPU temperatures when using CPU air coolers, but not when using CPU liquid coolers. Again... heat rises, so it's the CPU that needs the additional cooling. With a 6700K, overheating isn't much of a concern, although TBG's SLI-based System Buyer's Guides always include a liquid CPU cooler for this reason. If you upgrade a single-GPU build  to SLI later on, yes, your air-cooled CPU will heat up a bit more, but not enough to be worried about.

On a sidenote, this is why I am not going to get onboard with Corsair's latest push for inverted cases, like the Carbide 600C (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B016IAM7D8/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1634&creative=6738&creativeASIN=B016IAM7D8&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu-21). If tested under Corsair's ideal parameters, a case like this will demonstrate lower CPU temperatures, but will suffer greatly in an SLI setup. I actually published a review of a similar case from SilverStone several years ago, the TJ08-E (http://techbuyersguru.com/silverstone-tj08-e-matx-case-review), and in informal testing, during which I flipped the case upside down, the GPU did indeed drop in temperature.

So, in essence, I'd say I understand case thermal dynamics enough to recommend the best solutions without trying every single configuration out. ;)

Cool, makes total sense, a nice quiet air cooler it is then. Thanks for answering all my questions, Ari. Between this and your excellent guides and Gamerbench articles, it's really cleared a lot of things up!

Tom
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: FaustoBrito on September 02, 2016, 06:13:46 PM
Hey Ari, currently I'm in a pickle. I spoke to a friend of mine that knows about building PC's and he suggested I replace the
Toshiba OCZ Trion 150 960GB 2.5" 7mm SATA III Internal Solid State Drive TRN150-25SAT3-960G suggested in the $1500 build with one of the Samsung 850 SSD's. What are your thoughts on this? I have experience with the Samsung SSD's as I bought one for my mac not too long ago. Just curious on what your take is.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on September 02, 2016, 07:36:29 PM
Hey Ari, currently I'm in a pickle. I spoke to a friend of mine that knows about building PC's and he suggested I replace the
Toshiba OCZ Trion 150 960GB 2.5" 7mm SATA III Internal Solid State Drive TRN150-25SAT3-960G suggested in the $1500 build with one of the Samsung 850 SSD's. What are your thoughts on this? I have experience with the Samsung SSD's as I bought one for my mac not too long ago. Just curious on what your take is.

Have a look at my latest SSD review (http://techbuyersguru.com/samsung-950-pro-512gb-review), of the 950 Pro, to understand why I picked the Trion 150 for this build. The 850 Evo 1TB is excellent but not cost effective at this budget level.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Blackdog990 on September 02, 2016, 08:48:02 PM
Im considering this 1500 build with ram bumped to 16gigs and the video card to the gtx 1080. I figure if im gonna invest, i might as well splurge some to give the system a little more longevity (im taregting high fps 1440p gaming). That said, the reviews of the 1080 on amazon say the card can frequently overheat. Should i be upgrading the case cooling fan with the new video card or are there any other things i should consider if making that move?
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on September 02, 2016, 09:54:58 PM
Im considering this 1500 build with ram bumped to 16gigs and the video card to the gtx 1080. I figure if im gonna invest, i might as well splurge some to give the system a little more longevity (im taregting high fps 1440p gaming). That said, the reviews of the 1080 on amazon say the card can frequently overheat. Should i be upgrading the case cooling fan with the new video card or are there any other things i should consider if making that move?

Welcome to The TBG Forum, Blackdog990!

I have the EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 SC (http://amzn.to/2clJCWr), and it most certainly doesn't overheat. The cooler on the GeForce GTX 1080 FTW (http://amzn.to/2c1EGaq) is even more capable, as it uses larger-diameter fans.

I think what you're reading in user reviews is people misunderstanding how Pascal clockrates work. They are completely dynamic, regardless of temperature, whereas in the past clockrates would hold constant until a certain temperature threshold was reached. That is no longer true. All custom-cooled GTX 1080 cards will run at under 80C, which is absolutely fine, and cannot be considered "overheating."  In other words, you won't need additional case cooling to compensate. In fact with two 140mm case fans, this build is already quite well equipped, even for the upgrade to a GTX 1080. By the way, in my benchmarking, the GTX 1080 is about 24% faster than the GTX 1070, which is certainly noticeable, especially with 1440p/high-refresh rate gaming.

As for the upgrade to 16GB, I agree that is a good investment if you plan on keeping the system a long time, although more RAM can always be added later.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Blackdog990 on September 03, 2016, 06:50:28 AM
Thank you for the insight! I've got two other questions on this build if you dont mind (forgive me, I've been out of the PC world since WoW WOTLK so I'm feeling very behind on the times)

1-I'm debating running an Ethernet to where my PC will be (a royal pain) and just using wifi. From my ipad running speedtest where the pc wold sit, I get ~35mbs down, 5.8 up, and 40 ping (not sure what ping to game server would be though.) From my hardline, i really only gain another ~20mbs down and ping dropped to 20. I'm of the mind that I likely would not experience much difference while gaming (barring a bunch of people simultaneously hooking up to the wifi.) Would you agree? If so, would the BT/wifi card combo you present in the network buyers guide be sufficient to pull in what my router is putting out?

2-I am also considering the Acer Predator XB271HU from your monitor guide. It seems like a good mid-high end display that will give me the upgraded 1440p experience without going absolutely nuts on cost. That said, I noticed it uses a "display port" cable which i have never seen before. I noticed above you mention that upgrading the motherboard from the 1500 build nets a display port output. Would i want to get the "gaming 5" motherboard to take advantage of the display port for this monitor or would i be plugging this directly into the video card anyway?

Appreciate your help, this website is really exactly what I hoped to find when i started thinking about taking this project on!
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on September 03, 2016, 08:13:25 AM
Thank you for the insight! I've got two other questions on this build if you dont mind (forgive me, I've been out of the PC world since WoW WOTLK so I'm feeling very behind on the times)

1-I'm debating running an Ethernet to where my PC will be (a royal pain) and just using wifi. From my ipad running speedtest where the pc wold sit, I get ~35mbs down, 5.8 up, and 40 ping (not sure what ping to game server would be though.) From my hardline, i really only gain another ~20mbs down and ping dropped to 20. I'm of the mind that I likely would not experience much difference while gaming (barring a bunch of people simultaneously hooking up to the wifi.) Would you agree? If so, would the BT/wifi card combo you present in the network buyers guide be sufficient to pull in what my router is putting out?

2-I am also considering the Acer Predator XB271HU from your monitor guide. It seems like a good mid-high end display that will give me the upgraded 1440p experience without going absolutely nuts on cost. That said, I noticed it uses a "display port" cable which i have never seen before. I noticed above you mention that upgrading the motherboard from the 1500 build nets a display port output. Would i want to get the "gaming 5" motherboard to take advantage of the display port for this monitor or would i be plugging this directly into the video card anyway?

Appreciate your help, this website is really exactly what I hoped to find when i started thinking about taking this project on!

Hello again!

I would absolutely suggest you try a relatively-inexpensive 802.11ac networking card like the Gigabyte GC-WB867 (http://amzn.to/2bLJjbr) before running a cable to a remote location. The 802.11ac protocol can definitely handle speeds around 35-50Mbps, even at a distance. Just keep in mind that you need an 802.11ac router to get the most out of it, although even 35Mbps will have no trouble supporting any multiplayer online game.

As for DisplayPort on the motherboard, you actually have it exactly right: you're going to be plugging into the video card anyway. But there's a reason DisplayPort is still nice to have on the board, and that is for trouble-shooting, or for card swaps. I am constantly in and out of my benchmark systems swapping cards, and sometimes my systems will sit for a while without a video card. That's when I absolutely need DP on the motherboard. But if you aren't too worried about running without a video card, then DP on the board is an unnecessary expense.

By the way, two additional insights for you:

1. The Acer XB271HU (http://amzn.to/2bXZVrl) isn't a mid-high end display, it's a super high-end display! It just so happens to be lower-priced that the huge displays, but its performance is actually the very best among elite monitors.

2. If your gaming preference tends towards WoW-style games, you really may be better off saving the money on the video card by going with the GTX 1070 over the 1080. On the other hand, if you want to push high 1440p frame rates in games like The Witcher 3, Rise of the Tomb Raider, or Deus Ex: Mankind Divided, the extra horsepower will come in handy.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Blackdog990 on September 03, 2016, 09:58:34 AM
Thanks again! Appreciate the guidance.

Not planning on picking WOW back up (I don't think the fiancé would let me get away with that, haha). Was actually eyeing Battlefield 1 as the first game I'd plug in. I'm thinking this setup will let me run that maxed out on 1440p and still get good frame rates. Hopefully, even if I'm going a little overkill up front, the system will hold its own for awhile and give me a good platform from which to upgrade as time goes on.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on September 03, 2016, 12:48:40 PM
Thanks again! Appreciate the guidance.

Not planning on picking WOW back up (I don't think the fiancé would let me get away with that, haha). Was actually eyeing Battlefield 1 as the first game I'd plug in. I'm thinking this setup will let me run that maxed out on 1440p and still get good frame rates. Hopefully, even if I'm going a little overkill up front, the system will hold its own for awhile and give me a good platform from which to upgrade as time goes on.

FYI, I'm testing the BF1 beta on both a 1080 setup and a 1070SLI setup at 1440p Gsync, and both are super smooth maxed out. Hitting 80-90fps on the 1080 and 120-130fps on 1070SLI. A single 1070 would still be good, but would be slightly below the optimal fps for Gsync, which is around 75-80.

I spoke with the DICE (developer of BF) yesterday at PAX, and they're proud of how efficient the latest Frostbyte engine is, despite being more advanced than BF4 or Star Wars Battlefront, which used previous iterations. It really doesn't require huge graphics power to look its best.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on September 13, 2016, 10:12:11 AM
We had a great question come in from a reader that we thought we'd share, since it's a very timely one related to SSD storage:

"I have a question about the $1500 High End Gaming PC build.  I'd like to have more storage space, as I'll be replacing a computer that had a 2TB mechanical hard drive and a 250 GB SSD. I was storing about 850GB of data on the one drive and 200-ish GB on the other.  So I'll need more than the 960 GB shown in your build. Can you recommend a good hard drive upgrade?"

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Here's our response:

So, you have three options if you want more storage space:

(1) Pick up two Toshiba OCZ TR150 960GB drives (http://amzn.to/2cptMdO), which offer tremendous value for the price.

(2) Pick up a mechanical drive for bulk storage of items not needing fast load times (i.e., please don't put apps on it!). A good option is the Toshiba 2TB drive (http://amzn.to/2cV74dr).

(3) If you want the fastest, most streamlined solution, you'd get a 2TB SSD, and the new Crucial MX300 2TB (http://amzn.to/2ccxY1w) is the one to beat in terms of speed and capacity for the price.

Now, you still pay a premium per GB for this much space on a single SSD, but the drive does offer over double the capacity of the OCZ 960GB, along with slightly faster performance, so it's price is pretty well justified.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Blackdog990 on September 21, 2016, 07:39:39 AM
Hi Ari,

Per the above discussion, I ended up following your 1500 build with and upgrade to 16gb ram and a 1080 gpu. I got it all put together without a hitch and have the OS and drivers updated. I also got the predator hb271hu gaming monitor.

While I wait for BF1 to come out, I put over watch on the system as I'm already a pretty avid player on console. With settings on ultra, I'm hitting 80 to 90 FPS on it, and as many hz from the monitor. Based on what I've seen online, I feel like I should be getting more FPS, even at ultra, with this Gpu.

My question is, do I need to optimize anything post setup to get full power out of this system? The note about needing to change the frequency of the ram comes to mind (which I did). Is there anything else I should be tweaking? The gpu software already auto optimizes for the game, so I wouldn't think the changes would be there but I'm new at this and that would be my first thought.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on September 21, 2016, 08:11:54 AM
Hi Ari,

Per the above discussion, I ended up following your 1500 build with and upgrade to 16gb ram and a 1080 gpu. I got it all put together without a hitch and have the OS and drivers updated. I also got the predator hb271hu gaming monitor.

While I wait for BF1 to come out, I put over watch on the system as I'm already a pretty avid player on console. With settings on ultra, I'm hitting 80 to 90 FPS on it, and as many hz from the monitor. Based on what I've seen online, I feel like I should be getting more FPS, even at ultra, with this Gpu.

My question is, do I need to optimize anything post setup to get full power out of this system? The note about needing to change the frequency of the ram comes to mind (which I did). Is there anything else I should be tweaking? The gpu software already auto optimizes for the game, so I wouldn't think the changes would be there but I'm new at this and that would be my first thought.

Congrats on getting your new system up and running! Those are some big upgrades, making this a lot more like the $2,000 Build than the $1,500 Build!

To really get a sense of what's going on with your video card, I recommend you download MSI Afterburner in order to track in the background GPU usage and clockrates, as well as CPU usage. You can also display these during your game if you wish.

But to get a good sense of whether the system is actually running well, you'll need to run 3DMark Fire Strike or Time Spy. Those will give you numbers that can easily be compared to other systems (including TBG's 6700K/GTX1080) benchmarking rig. Provide some results from 3DMark and I'll check them against TBG's results.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Blackdog990 on September 22, 2016, 12:00:07 PM
3d mark time spy came in at 6829 overall, 7195 graphics (at 47 and 41 FPS) and 5302 cpu at 18 fps. Does that feel in the ballpark of where this system should be hitting?
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on September 22, 2016, 12:57:50 PM
3d mark time spy came in at 6829 overall, 7195 graphics (at 47 and 41 FPS) and 5302 cpu at 18 fps. Does that feel in the ballpark of where this system should be hitting?

It's precisely in the ballpark. Here's the TBG Intel Core i7-6700K (http://amzn.to/2cUztSZ) @4.4GHz and EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Superclocked (http://amzn.to/2d0mmMQ):

Overall Score: 6,820
Graphics Score: 7,161
CPU Score: 5,374

If anything, your CPU score is surprisingly high. Your motherboard may have engaged multi-core enhancement to run at 4.2GHz, which is a slight overclock versus the 4GHz standard. And your GPU is working perfectly.

With regard to the issues you were having in Overwatch, it could be that your drivers need updating, or perhaps a specific setting was dragging down the results. Sometimes even a restart will clear up game-specific issues.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Blackdog990 on September 24, 2016, 09:16:31 AM
Thanks for the peace of mind that my system is running about where it should be!

I poked around and it seems my gpu was scaling up the resolution beyond 1440p for some reason. I dialed that back and my FPS are up to 120 or so on ultra at 1440p, which feels closer to where I would expect.

Appreciate the help, love the site!
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on September 24, 2016, 10:04:16 AM
Thanks for the peace of mind that my system is running about where it should be!

I poked around and it seems my gpu was scaling up the resolution beyond 1440p for some reason. I dialed that back and my FPS are up to 120 or so on ultra at 1440p, which feels closer to where I would expect.

Appreciate the help, love the site!

Sounds like you figured it out - resolution scaling is a nice way to improve image quality when you have more GPU power than you need for a given game. Some games play batter at higher framerates (assuming you have a high-refresh rate monitor), while others don't need high framerates, so you can enjoy better graphics quality with them using scaling.
Title: Rookie Looking at the TBG $1,500 & $1,250 PC Build for SIM Racing
Post by: DennisD on September 27, 2016, 06:02:05 PM
Hello, I'm just getting into iRacing (Sim Racing) and building my first PC. I'm hoping I can get some expert advise and opinions on both the $1500 and $1250 builds but I'm open to suggestions (I'm trying to get up to speed on the components). I will be using it primarily for sim racing and general computing. I'm planning on running 3 monitors. I would like a PC that will do a great job with nice graphics and speed for now and in the future.  Could I get by with less?

Thank you for your help!!!
Title: Re: Rookie Looking at the TBG $1,500 & $1,250 PC Build for SIM Racing
Post by: Ari Altman on September 27, 2016, 06:43:57 PM
Hello, I'm just getting into iRacing (Sim Racing) and building my first PC. I'm hoping I can get some expert advise and opinions on both the $1500 and $1250 builds but I'm open to suggestions (I'm trying to get up to speed on the components). I will be using it primarily for sim racing and general computing. I'm planning on running 3 monitors. I would like a PC that will do a great job with nice graphics and speed for now and in the future.  Could I get by with less?

Thank you for your help!!!

Hello DennisD, and welcome to The TBG Forum!

The good news is that racing games do not need as much power as typical 3D games to perform well. For your triple-monitor iRacing setup, however, are you planning on spanning your game across all three screens, as is typical for racing simulators? If so, you'll still need a lot of graphics horsepower, because your resolution will likely be 3 x 1920 x 1080. Sims also need serious CPU power, due to the physics involved in re-creating the racing experience.

I'd therefore go for the $1,500 High-End PC Build (http://techbuyersguru.com/1500-high-end-gaming-pc-build), which uses the GTX 1070 video card, rather than the $1,250 Build, which uses a GTX 1060. The 1070 is about 30% faster, which will help for a triple-monitor setup. On the other hand, if you'll just be racing on one monitor, a 1060 is plenty fast.

There a two areas where you can save some money:
(1) you can save almost $100 on the solid-state drive, assuming you'll only have a few games loaded on it. Just drop down from the 960GB model to the OCZ Trion 150 480GB (http://amzn.to/2dy2Ita). That should still have enough space for around 10 games plus your general-usage apps, but if you have a lot of media (photos, music, etc.), it could get a little tight.

(2) you can save another $20 or so going with the Arctic i32 CPU Cooler (http://amzn.to/2diPfnE), which is the one recommended for the $1,250 Build. It's not going to allow extreme overclocking, but that won't affect your uses at all.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: DennisD on October 01, 2016, 10:15:50 AM
Hi Ari, I can't thank you enough for answering my questions, it was just what I was looking for. I don't have a lot of media right now but I think I'll go with your suggestion of the 960GB drive. I'm also going to go with your suggestion of more memory (Corsair 2x8GB DDR4-3000 White). Do you think there is a need to add more memory than 16GB?  I'm putting my shopping list together so I'm sure I'll have more questions.  Thank you again for your help!
Dennis 
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on October 01, 2016, 10:49:21 AM
Hi Ari, I can't thank you enough for answering my questions, it was just what I was looking for. I don't have a lot of media right now but I think I'll go with your suggestion of the 960GB drive. I'm also going to go with your suggestion of more memory (Corsair 2x8GB DDR4-3000 White). Do you think there is a need to add more memory than 16GB?  I'm putting my shopping list together so I'm sure I'll have more questions.  Thank you again for your help!
Dennis

Glad to help, Dennis!

I'm positive 16GB will be more than enough memory to run any game for years to come. Even 8GB is plenty for just about every game on the market. Unless you have a number of other intensive apps running in the background, like video converters, you can't possibly use more than 16GB while gaming, and in any event, those types of apps would use a lot of CPU power as well, so the CPU would become the bigger bottleneck than the memory.

In other words, stick with 16GB unless you just want bragging rights!
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: DennisD on October 02, 2016, 05:21:47 PM
Thanks Ari, One more question.  I had a friend tell me I should consider an M.2 Hard Drive because they are 3X faster than the fastest SATA SSD.  I read your round-up of hard drives but since I'm not well versed in the technical side, I wanted to ask you directly.  Should I consider an M.2 drive? Is the cost worth the difference? If so, do you have any suggestions?   
Thank you!!
Dennis
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on October 02, 2016, 05:31:19 PM
Thanks Ari, One more question.  I had a friend tell me I should consider an M.2 Hard Drive because they are 3X faster than the fastest SATA SSD.  I read your round-up of hard drives but since I'm not well versed in the technical side, I wanted to ask you directly.  Should I consider an M.2 drive? Is the cost worth the difference? If so, do you have any suggestions?   
Thank you!!
Dennis

Dennis,

It's actually not the fact that drives use the M.2 form factor that makes them faster, it's when they use the PCIe interface, which only a few M.2 drives do. The fastest is the Samsung 950 Pro (http://amzn.to/2dl8BM5), which I published a review  (http://techbuyersguru.com/samsung-950-pro-512gb-review)for last month. You should take a look at that review to get a better understanding of when PCIe drives are faster... and when they are not.

If you're shopping in the $1,500 price range for a complete PC, I would not recommend a PCIe drive, as they cost twice as much per GB as SATA-based drives. I consider them an ultra-premium option, and while I run several of them in TBG builds, I don't think they make sense in gaming-specific PCs.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: DennisD on October 03, 2016, 05:58:52 AM
Hi Ari,  Thank you for keeping me on track.  I read the article and it makes more sense now.  Hopefully no more questions.  Thanks again for the expert knowledge.
Dennis
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: DennisD on October 16, 2016, 06:23:11 AM
Hi Ari,  I just completed building my first PC.  I used all the components you suggested for the October $1500 build.  I'm having trouble getting it to boot up, I'm hoping it's something simple that I overlooked.  When it powers up, the fans, LED lights for the fans and motherboard come on but these cycle off and back on (not sure if this is normal).  Nothing on the monitor is displayed.  Do you have any suggestions of where I might start?  I've gone back over it a  number of times and watched YouTube videos.  I can send pics of anything that might help.  Thank you for your help!!     
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on October 16, 2016, 06:57:04 AM
Hi Ari,  I just completed building my first PC.  I used all the components you suggested for the October $1500 build.  I'm having trouble getting it to boot up, I'm hoping it's something simple that I overlooked.  When it powers up, the fans, LED lights for the fans and motherboard come on but these cycle off and back on (not sure if this is normal).  Nothing on the monitor is displayed.  Do you have any suggestions of where I might start?  I've gone back over it a  number of times and watched YouTube videos.  I can send pics of anything that might help.  Thank you for your help!!   

DennisD,

Believe it or not, I have builders coming to me with these exact same issues all the time. First step: don't panic! 99% of the time this is just a setup issue and can be fixed easily.

To conduct troubleshooting, please follow these steps:
1) remove the video card from the system and plug monitor cable into back of motherboard
2) remove all RAM and then reinsert just one stick, using the second slot away from the CPU.
3) pull the 24-pin and 8-pin power cables from the motherboard and then firmly reinsert them.

It's important to keep in mind that at initial boot up, only four components matter: the CPU, motherboard, RAM, and power supply. We want to make sure they are all set up correctly before considering whether any may be defective (which Is extremely rare).
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: DennisD on October 16, 2016, 07:50:14 AM
Ari, I went through your steps.  The Gigabyte logo came up, Fans and LED lights continue to run.  This message is on screen. Reboot and Select Proper Boot Device or Insert Boot Media in Selected Boot Device and Press a Key. I forgot to tell you that I didn't receive the Optical Drive yet. Thank you!!!
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on October 16, 2016, 08:08:27 AM
Ari, I went through your steps.  The Gigabyte logo came up, Fans and LED lights continue to run.  This message is on screen. Reboot and Select Proper Boot Device or Insert Boot Media in Selected Boot Device and Press a Key. I forgot to tell you that I didn't receive the Optical Drive yet. Thank you!!!

Sounds like everything is working perfectly now. It was either a loose cable or dislodged RAM stick. Leaving the video card and RAM stick out for now is fine. You can install them after Windows is up and running.

You'll be able to proceed when you have the optical drive, which will function as the boot device while installing Windows.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: DennisD on October 16, 2016, 08:37:10 AM
Fantastic! Our Best Buy here has the LG Drive you suggested so I'm going to pick one up now. I have Windows 10 on a Flash Drive. Should I install it at this point?  According to some of the videos I watched, they talk about a BIOS screen being displayed on start-up.  Should I see this?  Also, forgive my ignorance but should I install the drivers that came with the Gigabyte Motherboard and EVGA Graphics Card once I get the optical drive?  Sorry for all the questions. Thanks Ari!! 
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on October 16, 2016, 09:41:23 AM
Fantastic! Our Best Buy here has the LG Drive you suggested so I'm going to pick one up now. I have Windows 10 on a Flash Drive. Should I install it at this point?  According to some of the videos I watched, they talk about a BIOS screen being displayed on start-up.  Should I see this?  Also, forgive my ignorance but should I install the drivers that came with the Gigabyte Motherboard and EVGA Graphics Card once I get the optical drive?  Sorry for all the questions. Thanks Ari!!

Actually, if you have the flash drive version of Windows, you don't need an optical drive at all, so no need to run out to Best Buy now. You can add that later if you'd like.

To get Windows to load, insert the Windows flash drive into one of the rear- mounted blue USB ports while the system is off and then power on. The system should automatically detect it and begin the install process. If it doesn't, post back here and I'll explain how to enter the UEFI BIOS to select the flash drive as a boot device.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: DennisD on October 16, 2016, 12:16:02 PM
Hi Ari, Windows 10 installed with no problems, thank you!  Installed the other memory stick and video card.  No display but figured out the monitor cable needs to be connected to the video card. The monitor I have has the D-Sub connector and the card has a DVI-D. In the motherboard manual it says that the DVI-D port doesn't support D-Sub by adapter.  Is that the case? 

Do I need to install the drivers?

I have the SATA cable in the lower SATA Express on the board.  Is that correct?
Thank you Ari!!! 
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on October 16, 2016, 12:43:59 PM
Hi Ari, Windows 10 installed with no problems, thank you!  Installed the other memory stick and video card.  No display but figured out the monitor cable needs to be connected to the video card. The monitor I have has the D-Sub connector and the card has a DVI-D. In the motherboard manual it says that the DVI-D port doesn't support D-Sub by adapter.  Is that the case? 

Do I need to install the drivers?

I have the SATA cable in the lower SATA Express on the board.  Is that correct?
Thank you Ari!!!

Great to hear you got it up and running!

Unfortunately, no current-gen video card supports analog D-Sub (VGA) natively nor via adapter. This may be the reason things didn't appear to work when you first tried booting with your video card. You will actually need to buy a different monitor to use your GTX 1070. The TBG Monitor Buyer's Guide (http://The Monitor Buyer's Guide) has some great picks starting at $100, all with HDMI or another digital interface.

You should definitely install the drivers that came with the motherboard. They came on DVD, but since you don't have a DVD drive yet, you can also download them from the Gigabyte website. That way you'll get the most up to date versions. While not all are absolutely essential, it's best to get them all so you don't miss an important one.

And yes, using one of the ports within the SATA Express connector is perfect. These are always wired to be the fastest possible connection.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: DennisD on October 16, 2016, 04:24:54 PM
Hi Ari,  First of all, I want to thank you for your time today, you really helped me out.  It looks like I need to speed up my monitor shopping so I can use my new toy. I'll check your site. Once I get it up and running, I hope I won't have this many questions but I do have one more question about the SATA connection.  The motherboard has a block that is marked SATA Express and another that is SATA3 0/1/2/3/4/5. Do I want to be in Express? 

Thank you again Ari!! 
Dennis
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on October 16, 2016, 05:12:38 PM
Hi Ari,  First of all, I want to thank you for your time today, you really helped me out.  It looks like I need to speed up my monitor shopping so I can use my new toy. I'll check your site. Once I get it up and running, I hope I won't have this many questions but I do have one more question about the SATA connection.  The motherboard has a block that is marked SATA Express and another that is SATA3 0/1/2/3/4/5. Do I want to be in Express? 

Thank you again Ari!! 
Dennis

You can definitely stick with SATA Express. It works just like SATA with a standard SATA drive attached.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Abowman on December 06, 2016, 06:27:47 AM
Hello all! I'm a first time computer builder looking at doing the $1500 with a couple changes to save money (GTX 1060 and 750GB SSD) or just sticking with the $1000 build. So I really have 3 questions about the this build:

1. I first decided to go with the $1000 build but this build ($1500) seems like it has much longevity. The i7 seems like it will be a great gaming CPU for many years and seeing as how many of the $1500 build's parts are still the same as the $1750, it would be easy upgrading the system. So is it really worth it for it for me to spend the extra money or is the $1000 build going to be fine for many years?

2. If you want wireless connectivity for the $1500 build, you need to buy an adapter. However, would actually be better to just upgrade the motherboard to the Z170x-Gaming 5 and gaining the built in wireless capability? It's only like $25 - $30 more expensive than the Gaming 3 and most the adapters I'm looking at are at least $40-$60.

3. Monitors. I'm looking at going with the Acer XB241H because it's the cheapest monitor with G-Sync (but it is a great monitor). Is it really worth it to spend the $400+ to get it if I'm not looking for super high level gaming?

Thanks again for this website! It's been invaluable to me over the past several months! And if these are dumb questions, sorry about that; First time builder anxiety!
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on December 06, 2016, 08:40:05 AM
Hello all! I'm a first time computer builder looking at doing the $1500 with a couple changes to save money (GTX 1060 and 750GB SSD) or just sticking with the $1000 build. So I really have 3 questions about the this build:

1. I first decided to go with the $1000 build but this build ($1500) seems like it has much longevity. The i7 seems like it will be a great gaming CPU for many years and seeing as how many of the $1500 build's parts are still the same as the $1750, it would be easy upgrading the system. So is it really worth it for it for me to spend the extra money or is the $1000 build going to be fine for many years?

2. If you want wireless connectivity for the $1500 build, you need to buy an adapter. However, would actually be better to just upgrade the motherboard to the Z170x-Gaming 5 and gaining the built in wireless capability? It's only like $25 - $30 more expensive than the Gaming 3 and most the adapters I'm looking at are at least $40-$60.

3. Monitors. I'm looking at going with the Acer XB241H because it's the cheapest monitor with G-Sync (but it is a great monitor). Is it really worth it to spend the $400+ to get it if I'm not looking for super high level gaming?

Thanks again for this website! It's been invaluable to me over the past several months! And if these are dumb questions, sorry about that; First time builder anxiety!

Welcome to the TBG Forum, Abowman!

First of all, no dumb questions there - no reason to worry about that! Let me see if I can help you decide on the best path forward. Here are some responses to your questions:

(1) In terms of longevity, the Core i7-6700K (http://amzn.to/2gZ19FS) is the undisputed king. To make it all the more obvious, the Core i7-7700K, which is launching in a few months, will perform exactly the same as the 6700K at the same clockrates. It will just come from the factory with an overclock. There won't be anything better than the 6700K for at least two years, believe it or not. As a long-term solution, then, the 6700K is really the only way to go today.

(2) You actually don't get wireless on the Gigabyte GA-Z170X-Gaming 5 (http://amzn.to/2gzpPUx). In fact, to get wireless built-in to a motherboard, you typically have to spend over $250. This is something a lot of TBG readers are surprised about, and it continues to amaze me that motherboard manufacturers haven't gotten the message that wireless should be included at lower pricepoints. For your purpose, then, you should stick with the Gigabyte Gaming 3 (http://amzn.to/2g5Wwx1), and add the excellent TP-Link Archer T6E 802.11ac adapter (http://amzn.to/2h28Zip).

(3) I think it's a great move to invest in a G-Sync monitor, as it will let you get the absolute best out of the GTX 1060. Even if the 1060 isn't as fast as the 1070, you'll actually have a superior gaming experience using the 1060/G-Sync combo versus, for example, the 1070 and a non-G-Sync monitor for the same price. Note that Dell has recently introduced a  tough competitor to the Asus XB241H (http://amzn.to/2gNgWcW) called the S2417DG (http://amzn.to/2gZ73Xo), and it will likely get the nod in the next installment of TBG's Monitor Buyer's Guide. Dell has unbeaten customer service and warranty support when it comes to monitors. TBG has a wide variety of monitors on which it tests (six in all), but the only one I'll actually game on is the G-Sync model!
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Abowman on December 06, 2016, 09:24:18 AM
Thanks for the quick answer! I think your comments decided for me, modified $1500 build it is!

On the motherboard question, I realize now i was looking at the Z170N which does have wireless capability built-in but is a mini-ITX board so thanks for setting me straight  ;D

Looking at the Dell S2417DG, the price at the moment isn't much more than the Acer at the moment so if it's going to beat out the Acer, I think I'll be switching to it.

Thanks again!
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on December 06, 2016, 10:01:02 AM
Thanks for the quick answer! I think your comments decided for me, modified $1500 build it is!

On the motherboard question, I realize now i was looking at the Z170N which does have wireless capability built-in but is a mini-ITX board so thanks for setting me straight  ;D

Looking at the Dell S2417DG, the price at the moment isn't much more than the Acer at the moment so if it's going to beat out the Acer, I think I'll be switching to it.

Thanks again!

Ah, yes, wireless capabilities are often included with ITX motherboards like the Gigabyte GA-Z170N-Gaming 5 (http://amzn.to/2gZm4IJ) because they have no available expansion slots for add-in cards. But that just goes to show it wouldn't be that hard to add built-in wireless to larger boards!

P.S. There's a free prize drawing you can enter right now on the forum - check it out here (http://techbuyersguru.com/forum/index.php?topic=308.0)!
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Abowman on December 22, 2016, 08:17:22 AM
Finally finished the build at 3:30 AM and decided to power up! And the fans spun up, the motherboard lighting came on, and . . . nothing came up on my monitor. Switched to HDMI from the motherboard and still nothing unfortunately. I've checked cables and everything appears to be full plugged in and RAM is snug in place. At this point, I'm thinking I should start moving RAM to different slots (currently in 2 and 4). After this, what other suggestions do you have?
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on December 22, 2016, 09:02:56 AM
Finally finished the build at 3:30 AM and decided to power up! And the fans spun up, the motherboard lighting came on, and . . . nothing came up on my monitor. Switched to HDMI from the motherboard and still nothing unfortunately. I've checked cables and everything appears to be full plugged in and RAM is snug in place. At this point, I'm thinking I should start moving RAM to different slots (currently in 2 and 4). After this, what other suggestions do you have?

First suggestion: don't finish your build at 3:30am!!!

Next suggestion: don't panic!

OK, seriously though, I've had dozens and dozens of readers post a message just like this on the forum, and it's always an easy fix, once the minor mishap is identified. You said you switched to HDMI on the motherboard, and that's a bit concerning to me. Do you have the video card installed? Did you try using the video card first? The motherboard will never work when a video card is installed, so that's not a valid troubleshooting step. Instead, I'd remove the video card and then try the motherboard's HDMI output. That will determine if your system can boot.

If that doesn't work, we'll try some other steps.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Abowman on December 22, 2016, 09:15:03 AM
It's the holidays so I wasn't too concerned about the timing  :P

But I should clarify. I used the displayport on the video card first last night when I first started up and had nothing show on the monitor. This morning I took out the video card and used the HDMI from the motherboard. Powered up the same as the first time but again, nothing on the monitor.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on December 22, 2016, 09:37:34 AM
It's the holidays so I wasn't too concerned about the timing  :P

But I should clarify. I used the displayport on the video card first last night when I first started up and had nothing show on the monitor. This morning I took out the video card and used the HDMI from the motherboard. Powered up the same as the first time but again, nothing on the monitor.

OK, you did the right thing then. Let's start troubleshooting, leaving the video card out for now, as it only complicates things when trying to get the system to POST. Fans and lights turning on means you have power, but something's keeping the system from posting. Remove both RAM sticks and then insert just one into the second slot away from the CPU, making sure it's fully snapped in. Then double-check the 24-pin power cable on the side of the motherboard and the 8-pin power cable at the top of the motherboard. Both must be fully seated for the system to boot, so unplug fully and then re-insert them.

When troubleshooting a failure to POST despite power (that means you get nothing on the monitor but fans spin), there are only three components that matter: the CPU, motherboard, and RAM. The power supply is clearly functioning, the data drives aren't even being accessed yet and have no impact, and the video card is out of the system (as it should be when troubleshooting).
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Abowman on December 22, 2016, 09:48:53 AM
I had the RAM in slots 1 & 2, switched to 3 & 4 and it worked! Booted up and I'm in the bios now!

Thanks for all your help! I'll probably be back with more questions but I think I'm good for now!

Edit: quick question. The motherboard manual says for 2 sticks of RAM use either slots DDR4_2 and DDR4_1 or DDR4_4 and DDR4_3. The motherboard itself has slots on it labeled (from closest to CPU to farthest) 4, 2, 3, 1. So I have slots 4 and 3 filled according to this. But in the bios it shows I have RAM in slots 1 & 3 (basically closest to CPU and third closest). So am I using both channels? Because according to the manual, 1 and 3 are channel B but both memory channels show timings in the bios as well. Confusing!
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on December 22, 2016, 10:43:55 AM
I had the RAM in slots 1 & 2, switched to 3 & 4 and it worked! Booted up and I'm in the bios now!

Thanks for all your help! I'll probably be back with more questions but I think I'm good for now!

Edit: quick question. The motherboard manual says for 2 sticks of RAM use either slots DDR4_2 and DDR4_1 or DDR4_4 and DDR4_3. The motherboard itself has slots on it labeled (from closest to CPU to farthest) 4, 2, 3, 1. So I have slots 4 and 3 filled according to this. But in the bios it shows I have RAM in slots 1 & 3 (basically closest to CPU and third closest). So am I using both channels? Because according to the manual, 1 and 3 are channel B but both memory channels show timings in the bios as well. Confusing!

Great news! Now, I do have to wonder whether the system would boot if you moved those RAM sticks over to the other two slots. If they don't work no matter how firmly you insert them, you may have a bad slot (rare, but possible). Whether it's worth chasing down that issue is up to you.

And by the way, RAM slot numbering is definitely confusing, so let's look at this basic diagram:

CPU _ D4 _ D2 _ D3 _ D1

You'll get dual-channel operations by using D4+D3, D2+D1, or all four slots. You will not get it combining only adjacent slots. While D2+D1 is always the preferred combo for stability, sometimes boards just have a preference for D4+D3, which may be the case with yours.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Abowman on December 26, 2016, 10:14:52 PM
Thanks again for all your help!

I have another question. I saw there's a new bios version for my motherboard that came out a month and a half ago. Should I update to it or not? This is only really a question because I've been having some full system freezes (might be game related) and got a blue screen of death tonight which just pointed to the NT kernel and system as the culprit. Looking around online, it looked like updating drivers and bios was the main suggestion for fixing.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on December 27, 2016, 07:24:00 AM
If you're having system freezes, it's time to do more trouble shooting.  First, list out all your components, even if they are exactly what was in the guide.  It's helpful to have the information here in the thread.

Second, if you're using a Gigabyte GA-Z170X-Gaming 3 (http://amzn.to/2izTC49) board, don't update the UEFI firmware at this point.  Gigabyte has issued a universal update referred to as F20 for all its boards, which simply adds support for unreleased Intel Kaby Lake processors. You don't need this update.

Third, please keep a tally on what you're doing when the system crashes.  Playing a game,  surfing the Web,  leaving PC idle, or when the PC is sleeping. Each could point to a different problem.

Fourth, remember that when troubleshooting, everything should be at stock settings. That means in the UEFI, you should select the option to restore optimized defaults, and don't run any Gigabyte software that offers overclocking or tweaking options (called App Center).

Ok, report back with more info and we'll figure out what's going on!
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Abowman on December 29, 2016, 07:23:33 AM
1. Specs/Hardware:

Gigabyte Z170X Gaming 3 LGA 1151 DDR4 USB 3.1 ATX Motherboard (Rev. 1.1)

Zotac GTX 1060 6G

Intel Core i7 6700K 4.00 GHz

Corsair Vengeance 16GB Kit (2x8GB) 3000MHz DDR4

Crucial MX300 750GB SSD

EVGA SuperNOVA 650 G2

Macho Rev. B - CPU Cooler
 
Windows 10 Home, 64 bit
 
2. Yeah after looking into the UEFI update, it looked like it wasn't worth it.

3. This the easy part unfortunately. So far, all but 2 system freezes have been in 1 particular game. I had 1 system freeze after shutting down a game and restarting a Steam game download and my only blue screen while after playing Age of Empires 2 HD for roughly 20 minutes.

All other freezes are while playing World of Warships. All occur roughly 20 minutes into the game and I have to hard restart the computer. The major problem is that windows event log isn't showing any errors except for the standard Event ID 41 (system rebooted without cleanly shutting down), 1101 (audit events have been dropped by transport), and 6008 (the previous shutdown was unexpected).

4. Reset everything to default settings in the UEFI.

So far, I've re-installed motherboard drivers after realizing I installed Rev 1.0 drivers, run Windows memory test (found no issues), and watched performance and temperatures while in-game (temp isn't the issue and neither is heavy RAM or CPU use). However, I did do all that before resetting to defaults in the UEFI. So I'll reset and see how things work after doing that.

The only other steps I've been looking to take software side, is removing and reinstalling latest graphics driver, downgrading to past video drivers, and running memtest.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on December 29, 2016, 08:18:36 AM
OK, Abowman, all those parts should definitely work fine together, and once we figure out the cause of the crashes, you can go ahead and enable the XMP profile on your DDR4-3000 memory. The motherboard can definitely support its overclocked speed.

It sounds like all your crashes were game related, either in Steam, Age of Empires, or World of Warships. That suggests it may be a driver issue affecting the video card. None of these tasks is particularly strenuous, so this is not a case of overheating your components and causing a failure. No need to worry about that. In fact, in the games you're playing, your GTX 1060 may automatically downclock to save power, as its full strength is not required.

Good catch on determining you have the Rev. 1.1 of your Gigabyte motherboard. You'll definitely want to confirm which UEFI Firmware you're running. From looking at the Gigabyte site, it's clear that after the F6 firmware, Gigabyte issued a brand-new revision to the board (1.1), and shipped it with the F7 firmware. Make sure that's what you have (CPU-Z (http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html) is a good utility for determining that). Then install all motherboard drivers (other than the SATA RAID-specific drivers) from this Gigabyte download page (http://www.gigabyte.us/products/product-page.aspx?pid=5833#driver).

Then install the latest Nvidia drivers - I don't think rolling back drivers is usually a good idea, although I see it mentioned all the time in forums. It's very rare that a new driver will actually break game compatibility.

If you continue to have issues, it may be worth uninstall and reinstalling your games, and potentially deleting your Steam folder entirely and starting over with Steam from scratch.

One last tip: system instability like this can sometimes be caused by memory issues, and it's not always something Memtest can detect. You might want to do all this testing with just one RAM stick installed, using the second slot over from the CPU socket.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Abowman on December 29, 2016, 09:56:53 AM
So re-installed the graphics driver and set RAM frequency to default 2133 MHz and the game has run fine for and an hour and a half now. I'm going to set RAM frequency back to 3000 MHz later and see what happens. Hopefully this was just a case of needing to reinstall graphics drivers which makes me feel stupid for not doing it earlier :P
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ahabsmaster on January 11, 2017, 04:05:46 AM
Ahoy, All!

I am currently travel in South America, but when I return home, Feb 22, I will be building based of this build! As I have been following it and comparing I came up with a recent question and I cannot see if I am missing something.

When it comes to the Patriot 2x8GB Viper Elite DDR4-3000 Red I noticed on Amazon that if you choose the color option as Blue the price drops about $7.00. Am I seeing this right and if so I thought you may want to change this small detail in the build to make it that much cheaper.

Cheers!
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on January 11, 2017, 06:40:17 AM
Welcome to the forum, Ahabsmaster! You're actually completely right. The Patriot DDR4-3000 Blue (http://amzn.to/2j68iaG) model is a better deal right now, in fact red is actually sold out. I'll update the guide shortly. Just as an FYI, red is typically the favored pick due to better matching the color of other components, but the two RAM models are identical otherwise so either will work perfectly.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ahabsmaster on January 11, 2017, 09:25:00 AM
I am a blue over red guy myself, but I wouldn't have noticed otherwise! I am glad to be following these builds along and cannot wait to see my best options for a month from now when I place my order!
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: kopcap999 on May 05, 2017, 11:56:55 AM
  Good afternoon. Thank you guys for such great place to get good info about DIY PC building. Going to build my first tower my self and wanted to ask your opinion on next build (I used your $1500 build as base) - https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2bCwnn
  I went with NZXT Phantom 410, my questions are:
1) I am planing to use GTX 1070 SLI (thanks to your comparison for 4K gaming page), will I be able to put a second GPU on that mover board and will it fit in Phantom? Also will I need any extra fans to keep it cool? Whats your advise about power block - 550W wont be enough to power such train.
2) I didn't include optical drive to that build, in you opinion can i put internal blue ray drive, any recommendations if so?

Thank you so much in advance.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on May 05, 2017, 12:16:00 PM
  Good afternoon. Thank you guys for such great place to get good info about DIY PC building. Going to build my first tower my self and wanted to ask your opinion on next build (I used your $1500 build as base) - https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2bCwnn
  I went with NZXT Phantom 410, my questions are:
1) I am planing to use GTX 1070 SLI (thanks to your comparison for 4K gaming page), will I be able to put a second GPU on that mover board and will it fit in Phantom? Also will I need any extra fans to keep it cool? Whats your advise about power block - 550W wont be enough to power such train.
2) I didn't include optical drive to that build, in you opinion can i put internal blue ray drive, any recommendations if so?

Thank you so much in advance.

Welcome to the TBG Forum, kopcap999!

A few thoughts about your proposed build:

(1) As shown in TBG's review of the 1080 Ti (http://techbuyersguru.com/evga-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-11gb-founders-edition-review), it no longer makes sense to use 1070 SLI unless you plan on buying one 1070 now and upgrading to two much later on. That's because it ends up being more expensive with less consistent 4K performance than buying a single 1080 Ti today.

(2) The Phantom 410 is an old case and no longer recommended on TBG. If you want a case with similar looks that has good cooling, unlike the 410, then go for the SilverStone PM01 (http://amzn.to/2q7XhKj). If you want a case that can hold a Blu-Ray drive, then go for the Phanteks Enthoo Pro M (http://amzn.to/2qJyzx3). Any Blu-Ray drive will work in that case, including the LG 14x BD SATA Drive (http://amzn.to/2q8iAM0).

(3) To run either a single 1080 Ti or dual 1070 cards, you should use the EVGA Supernova G3 650W (http://amzn.to/2qMjycT). A 550W power supply will be working too hard and will run hot.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: kopcap999 on May 05, 2017, 01:22:21 PM
  Thank you for prompt respond. I wish I can get 1080 but its $350 more and my budget is $1500 or so... Plan was to add 2nd 1070 later on, hopefully when nice 4K monitors with high refresh rates will be available. Do you think if I go with SilverStone case I don't need any extra fans, since it has 4 already or do i still need one for CPU (like Thermalright - Macho Rev.B 73.6 CFM CPU Cooler)? Probably will add external blue ray later also... Thanks again, best wishes!
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on May 05, 2017, 01:28:52 PM
  Thank you for prompt respond. I wish I can get 1080 but its $350 more and my budget is $1500 or so... Plan was to add 2nd 1070 later on, hopefully when nice 4K monitors with high refresh rates will be available. Do you think if I go with SilverStone case I don't need any extra fans, since it has 4 already or do i still need one for CPU (like Thermalright - Macho Rev.B 73.6 CFM CPU Cooler)? Probably will add external blue ray later also... Thanks again, best wishes!

In your situation, GTX 1070 SLI does indeed make sense. Go with the $1,500 Build, but upgrade the case to the SilverStone PM01 (http://amzn.to/2q7XhKj) and the 650W power supply (http://amzn.to/2qMjycT) as suggested above, and you'll be fine. You don't need to add any fans at all. The second GTX 1070 SLI will work without any additional upgrades when you are ready to purchase it.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: zeusnj on June 14, 2017, 12:33:59 PM
So, I just built this PC after taking several years off from building my own PC's... I followed the exact list of components as listed in the guide.  My, things have changed since 15 yrs ago!  This PC build is great and it's wicked fast, but I'm really confused by something.  I installed Windows 10 with the DVD, but after installing everything and getting it all ready, I notice that my PC always boots to the MSI Click BIOS first and only once I exit out of the Click BIOS will it then go into Windows 10.  Is this normal???  I'm used to older PC's that go through the BIOS POST process and then boot straight to Windows, so this is throwing me for a loop.  In the Click BIOS, if I look at the BOOT PRIORITY list, I see all the drives listed as UEFI drives and then after that, I see the drives listed without the UEFI tag.  Anyway, I hope the way I'm explaining this make sense to you all but hopefully someone can give me some advice on this.  Shouldn't this PC just boot straight to Windows 10 instead of having to go through the BIOS screen first every single time I reboot???
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on June 14, 2017, 12:53:18 PM
So, I just built this PC after taking several years off from building my own PC's... I followed the exact list of components as listed in the guide.  My, things have changed since 15 yrs ago!  This PC build is great and it's wicked fast, but I'm really confused by something.  I installed Windows 10 with the DVD, but after installing everything and getting it all ready, I notice that my PC always boots to the MSI Click BIOS first and only once I exit out of the Click BIOS will it then go into Windows 10.  Is this normal???  I'm used to older PC's that go through the BIOS POST process and then boot straight to Windows, so this is throwing me for a loop.  In the Click BIOS, if I look at the BOOT PRIORITY list, I see all the drives listed as UEFI drives and then after that, I see the drives listed without the UEFI tag.  Anyway, I hope the way I'm explaining this make sense to you all but hopefully someone can give me some advice on this.  Shouldn't this PC just boot straight to Windows 10 instead of having to go through the BIOS screen first every single time I reboot???

Welcome to the TBG Forum, zeusnj!

Indeed, your PC should boot straight into Windows, but a minor glitch in the boot routine will send it into the UEFI. I've seen this on several of TBG's test systems, and in fact I think I've seen it using the very board you have.

Quick question: have you enabled any overclocking or other features, specifically the XMP profile? If so, return the UEFI to defaults (there's an option for that in the menus), and see if that takes care of it. If so, then you can adjust things again, noting if any send the boot routine directly into the UEFI.

By the way, as long as you're here, consider signing up for the prize drawing (http://techbuyersguru.com/forum/index.php?topic=401.msg4271#msg4271) going on right now!
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: zeusnj on June 14, 2017, 01:29:31 PM
Hi Ari,

I have not enable any of the OC elements.  I wanted to run everything pretty much "vanilla" for a bit until I make sure everything is working and then will play with OC'ing at a later time.  I've only used default settings in UEFI.  I'm really not sure what's causing the issue.  I'm not getting any errors and everything seems to be working fine.  The only issue I'm having is that it's going into UEFI on bootup and then I have to close out the UEFI which will then send me to the Windows 10 startup.

I looked at the boot priority and tried to place the SSD drive that is show without the UEFI tag, first.  Once I boot with that option it says that no boot drive is present.  If I change it back to the SSD drive tagged as a UEFI drive, it will then once again go to UEFI first... and then again, I have to exit out of UEFI and it will then go to Windows.  It's driving me nuts, because I can't figure out what's causing it.

I'll try setting the UEFI to defaults like you mentioned and see if that does anything.

Thanks!
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: zeusnj on June 14, 2017, 01:57:28 PM
OK, so I tried resetting the UEFI to "Optimized Defaults" and still have the same issue, darn!!!  Here's some screenshots from the UEFI... Not sure if it helps...

(http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd502/njdivertony/MSI_SnapShot_zpsqtvpdkmj.png)
(http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd502/njdivertony/MSI_SnapShot_02_zpstcdtbsqb.png)
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Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on June 14, 2017, 02:16:47 PM
Thanks for posting the screenshots. You are indeed running at default settings, so that's not the issue. It appears that the MSI board isn't quite recognizing the Crucial MX300 M.2 drive you're using. You definitely need to keep in on the "UEFI version" of the boot drive, as that's created by Windows to assist in proper startup.

What I'd suggest as a first step is to unplug both SATA devices from the motherboard (the hard drive and DVD drive), and see if that helps. I'm thinking there may be a conflict between one of those ports and the M.2 slot (there are only a fixed number of SATA lanes on any motherboard, and the M.2 slots most "borrow" one to use a SATA-based drive in the slot.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: zeusnj on June 14, 2017, 02:37:33 PM
Thank you so much for trying to help me figure this out...  So, I disconnected the SATA cable from the HDD and DVD drive and it again just boots to the UEFI first.  I took some screenshots which I will post below... but here's the crazy part.  I left the USB Flash drive on the USB port and after I connected the SATA cables back up and rebooted, the PC now boots straight to windows 10!  If I remove the USB Flash drive from the port, it again goes back to booting into the UEFI first.  I tried rebooting a few times to confirm it... so with USB flash drive plugged in, the PC will boot straight to Windows... if I remove it, it goes to UEFI first!  STRANGE!!!

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Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on June 14, 2017, 02:39:27 PM
What's on that USB drive, zeusnj? Might you have had that drive inserted when you installed Windows?

My concern is that a boot "key" was placed by Windows on that USB drive, rather than your M.2 drive, so it's looking for it in the boot sequence.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: zeusnj on June 14, 2017, 03:05:24 PM
I didn't even use that or any other USB drive when I installed windows... I only plugged it in earlier today to store the UEFI snapshots to it.  It was the first time I plugged any USB drives into the PC.  Very strange...  There's nothing on the USB flash drive, by the way... just some Word docs and etc...   

**EDIT**  I also tried disabling the USB Boot Key from the boot priority list, but that didn't take care of the issue. Still have the same thing happening.  Ugh!
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: zeusnj on June 14, 2017, 03:46:35 PM
OK, so I think I have fixed the problem!  I decided to flash the BIOS to the latest version and see if that would take care of it... and so far it looks like it did!  I shut down and restarted several times and it's booting straight to Windows now, the way that it should!  Thank you for trying to help me out, I really appreciate it.  I'm loving this PC... it is fast as heck!
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on June 14, 2017, 05:11:57 PM
Good thinking, although I honestly don't know why that fixed it. Maybe there was a flaw in the older version that only showed up under certain circumstances. I tested this board and didn't see this issue.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: zeusnj on June 14, 2017, 05:33:25 PM
I agree that it was a very strange issue...  The BIOS  was Ver.120 with build date: 11/16/2016.  I updated to Ver.160 which is the latest version.  This is the first PC I've built in almost 15 yrs... I was a PC tech like 25 yrs ago and used to build PC's all the time, so some of this new stuff is so cool... Much easier to work on and configure than the old days when we used to set everything manually on the board with jumpers and etc, LOL!
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on June 14, 2017, 06:35:16 PM
It sounds like the difficult experiences you had in the "bad old days" prepared you well for troubleshooting this issue without losing your cool!
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on June 14, 2017, 10:38:03 PM
I agree that it was a very strange issue...  The BIOS  was Ver.120 with build date: 11/16/2016.  I updated to Ver.160 which is the latest version.  This is the first PC I've built in almost 15 yrs... I was a PC tech like 25 yrs ago and used to build PC's all the time, so some of this new stuff is so cool... Much easier to work on and configure than the old days when we used to set everything manually on the board with jumpers and etc, LOL!

I should note that this was a very old version of the firmware, as in before the motherboard was released in January 2017. Where did you buy it? I would think current stock should be updated by now.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: zeusnj on June 14, 2017, 10:48:41 PM
Thanks for the information and I ordered it from Amazon
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on June 15, 2017, 06:47:49 AM
I'm going to add a note in the guide suggesting users update the firmware. Thank you for all the information you provided.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: zeusnj on June 15, 2017, 07:37:04 AM
If there is any other information I can provide that would be helpful, please let me know.  Thank you again, for your prompt responses and for your assistance!
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on June 15, 2017, 08:01:20 AM
If there is any other information I can provide that would be helpful, please let me know.  Thank you again, for your prompt responses and for your assistance!

Anyone else looking to update the firmware on their MSI Z270 SLI Plus boards can find the updates by following this MSI Website link (https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/Z270-SLI-PLUS.html#down-bios). I've added this note to the guide as well.

Enjoy your system, zeusnj!
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: DavinPro on June 29, 2017, 03:55:12 PM
I'm totally new to building my own pc, and so have some (ok, lots of) questions before i start buying parts.

I'm planning on following the $1500 high-end gaming pc build, and the only change I made to the list was swapping out the case fan for 3 fans of a different brand. I did my best to make sure everything i picked out (monitor and such) are compatible, but would like someone with more experience in these areas to double check if they don't mind. Also, instead of using just Amazon, i sourced everything on pcpartspicker to reduce the price , only i was unable to get pricing on some items (all of which i have the prices of on Amazon, just not on my part list).

Link to my list : https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ycmKTH

I should mention, the main reason i am building this setup is to run the HTC Vive, although i would also lightly play pc games on it. I know this pc has the power to run the Vive, but are the Vive and this pc compatible? ( I don't know how to word this, but by compatible I'm asking does the pc have all the outputs/ports you need to plug the Vive into it)

-Do I need any other chords/adapters to connect everything to the monitor?

-Are there any parts I'm missing that are needed to get this setup fully functioning?

If you need any other information to answer my (stupid) questions, please let me know.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: DavinPro on June 29, 2017, 08:22:50 PM
No need to answer my questions. I was doing some digging around on TGB and found the article and forum on cryptocurrency. Was a very interesting read, and explains why the seller i was looking at buying my gtx 1080 from ran out of stock. Makes the most sense for me to wait til this is over and see what the $1500 build is when it is next updated.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on June 29, 2017, 09:08:52 PM
No need to answer my questions. I was doing some digging around on TGB and found the article and forum on cryptocurrency. Was a very interesting read, and explains why the seller i was looking at buying my gtx 1080 from ran out of stock. Makes the most sense for me to wait til this is over and see what the $1500 build is when it is next updated.

Glad you found the answers you were looking for. Yes, it's going to be hard to find the GTX 1080 in stock for a while due to the Ethereum craze.

Just two comments on that build:
1) you're replacing two very good 140mm front fans with two pretty mediocre 120mm fans. That's a downgrade. I'd suggest getting one SilverStone 120mm red LED fan (http://amzn.to/2s7yTG5) for the rear.
2) You won't need any additional cables, but keep in mind that the Vive will need to plug into the back of the system, so you'll need space to get back there and have the cable run up to the person wearing it without getting caught on shelving and such.

By the way, the PCPartPicker warning about incompatibility is wrong. That's the problem with using their automated system. No one actually reviews the data for inaccuracies.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: DavinPro on June 30, 2017, 03:21:09 AM

Just two comments on that build:
1) you're replacing two very good 140mm front fans with two pretty mediocre 120mm fans. That's a downgrade. I'd suggest getting one SilverStone 120mm red LED fan (http://amzn.to/2s7yTG5) for the rear.
2) You won't need any additional cables, but keep in mind that the Vive will need to plug into the back of the system, so you'll need space to get back there and have the cable run up to the person wearing it without getting caught on shelving and such.

By the way, the PCPartPicker warning about incompatibility is wrong. That's the problem with using their automated system. No one actually reviews the data for inaccuracies.


Thanks for taking the time to see what i put together :)

1.  I wasnt planning on replacing the front fans. It was my understanding that the case had room for 5 fans total, 2 stock front intakes, 1 back, and 2 on top.

2.  I actually have a massive (probably 30ft Long x 20ft Wide x 12ft High) room that this is gping to be set up in, and the room is mostly empty right now so i can fit this wherever is best, no worries on spacing.

Thanks for the tip off on the pcpartspicker warning, i actually was confused by that for several minutes before I did some research and found listed in several places that it indeed did have an empty 5.25" drive bay.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on June 30, 2017, 07:35:36 AM


Thanks for taking the time to see what i put together :)

1.  I wasnt planning on replacing the front fans. It was my understanding that the case had room for 5 fans total, 2 stock front intakes, 1 back, and 2 on top.

2.  I actually have a massive (probably 30ft Long x 20ft Wide x 12ft High) room that this is gping to be set up in, and the room is mostly empty right now so i can fit this wherever is best, no worries on spacing.

Thanks for the tip off on the pcpartspicker warning, i actually was confused by that for several minutes before I did some research and found listed in several places that it indeed did have an empty 5.25" drive bay.

Sounds good! You're right about the case - it can fit three additional fans, but one thing to know is that low-cost fans with sleeve bearings don't work well mounted horizontally.  They'll sound scratchy. Unfortunately, red LED fans with better bearings cost a lot more, as in $25 a piece. The fan recommended in the guide will work perfectly horizontally, but has no lighting.

By the way, if you'll be buying any parts at Amazon, please use the original links in the guide rather than pcpartpicker to help support the TBG website.  Thanks!
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: DavinPro on June 30, 2017, 11:34:16 AM
Sounds good! You're right about the case - it can fit three additional fans, but one thing to know is that low-cost fans with sleeve bearings don't work well mounted horizontally.  They'll sound scratchy. Unfortunately, red LED fans with better bearings cost a lot more, as in $25 a piece. The fan recommended in the guide will work perfectly horizontally, but has no lighting.

By the way, if you'll be buying any parts at Amazon, please use the original links in the guide rather than pcpartpicker to help support the TBG website.  Thanks!

I figured since the case is black and red i would just go with a black and red theme hence the red LED fans. I tried to find hydraulic bearing fans in red (or whatever they are called) but found what you said, they are all very expensive. I don't need 5 fans, but figured what the heck, its an extra 15-20 bucks and will keep everything cooler (even if its not much cooler) I will do my best to use links provided by TBG for parts (I prefer to buy parts off amazon anyway). I will be asking more questions once the build has updated and parts are available again. Any idea of a time-frame for when this stupid cryptocurrency rage will blow over?
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on June 30, 2017, 01:06:49 PM
The mining craze will end when people realize they're losing money buying video cards to mine. Unfortunately, the forums have very few people posting about how foolish they feel.

For people who own cards for gaming, yes, you can make a little money ($2 a day for a gtx 1060, $2.50 for a 1070), but they're buying them for hundreds of dollars over retail. That defies common sense, as every day you make less and less. And you potentially ruin the card in the process, so no one should touch used cards when the bubble bursts.

All very silly if you ask me, and I'm mining with three of the most powerful mining GPUs ever made, just so I can report on the phenomenon.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: DavinPro on July 03, 2017, 03:35:02 PM
Can you please explain the difference between the two, or is it just brand name you are paying +$300 for?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01GJEE9BG/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1499120932&sr=8-4&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=gtx+1080&dpPl=1&dpID=51OguWe7MEL&ref=plSrch (http://amzn.to/2tDONMF)

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01K5F8MJK/ref=mp_s_a_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1499120932&sr=8-5&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=gtx+1080&dpPl=1&dpID=51JaCX3Oe1L&ref=plSrch (http://amzn.to/2ujOAvs)
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on July 03, 2017, 04:48:49 PM
You're seeing the cryptocurrency effect. But I guarantee the $530 Gigabyte model will be sold out by day's end.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: DavinPro on July 03, 2017, 05:21:55 PM
Im just asking if they are the same card/ will either work with the $1500 build?
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: DavinPro on July 03, 2017, 05:26:13 PM
And in your opinion should i buy the $530 one or just wait (who knows how long) until the craze is over and prices return to normal?
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on July 03, 2017, 06:10:58 PM
This craze is unprecedented. No one has any idea how long it will last. Never before have such high end cards been affected.

The lowest that gigabyte model has ever been is $490. $530 is a good price when every model under $575 is sold out.

And it will work fine. The Asus is a little quieter, but is now more expensive than a GTX 1080 Ti, which is totally ridiculous. Not only is the 1080 Ti 30% faster in games, it's 50% better for mining, which I know because I've mined with both!
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: senorpatches on July 03, 2017, 06:19:16 PM
Hey Ari I was wondering if I swapped out the graphics card you recommended for the 1,500$ build, for the Zotac ZT-P10800I-10P GeForce GTX 1080 AMP Extreme+, would it still be compatible?
Here is the link : https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0722D3KQG/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
 (http://amzn.to/2sGRtEv)
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: DavinPro on July 03, 2017, 06:57:47 PM
Thanks for the quick response. Bought the Gigabyte one while stock lasts, i figured even it is overkill for my needs no sense in me being picky.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on July 03, 2017, 07:56:03 PM
Hey Ari I was wondering if I swapped out the graphics card you recommended for the 1,500$ build, for the Zotac ZT-P10800I-10P GeForce GTX 1080 AMP Extreme+, would it still be compatible?
Here is the link : https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0722D3KQG/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
 (http://amzn.to/2sGRtEv)

That card technically would fit, but I don't view it as a particularly good deal, and furthermore, it would make it nearly impossible to run SLI in the future because it's a 3-slot card.

I strongly recommend the Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1080 G1 (http://amzn.to/2sAHXHX), which just came back in stock today at $530, about $50 less than any other GTX 1080. It will sell out very quickly at that price. As long as people continue to believe there's profit to be had in Ethereum mining, the prices on GTX 1080 cards, and every other card on the market, will continue to go up.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: nzkfc on July 04, 2017, 10:27:47 PM
Hey Ari I was wondering if I swapped out the graphics card you recommended for the 1,500$ build, for the Zotac ZT-P10800I-10P GeForce GTX 1080 AMP Extreme+, would it still be compatible?
Here is the link : https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0722D3KQG/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
 (http://amzn.to/2sGRtEv)

That card technically would fit, but I don't view it as a particularly good deal, and furthermore, it would make it nearly impossible to run SLI in the future because it's a 3-slot card.

I strongly recommend the Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1080 G1 (http://amzn.to/2sAHXHX), which just came back in stock today at $530, about $50 less than any other GTX 1080. It will sell out very quickly at that price. As long as people continue to believe there's profit to be had it Ethereum mining, the prices on GTX 1080 cards, and every other card on the market, will continue to go up.

How about this card, seems to be 10.5" but not sure on height: https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=08G-P4-6686-KR

Also with the mining, plenty of money in it if your running a farm, solo with 6-8 is pointless.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on July 04, 2017, 10:36:32 PM
Hey Ari I was wondering if I swapped out the graphics card you recommended for the 1,500$ build, for the Zotac ZT-P10800I-10P GeForce GTX 1080 AMP Extreme+, would it still be compatible?
Here is the link : https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0722D3KQG/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
 (http://amzn.to/2sGRtEv)

That card technically would fit, but I don't view it as a particularly good deal, and furthermore, it would make it nearly impossible to run SLI in the future because it's a 3-slot card.

I strongly recommend the Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1080 G1 (http://amzn.to/2sAHXHX), which just came back in stock today at $530, about $50 less than any other GTX 1080. It will sell out very quickly at that price. As long as people continue to believe there's profit to be had it Ethereum mining, the prices on GTX 1080 cards, and every other card on the market, will continue to go up.

How about this card, seems to be 10.5" but not sure on height: https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=08G-P4-6686-KR

Also with the mining, plenty of money in it if your running a farm, solo with 6-8 is pointless.

Welcome to the Forum, nzkfc!

Yes, the EVGA GTX 1080 FTW2 (http://amzn.to/2tOUGqF) would work fine. While it's a bit taller than reference, that's not an issue in the ATX tower case used for this build. It would, however, be a problem in certain compact builds, including many that use ITX cases. That being said, it's not a particularly good value at $590, which is actually its retail price (not inflated by mining).
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: nzkfc on July 04, 2017, 11:57:47 PM
Hey Ari I was wondering if I swapped out the graphics card you recommended for the 1,500$ build, for the Zotac ZT-P10800I-10P GeForce GTX 1080 AMP Extreme+, would it still be compatible?
Here is the link : https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0722D3KQG/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
 (http://amzn.to/2sGRtEv)

That card technically would fit, but I don't view it as a particularly good deal, and furthermore, it would make it nearly impossible to run SLI in the future because it's a 3-slot card.

I strongly recommend the Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1080 G1 (http://amzn.to/2sAHXHX), which just came back in stock today at $530, about $50 less than any other GTX 1080. It will sell out very quickly at that price. As long as people continue to believe there's profit to be had it Ethereum mining, the prices on GTX 1080 cards, and every other card on the market, will continue to go up.

How about this card, seems to be 10.5" but not sure on height: https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=08G-P4-6686-KR

Also with the mining, plenty of money in it if your running a farm, solo with 6-8 is pointless.

Welcome to the Forum, nzkfc!

Yes, the EVGA GTX 1080 FTW2 (http://amzn.to/2tOUGqF) would work fine. While it's a bit taller than reference, that's not an issue in the ATX tower case used for this build. It would, however, be a problem in certain compact builds, including many that use ITX cases. That being said, it's not a particularly good value at $590, which is actually its retail price (not inflated by mining).

Oohh I posted in here thinking this was the SG13 build, so don't think it will fit?

Might be worth update the title of the other post that the guide links too so it looks less like a users q/a thread (which it originally was)
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on July 05, 2017, 08:13:50 AM


Oohh I posted in here thinking this was the SG13 build, so don't think it will fit?

Might be worth update the title of the other post that the guide links too so it looks less like a users q/a thread (which it originally was)

So sorry about that - I'll fix the $1,500 ITX Build thread (http://techbuyersguru.com/forum/index.php?topic=362.0) to make it clearer what it's for.

As for the EVGA GTX 1080 FTW2 (http://amzn.to/2tR2jg2) in the SilverStone SG13 (http://amzn.to/2tQZbkC) case, it's actually going to be an incredibly close call. The absolute height limit for video cards in the SG13 case is 129mm, and the FTW2 is in fact 129mm tall. This isn't a setup I can recommend on this website, as I don't have the FTW2 to test to see if it will actually slide into the SG13 case, so it's up to readers to take a chance on that combination. Remember, with the SG13 case, the card must be inserted from the front, so the portal in the chassis for the card is a hard stop - if it doesn't slide in, it doesn't slide in!
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: DavinPro on July 05, 2017, 06:37:55 PM
Quick question, you recommended a 550w psu for this pc, seeing as in your testing it used 300w under load. I used a power supply calculator site for my exact setup and it came out to 370w under load. I also might overclock a little down the road and so need some wiggle room. The site suggested i get a 650w psu, is that really enough of a difference to warrant upgrading to a 650w? I already ordered the recommended psu, but shouldn't have any problems returning it if i need to upgrade.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on July 05, 2017, 11:11:17 PM
Quick question, you recommended a 550w psu for this pc, seeing as in your testing it used 300w under load. I used a power supply calculator site for my exact setup and it came out to 370w under load. I also might overclock a little down the road and so need some wiggle room. The site suggested i get a 650w psu, is that really enough of a difference to warrant upgrading to a 650w? I already ordered the recommended psu, but shouldn't have any problems returning it if i need to upgrade.

You'll be fine with the EVGA Supernova 550W. PSU calculators always assume you're getting a low-quality PSU. The Supernova is the best 550W PSU available. It can handle 370W without an issue.

And by the way, I doubt the wattage calculator is actually right about that 370W...
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: DavinPro on July 06, 2017, 03:17:20 AM
Ok. Thanks a bunch for all your help :)
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: senorpatches on July 07, 2017, 09:52:39 AM
Hey Sri, I was wondering if I destroy my Intel Optane Memory volume due accidently installing the Windows O.S onto it, but now I have erase everything on ot. If I am still able to use.ot, my next question would.be how would I be able to.accerlate my Seagate hdd, because I've been lost in bios and I have updated.its f6
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on July 07, 2017, 10:05:31 AM
You didn't destroy the Optane module, don't worry. But what you want to do is install Windows to your Seagate drive. You'll start using it just like a normal computer with a hard drive, and then you'll enable the Optane cache.

This Intel instructional video (https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/memory-and-storage/intel-optane-memory/000023853.html) will help you get the Optane set up.

Specifically, in the BIOS, you need UEFI enabled, CSM disabled, Intel RST enabled, and M.2 Port Remaping enabled.

Then you need to run Intel's SetupOptane.exe application (http://-https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/26865/Intel-Rapid-Storage-Technology-Intel-RST-?v=t) to setup the caching system.

Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: nzkfc on July 17, 2017, 08:32:03 PM
Why the intel optane in the build by the way? I know it's new tech and supposed to work, but it's still horrible.

why not just take the plunge into an SSD.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on July 17, 2017, 10:59:07 PM
Why the intel optane in the build by the way? I know it's new tech and supposed to work, but it's still horrible.

why not just take the plunge into an SSD.

The dramatic increase in GPU prices meant that something big had to give way for this build. But at this point, the Optane has been pulled in favor of a Seagate Hybrid drive.

There's simply no way to build a gaming PC for $1,500 with an SSD right now due to the absence of all video cards between $300 and $500.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: DavinPro on July 27, 2017, 07:13:41 PM
I completed the $1500 build around 2 weeks ago but didn't understand that i was supposed to set up Inte Optane before installing Windows 10. I already have Windows 10 installed on my computer with Intel Optane installed on my motherboard but not set up ( did not know what i was doing at the time ) I am now trying to get the Optane working and still have no idea what im doing. Is there any way for me to get Optane set up from where I'm at without wiping my HDD and starting from the beginning?
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on July 27, 2017, 08:05:39 PM
I completed the $1500 build around 2 weeks ago but didn't understand that i was supposed to set up Inte Optane before installing Windows 10. I already have Windows 10 installed on my computer with Intel Optane installed on my motherboard but not set up ( did not know what i was doing at the time ) I am now trying to get the Optane working and still have no idea what im doing. Is there any way for me to get Optane set up from where I'm at without wiping my HDD and starting from the beginning?

Actually, you're OK - Windows 10 does not install on the Optane module, and you do not need Optane in your system when you install Windows 10 on the hard drive.

This Intel installation video (https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/memory-and-storage/intel-optane-memory/000023845.html) will show you how to enable your Optane cache module from within Windows 10.

The truth is that this has confused a lot of readers, which is the reason Intel Optane has been pulled from the latest buyer's guide. Optane works great once it's installed, but it really takes too many steps to get working.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: DavinPro on July 28, 2017, 02:58:54 PM
I don't know how much you know about setting up Optane, but i have had nothing but problems. I did everything i was supposed to do ( updated BIOS to intel optane supported f6 (i had f3 installed on my motherboard), downloaded the optane startup app) but when i go to run the startup app it says i have an unsupported BIOS. So i did some troubleshooting and found that that message is displayed when BIOS is unsupported OR when SATA controller mode isn't set to RST premium mode. Mine wasn't set to RST premium mode. After i set it to said mode windows 10 won't work, and requires a reinstallation. If i switch the SATA controller mode back to what it was originally Windows 10 works just fine and i can use my computer as i have been. Im stuck and don't know what to do, if you can't help in this area i will try Intels support.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on July 28, 2017, 03:43:35 PM
I really can't help you any further. Either try Intel's support, or better yet return the Optane module. Intel clearly released it before it was ready. It's caused a lot of problems for a lot of people.

You'll be better off at this point buying a Crucial MX300 275GB and reinstalling your OS on it.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: DavinPro on July 28, 2017, 03:47:37 PM
Thanks for all your help and support, i totally understand why you cant help further. I will look into it a little deeper before i decide return mine, but if thats what it comes to i will do so.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on July 28, 2017, 04:42:42 PM
Thanks for all your help and support, i totally understand why you cant help further. I will look into it a little deeper before i decide return mine, but if thats what it comes to i will do so.

Thanks for understanding. I'm really sorry it worked out this way, because in concept Optane could have been a game-changer.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: DsevenO on September 19, 2017, 01:05:13 AM
Looking at the build as of the date of this post, there are a few things I need help with. I'm in Canada, and the Canadian links for the case and the power supply go to a different make and model than the ones recommenced in the build. Is this intentional? Also just as an fyi, the video card listed is no longer in stock at Amazon.ca.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on September 19, 2017, 08:21:33 AM
Looking at the build as of the date of this post, there are a few things I need help with. I'm in Canada, and the Canadian links for the case and the power supply go to a different make and model than the ones recommenced in the build. Is this intentional? Also just as an fyi, the video card listed is no longer in stock at Amazon.ca.

Welcome to the Forum, DsevenO!

Really good question there - as it turns out, neither SilverStone nor Seasonic have a retail presence in Canada, and so alternative products have been linked in the guide for Canadian readers that are of equal or better quality. I've actually spoken to SilverStone about this, and they told me SilverStone was going establish an official relationship with Amazon Canada, but apparently this hasn't happened yet. While a few products are available at reasonable prices, most are not.

As for the video card, this is a common problem with GTX 1070 cards - they are ALL out of stock all around the world. Right now, the Zotac GTX 1070 Mini (http://amzn.to/2xjUq3B) is available for backorder in Canada, shipping on Sept. 22nd, which is actually really, really good. Most GTX 1070 models are backordered for longer.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: DsevenO on September 19, 2017, 02:38:33 PM
Looking at the build as of the date of this post, there are a few things I need help with. I'm in Canada, and the Canadian links for the case and the power supply go to a different make and model than the ones recommenced in the build. Is this intentional? Also just as an fyi, the video card listed is no longer in stock at Amazon.ca.

Welcome to the Forum, DsevenO!

Really good question there - as it turns out, neither SilverStone nor Seasonic have a retail presence in Canada, and so alternative products have been linked in the guide for Canadian readers that are of equal or better quality. I've actually spoken to SilverStone about this, and they told me SilverStone was going establish an official relationship with Amazon Canada, but apparently this hasn't happened yet. While a few products are available at reasonable prices, most are not.

As for the video card, this is a common problem with GTX 1070 cards - they are ALL out of stock all around the world. Right now, the Zotac GTX 1070 Mini (http://amzn.to/2xjUq3B) is available for backorder in Canada, shipping on Sept. 22nd, which is actually really, really good. Most GTX 1070 models are backordered for longer.

Thanks so much for the reply! I assumed this was the case with regard to the components, but I wanted to be sure. I prefer the alternative computer case that was linked, so it works out great.

The video card is available at NewEgg.ca still, so I'll be purchasing from there. Thanks again for the welcome and the reply. This site is truly amazing.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on September 19, 2017, 02:53:43 PM
Looking at the build as of the date of this post, there are a few things I need help with. I'm in Canada, and the Canadian links for the case and the power supply go to a different make and model than the ones recommenced in the build. Is this intentional? Also just as an fyi, the video card listed is no longer in stock at Amazon.ca.

Welcome to the Forum, DsevenO!

Really good question there - as it turns out, neither SilverStone nor Seasonic have a retail presence in Canada, and so alternative products have been linked in the guide for Canadian readers that are of equal or better quality. I've actually spoken to SilverStone about this, and they told me SilverStone was going establish an official relationship with Amazon Canada, but apparently this hasn't happened yet. While a few products are available at reasonable prices, most are not.

As for the video card, this is a common problem with GTX 1070 cards - they are ALL out of stock all around the world. Right now, the Zotac GTX 1070 Mini (http://amzn.to/2xjUq3B) is available for backorder in Canada, shipping on Sept. 22nd, which is actually really, really good. Most GTX 1070 models are backordered for longer.

Thanks so much for the reply! I assumed this was the case with regard to the components, but I wanted to be sure. I prefer the alternative computer case that was linked, so it works out great.

The video card is available at NewEgg.ca still, so I'll be purchasing from there. Thanks again for the welcome and the reply. This site is truly amazing.

Happy to help! If you haven't ordered your GTX 1070 from Newegg.ca yet, please consider using this link to the Zotac 1070 Mini (http://www.anrdoezrs.net/links/7120282/type/dlg/https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500408&cm_re=gtx_1070_mioni-_-14-500-408-_-Product), which will help support this site. Thanks!

Newegg.ca also has the Enthoo Pro M (http://www.anrdoezrs.net/links/7120282/type/dlg/https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811854037&cm_re=enthoo_pro_m-_-11-854-037-_-Product) in stock at a very good price. Unfortunately, it's out of stock not only at Amazon.ca, but Amazon.com as well.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: DsevenO on September 19, 2017, 05:24:11 PM
Happy to help! If you haven't ordered your GTX 1070 from Newegg.ca yet, please consider using this link to the Zotac 1070 Mini (http://www.anrdoezrs.net/links/7120282/type/dlg/https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500408&cm_re=gtx_1070_mioni-_-14-500-408-_-Product), which will help support this site. Thanks!

Newegg.ca also has the Enthoo Pro M (http://www.anrdoezrs.net/links/7120282/type/dlg/https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811854037&cm_re=enthoo_pro_m-_-11-854-037-_-Product) in stock at a very good price. Unfortunately, it's out of stock not only at Amazon.ca, but Amazon.com as well.

As is turns out, the alternate video card that you linked was the one that I decided to go with. Looks like a beast, and I'm happy to help the site for providing such comprehensive and helpful information.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: DsevenO on September 19, 2017, 05:38:57 PM
Also, if you have a link to the 4 TB version of the Seagate hard drive (https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B01LNJBA50/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pd_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=2J53K4A2X4LK1&coliid=IXIMT6KZ4PGG0&psc=1) (I'm a bear for storage) or the black version of the case (https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16811854042)  or this Blu Ray drive (https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B00E7B08MS/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=2J53K4A2X4LK1&coliid=I2X1PJ6JTJJIY7&psc=1) , I'd be happy to use it.

Quick question (since things are still in my virtual cart): do items added to a wish list preserve their link data? I want to be sure that TBG gets all due support for putting together my shopping list. If not, I will add the items to my cart directly from the links provided by the site. Thanks.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on September 19, 2017, 07:23:51 PM
Also, if you have a link to the 4 TB version of the Seagate hard drive (https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B01LNJBA50/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pd_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=2J53K4A2X4LK1&coliid=IXIMT6KZ4PGG0&psc=1) (I'm a bear for storage) or the black version of the case (https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16811854042)  or this Blu Ray drive (https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B00E7B08MS/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=2J53K4A2X4LK1&coliid=I2X1PJ6JTJJIY7&psc=1) , I'd be happy to use it.

Quick question (since things are still in my virtual cart): do items added to a wish list preserve their link data? I want to be sure that TBG gets all due support for putting together my shopping list. If not, I will add the items to my cart directly from the links provided by the site. Thanks.

Thanks for your support of this site!

I didn't want to mention this because it's a bit more expensive, but the glass version of the Enthoo Pro M (http://www.anrdoezrs.net/links/7120282/type/dlg/https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16811854042) is absolutely the one to go with it if you can afford it. Glass panels will maintain their appearance for a long time, while acrylic panels scratch very easily.

As for the other links you requested, here they are:
Seagate 4TB drive (http://amzn.to/2xQlAQU)
Blu-Ray Drive (http://amzn.to/2xl86es)

In terms of wish lists, I know that Amazon will not credit The Tech Buyer's Guru for items that were already in the cart. If you move them from a wish list to the cart after using one of TBG's links, it will probably credit the site - I really don't know actually. As for Newegg, I'm pretty sure that items moved from a wish list to the cart will be credited after following a Newegg.ca link.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: DsevenO on September 19, 2017, 08:04:24 PM
Also, if you have a link to the 4 TB version of the Seagate hard drive (https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B01LNJBA50/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pd_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=2J53K4A2X4LK1&coliid=IXIMT6KZ4PGG0&psc=1) (I'm a bear for storage) or the black version of the case (https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16811854042)  or this Blu Ray drive (https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B00E7B08MS/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=2J53K4A2X4LK1&coliid=I2X1PJ6JTJJIY7&psc=1) , I'd be happy to use it.

Quick question (since things are still in my virtual cart): do items added to a wish list preserve their link data? I want to be sure that TBG gets all due support for putting together my shopping list. If not, I will add the items to my cart directly from the links provided by the site. Thanks.

Thanks for your support of this site!

I didn't want to mention this because it's a bit more expensive, but the glass version of the Enthoo Pro M (http://www.anrdoezrs.net/links/7120282/type/dlg/https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16811854042) is absolutely the one to go with it if you can afford it. Glass panels will maintain their appearance for a long time, while acrylic panels scratch very easily.

As for the other links you requested, here they are:
Seagate 4TB drive (http://amzn.to/2xQlAQU)
Blu-Ray Drive (http://amzn.to/2xl86es)

In terms of wish lists, I know that Amazon will not credit The Tech Buyer's Guru for items that were already in the cart. If you move them from a wish list to the cart after using one of TBG's links, it will probably credit the site - I really don't know actually. As for Newegg, I'm pretty sure that items moved from a wish list to the cart will be credited after following a Newegg.ca link.

This is great. I will be getting the glass case for sure. Even though I have to think that TBG would get credit for items added to a wish list from links from your site, I'm going to play it safe and add the items to the cart directly from their independent links from TBG. Thanks again for all the help, and I'll be sure to upload some pics when the build is done.  ;D
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on September 19, 2017, 08:10:13 PM
Looking forward to hearing how the build goes!
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Krafko on September 25, 2017, 11:00:17 AM
Hello,
I see you added peripherals for this build, and since you have even monitors, maybe you should also add a mousepad / speakers / headphones too? :)
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on September 25, 2017, 11:30:16 AM
Hello,
I see you added peripherals for this build, and since you have even monitors, maybe you should also add a mousepad / speakers / headphones too? :)

Yes, indeed, a number of optional accessories were added. I considered adding speakers/headphones, but those are very personal, and a lot of people already have something they like. Mice, keyboards, and monitors advance much faster than audio equipment, which is why anyone building a new PC should at least consider upgrading them. As for the mouse pad - that's something that might be added next month - good suggestion!
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: DsevenO on October 02, 2017, 03:03:59 PM
Just checking in. I'm close to finishing my build, but I've run into a snag. The case (https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811854042) that I ordered didn't come with a fan hub (not sure if it was supposed to), so the two fans that come mounted on the case don't seem to have anywhere to plug in. They are 3 pin plugs and I can't find anywhere on the motherboard to plug them in. Any advice?
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on October 02, 2017, 03:15:59 PM
Just checking in. I'm close to finishing my build, but I've run into a snag. The case (https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811854042) that I ordered didn't come with a fan hub (not sure if it was supposed to), so the two fans that come mounted on the case don't seem to have anywhere to plug in. They are 3 pin plugs and I can't find anywhere on the motherboard to plug them in. Any advice?

You are correct that the Phanteks Enthoo Pro M (http://www.anrdoezrs.net/links/7120282/type/dlg/https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811854042) does not have a fan hub, but the motherboard does in fact have 4-pin fan headers. These are the ones you need to use - they can accept either 4-pin or 3-pin fans.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Codar on October 02, 2017, 03:53:22 PM
Hi guys, don't mean to chime in, but I've had this burning question for a long time now and haven't gotten a tailored answer:

I'm a music producer/sound designer and I also edit heavy videos. Recently I got into computer programming and web development and I also love playing high-end video games. So clearly I need a beast of a PC, let's just say my maximum here is a $2,500 build. What would you suggest with all of this in mind?

So Music Production/Video Editing/Programming/High-end Gaming.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: DsevenO on October 02, 2017, 04:07:10 PM
Just checking in. I'm close to finishing my build, but I've run into a snag. The case (https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811854042) that I ordered didn't come with a fan hub (not sure if it was supposed to), so the two fans that come mounted on the case don't seem to have anywhere to plug in. They are 3 pin plugs and I can't find anywhere on the motherboard to plug them in. Any advice?

You are correct that the Phanteks Enthoo Pro M (http://www.anrdoezrs.net/links/7120282/type/dlg/https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811854042) does not have a fan hub, but the motherboard does in fact have 4-pin fan headers. These are the ones you need to use - they can accept either 4-pin or 3-pin fans.

Thanks a bunch. Fortunately I have just enough outlets on the mobo to accept all of my fans, so things are looking good.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on October 02, 2017, 04:13:14 PM
Hi guys, don't mean to chime in, but I've had this burning question for a long time now and haven't gotten a tailored answer:

I'm a music producer/sound designer and I also edit heavy videos. Recently I got into computer programming and web development and I also love playing high-end video games. So clearly I need a beast of a PC, let's just say my maximum here is a $2,500 build. What would you suggest with all of this in mind?

So Music Production/Video Editing/Programming/High-end Gaming.

Welcome to the Forum, Codar!

You've pretty much listed every high-end use, so yes, you need a high-end machine. What's the resolution of the monitor you'd be gaming on, now or in the near future? While TBG's $2,500 Extreme 4K Gaming PC (https://techbuyersguru.com/2500-extreme-4k-gaming-pc-build) is an obvious choice, for your usage pattern, something with more CPU power and maybe a bit less GPU power could be a better balance at that pricepoint.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Codar on October 02, 2017, 04:52:17 PM
Hi guys, don't mean to chime in, but I've had this burning question for a long time now and haven't gotten a tailored answer:

I'm a music producer/sound designer and I also edit heavy videos. Recently I got into computer programming and web development and I also love playing high-end video games. So clearly I need a beast of a PC, let's just say my maximum here is a $2,500 build. What would you suggest with all of this in mind?

So Music Production/Video Editing/Programming/High-end Gaming.

Welcome to the Forum, Codar!

You've pretty much listed every high-end use, so yes, you need a high-end machine. What's the resolution of the monitor you'd be gaming on, now or in the near future? While TBG's $2,500 Extreme 4K Gaming PC (https://techbuyersguru.com/2500-extreme-4k-gaming-pc-build) is an obvious choice, for your usage pattern, something with more CPU power and maybe a bit less GPU power could be a better balance at that pricepoint.

Thanks Ari!

Well ideally 4K if it's within the price range on top of everything else (willing to go to $3,000 at a maximum to guarantee everything being top-notch so as to includ 4k plus high-end CPU power). That link could prove useful but I feel like maybe you have a slightly better suggestion for the overall work set-up I'm striving for next to my gaming!
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Codar on October 02, 2017, 04:58:41 PM
Hi guys, don't mean to chime in, but I've had this burning question for a long time now and haven't gotten a tailored answer:

I'm a music producer/sound designer and I also edit heavy videos. Recently I got into computer programming and web development and I also love playing high-end video games. So clearly I need a beast of a PC, let's just say my maximum here is a $2,500 build. What would you suggest with all of this in mind?

So Music Production/Video Editing/Programming/High-end Gaming.

Welcome to the Forum, Codar!

You've pretty much listed every high-end use, so yes, you need a high-end machine. What's the resolution of the monitor you'd be gaming on, now or in the near future? While TBG's $2,500 Extreme 4K Gaming PC (https://techbuyersguru.com/2500-extreme-4k-gaming-pc-build) is an obvious choice, for your usage pattern, something with more CPU power and maybe a bit less GPU power could be a better balance at that pricepoint.

Just realized you were saying that I could potentially have as good of a build for my needs for cheaper than $2,500. So let's assume I need a minimum of a great 4k functionality, but with more CPU power and a bit less GPU power for the price point!
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on October 02, 2017, 10:48:50 PM
Hi guys, don't mean to chime in, but I've had this burning question for a long time now and haven't gotten a tailored answer:

I'm a music producer/sound designer and I also edit heavy videos. Recently I got into computer programming and web development and I also love playing high-end video games. So clearly I need a beast of a PC, let's just say my maximum here is a $2,500 build. What would you suggest with all of this in mind?

So Music Production/Video Editing/Programming/High-end Gaming.

Welcome to the Forum, Codar!

You've pretty much listed every high-end use, so yes, you need a high-end machine. What's the resolution of the monitor you'd be gaming on, now or in the near future? While TBG's $2,500 Extreme 4K Gaming PC (https://techbuyersguru.com/2500-extreme-4k-gaming-pc-build) is an obvious choice, for your usage pattern, something with more CPU power and maybe a bit less GPU power could be a better balance at that pricepoint.

Just realized you were saying that I could potentially have as good of a build for my needs for cheaper than $2,500. So let's assume I need a minimum of a great 4k functionality, but with more CPU power and a bit less GPU power for the price point!

I created a new thread to discuss your build needs, as they don't quite fit into this $1,500 High End Gaming PC Build thread. Check it out here (https://techbuyersguru.com/forum/index.php?topic=475.0).
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Codar on October 04, 2017, 03:59:13 PM
Hi guys, don't mean to chime in, but I've had this burning question for a long time now and haven't gotten a tailored answer:

I'm a music producer/sound designer and I also edit heavy videos. Recently I got into computer programming and web development and I also love playing high-end video games. So clearly I need a beast of a PC, let's just say my maximum here is a $2,500 build. What would you suggest with all of this in mind?

So Music Production/Video Editing/Programming/High-end Gaming.

Welcome to the Forum, Codar!

You've pretty much listed every high-end use, so yes, you need a high-end machine. What's the resolution of the monitor you'd be gaming on, now or in the near future? While TBG's $2,500 Extreme 4K Gaming PC (https://techbuyersguru.com/2500-extreme-4k-gaming-pc-build) is an obvious choice, for your usage pattern, something with more CPU power and maybe a bit less GPU power could be a better balance at that pricepoint.

Just realized you were saying that I could potentially have as good of a build for my needs for cheaper than $2,500. So let's assume I need a minimum of a great 4k functionality, but with more CPU power and a bit less GPU power for the price point!

I created a new thread to discuss your build needs, as they don't quite fit into this $1,500 High End Gaming PC Build thread. Check it out here (https://techbuyersguru.com/forum/index.php?topic=475.0).

Wow you're just too awesome. Thanks a truck load!
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: dxpdrew on October 09, 2017, 03:35:11 PM
Greetings everyone,

I recently decided to finally build a gaming PC! I received a case and ssd as a birthday present so I have a few questions about replacing and changing a few parts of the 1500$ PC build. Is it fine that I changed the SSD and case? Will the fan and everything else fit in the case? And most importantly will it run fine? Thanks for the help! I have the changes bold to avoid confusion. Thanks again!

CPU:Intel Core i7-7700K
MOTHERBOARD:Gigabyte GA-Z270XP-SLI
VIDEO CARD:MSI GeForce GTX 1070 Armor 8G
MEMORY:Corsair 2x8GB Vengeance LPX DDR4-3000 White
SSD:850 EVO Series Solid State Drive, 500GB
HARD DRIVE: Seagate Barracuda 2TB
CASE:S340 Elite ATX Mid Tower Case, Matte Black
POWER SUPPLY: Seasonic SSR-550FX
CPU COOLER: Cryorig H5 Ultimate

Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on October 09, 2017, 04:24:00 PM
Greetings everyone,

I recently decided to finally build a gaming PC! I received a case and ssd as a birthday present so I have a few questions about replacing and changing a few parts of the 1500$ PC build. Is it fine that I changed the SSD and case? Will the fan and everything else fit in the case? And most importantly will it run fine? Thanks for the help! I have the changes bold to avoid confusion. Thanks again!

CPU:Intel Core i7-7700K
MOTHERBOARD:Gigabyte GA-Z270XP-SLI
VIDEO CARD:MSI GeForce GTX 1070 Armor 8G
MEMORY:Corsair 2x8GB Vengeance LPX DDR4-3000 White
SSD:850 EVO Series Solid State Drive, 500GB
HARD DRIVE: Seagate Barracuda 2TB
CASE:S340 Elite ATX Mid Tower Case, Matte Black
POWER SUPPLY: Seasonic SSR-550FX
CPU COOLER: Cryorig H5 Ultimate

Welcome to the TBG Forum, dxpdrew!

The NZXT S340 Elite (https://www.amazon.com/S340VR-Elite-Computer-Matte-CA-S340W-B3/dp/B01LZQMXJT/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1507591353&sr=1-1&keywords=NZXT+S340+Elite&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=bcf694185bdcf7379f337ffc8c072f4e) case is a very popular case due to its unique style, but it doesn't offer particularly good performance, and it's so small that it cannot fit 140mm tower coolers like the Cryorig H5 Ultimate (https://www.amazon.com/Cryorig-Ultimate-CR-H5B-Middle-Heatsink/dp/B0154AXB4C/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1507591501&sr=1-1&keywords=Cryorig+H5+Ultimate&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=33d7fb3a1f7a985cbeb587112c21eac7). A case with similar style but much higher performance and interior space for the same price is the Phanteks Enthoo Pro Tempered Glass (https://www.amazon.com/Phanteks-PH-ES515PTG_BK-Tempered-Brushed-Plastic/dp/B01LRVHH6K/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&qid=1507591099&sr=8-1&keywords=enthoo+pro+m+tempered+glass&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=039ad6ac5d320b2bbbfe1d9c81137fbe). For a big aesthetic upgrade, also consider the brand-new RGB-lit Enthoo Pro M SE (https://www.amazon.com/Phanteks-PH-ES515PTG_SWT-Integrated-lighting-Tempered/dp/B074Q5MFX5/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&qid=1507591099&sr=8-2&keywords=enthoo+pro+m+tempered+glass&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=187669448aea6c0a3c87baf18ce298f0).

If you're set on the S340, you'll need to drop down to the Cryorig H7 (https://www.amazon.com/CRYORIG-Tower-Cooler-Intel-CPUs/dp/B00S7YA5FQ/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1507591334&sr=1-1&keywords=Cryorig+H7&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=8f029564e17ff763ebc0d01905a32bf4), a 120mm cooler that also happens to be the best in its class.

By the way, the change to the Samsung 850 Evo SSD won't affect the build in any way.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: dxpdrew on October 11, 2017, 06:53:42 PM
Greetings everyone,

I recently decided to finally build a gaming PC! I received a case and ssd as a birthday present so I have a few questions about replacing and changing a few parts of the 1500$ PC build. Is it fine that I changed the SSD and case? Will the fan and everything else fit in the case? And most importantly will it run fine? Thanks for the help! I have the changes bold to avoid confusion. Thanks again!

CPU:Intel Core i7-7700K
MOTHERBOARD:Gigabyte GA-Z270XP-SLI
VIDEO CARD:MSI GeForce GTX 1070 Armor 8G
MEMORY:Corsair 2x8GB Vengeance LPX DDR4-3000 White
SSD:850 EVO Series Solid State Drive, 500GB
HARD DRIVE: Seagate Barracuda 2TB
CASE:S340 Elite ATX Mid Tower Case, Matte Black
POWER SUPPLY: Seasonic SSR-550FX
CPU COOLER: Cryorig H5 Ultimate

Welcome to the TBG Forum, dxpdrew!

The NZXT S340 Elite (https://www.amazon.com/S340VR-Elite-Computer-Matte-CA-S340W-B3/dp/B01LZQMXJT/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1507591353&sr=1-1&keywords=NZXT+S340+Elite&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=bcf694185bdcf7379f337ffc8c072f4e) case is a very popular case due to its unique style, but it doesn't offer particularly good performance, and it's so small that it cannot fit 140mm tower coolers like the Cryorig H5 Ultimate (https://www.amazon.com/Cryorig-Ultimate-CR-H5B-Middle-Heatsink/dp/B0154AXB4C/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1507591501&sr=1-1&keywords=Cryorig+H5+Ultimate&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=33d7fb3a1f7a985cbeb587112c21eac7). A case with similar style but much higher performance and interior space for the same price is the Phanteks Enthoo Pro Tempered Glass (https://www.amazon.com/Phanteks-PH-ES515PTG_BK-Tempered-Brushed-Plastic/dp/B01LRVHH6K/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&qid=1507591099&sr=8-1&keywords=enthoo+pro+m+tempered+glass&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=039ad6ac5d320b2bbbfe1d9c81137fbe). For a big aesthetic upgrade, also consider the brand-new RGB-lit Enthoo Pro M SE (https://www.amazon.com/Phanteks-PH-ES515PTG_SWT-Integrated-lighting-Tempered/dp/B074Q5MFX5/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&qid=1507591099&sr=8-2&keywords=enthoo+pro+m+tempered+glass&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=187669448aea6c0a3c87baf18ce298f0).

If you're set on the S340, you'll need to drop down to the Cryorig H7 (https://www.amazon.com/CRYORIG-Tower-Cooler-Intel-CPUs/dp/B00S7YA5FQ/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1507591334&sr=1-1&keywords=Cryorig+H7&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=8f029564e17ff763ebc0d01905a32bf4), a 120mm cooler that also happens to be the best in its class.

By the way, the change to the Samsung 850 Evo SSD won't affect the build in any way.

Hey so I decided to change to the  Phanteks Enthoo Pro Tempered Glass Case instead thanks to your advice! Would I stay with the h7 or h5 fan? And would everything else just stay the same? Thanks once again !
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on October 11, 2017, 07:38:21 PM
Greetings everyone,

I recently decided to finally build a gaming PC! I received a case and ssd as a birthday present so I have a few questions about replacing and changing a few parts of the 1500$ PC build. Is it fine that I changed the SSD and case? Will the fan and everything else fit in the case? And most importantly will it run fine? Thanks for the help! I have the changes bold to avoid confusion. Thanks again!

CPU:Intel Core i7-7700K
MOTHERBOARD:Gigabyte GA-Z270XP-SLI
VIDEO CARD:MSI GeForce GTX 1070 Armor 8G
MEMORY:Corsair 2x8GB Vengeance LPX DDR4-3000 White
SSD:850 EVO Series Solid State Drive, 500GB
HARD DRIVE: Seagate Barracuda 2TB
CASE:S340 Elite ATX Mid Tower Case, Matte Black
POWER SUPPLY: Seasonic SSR-550FX
CPU COOLER: Cryorig H5 Ultimate

Welcome to the TBG Forum, dxpdrew!

The NZXT S340 Elite (https://www.amazon.com/S340VR-Elite-Computer-Matte-CA-S340W-B3/dp/B01LZQMXJT/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1507591353&sr=1-1&keywords=NZXT+S340+Elite&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=bcf694185bdcf7379f337ffc8c072f4e) case is a very popular case due to its unique style, but it doesn't offer particularly good performance, and it's so small that it cannot fit 140mm tower coolers like the Cryorig H5 Ultimate (https://www.amazon.com/Cryorig-Ultimate-CR-H5B-Middle-Heatsink/dp/B0154AXB4C/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1507591501&sr=1-1&keywords=Cryorig+H5+Ultimate&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=33d7fb3a1f7a985cbeb587112c21eac7). A case with similar style but much higher performance and interior space for the same price is the Phanteks Enthoo Pro Tempered Glass (https://www.amazon.com/Phanteks-PH-ES515PTG_BK-Tempered-Brushed-Plastic/dp/B01LRVHH6K/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&qid=1507591099&sr=8-1&keywords=enthoo+pro+m+tempered+glass&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=039ad6ac5d320b2bbbfe1d9c81137fbe). For a big aesthetic upgrade, also consider the brand-new RGB-lit Enthoo Pro M SE (https://www.amazon.com/Phanteks-PH-ES515PTG_SWT-Integrated-lighting-Tempered/dp/B074Q5MFX5/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&qid=1507591099&sr=8-2&keywords=enthoo+pro+m+tempered+glass&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=187669448aea6c0a3c87baf18ce298f0).

If you're set on the S340, you'll need to drop down to the Cryorig H7 (https://www.amazon.com/CRYORIG-Tower-Cooler-Intel-CPUs/dp/B00S7YA5FQ/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1507591334&sr=1-1&keywords=Cryorig+H7&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=8f029564e17ff763ebc0d01905a32bf4), a 120mm cooler that also happens to be the best in its class.

By the way, the change to the Samsung 850 Evo SSD won't affect the build in any way.

Hey so I decided to change to the  Phanteks Enthoo Pro Tempered Glass Case instead thanks to your advice! Would I stay with the h7 or h5 fan? And would everything else just stay the same? Thanks once again !

Good choice! Phanteks is really leading the pack in terms of quality and design. You can definitely stick with the Cryorig H5 Ultimate (https://www.amazon.com/Cryorig-Ultimate-CR-H5B-Middle-Heatsink/dp/B0154AXB4C/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1507775789&sr=1-1&keywords=h5+ultimate&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=d1ffb82633b3ceb076e3631bebc8340d) for this case. Everything else would be the same.

One critical note: due to RAM prices that are spiraling out of control, Corsair's DDR4-3200 (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01EI5ZRQY/ref=as_li_ss_tl?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=78a276b2b8ec274d32cf1861cca1a47e) is now cheaper than DDR4-3000, although that probably won't last long. I expect prices to increase 5% per week for the rest of the year.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: dxpdrew on October 11, 2017, 10:52:22 PM
Greetings everyone,

I recently decided to finally build a gaming PC! I received a case and ssd as a birthday present so I have a few questions about replacing and changing a few parts of the 1500$ PC build. Is it fine that I changed the SSD and case? Will the fan and everything else fit in the case? And most importantly will it run fine? Thanks for the help! I have the changes bold to avoid confusion. Thanks again!

CPU:Intel Core i7-7700K
MOTHERBOARD:Gigabyte GA-Z270XP-SLI
VIDEO CARD:MSI GeForce GTX 1070 Armor 8G
MEMORY:Corsair 2x8GB Vengeance LPX DDR4-3000 White
SSD:850 EVO Series Solid State Drive, 500GB
HARD DRIVE: Seagate Barracuda 2TB
CASE:S340 Elite ATX Mid Tower Case, Matte Black
POWER SUPPLY: Seasonic SSR-550FX
CPU COOLER: Cryorig H5 Ultimate

Welcome to the TBG Forum, dxpdrew!

The NZXT S340 Elite (https://www.amazon.com/S340VR-Elite-Computer-Matte-CA-S340W-B3/dp/B01LZQMXJT/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1507591353&sr=1-1&keywords=NZXT+S340+Elite&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=bcf694185bdcf7379f337ffc8c072f4e) case is a very popular case due to its unique style, but it doesn't offer particularly good performance, and it's so small that it cannot fit 140mm tower coolers like the Cryorig H5 Ultimate (https://www.amazon.com/Cryorig-Ultimate-CR-H5B-Middle-Heatsink/dp/B0154AXB4C/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1507591501&sr=1-1&keywords=Cryorig+H5+Ultimate&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=33d7fb3a1f7a985cbeb587112c21eac7). A case with similar style but much higher performance and interior space for the same price is the Phanteks Enthoo Pro Tempered Glass (https://www.amazon.com/Phanteks-PH-ES515PTG_BK-Tempered-Brushed-Plastic/dp/B01LRVHH6K/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&qid=1507591099&sr=8-1&keywords=enthoo+pro+m+tempered+glass&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=039ad6ac5d320b2bbbfe1d9c81137fbe). For a big aesthetic upgrade, also consider the brand-new RGB-lit Enthoo Pro M SE (https://www.amazon.com/Phanteks-PH-ES515PTG_SWT-Integrated-lighting-Tempered/dp/B074Q5MFX5/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&qid=1507591099&sr=8-2&keywords=enthoo+pro+m+tempered+glass&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=187669448aea6c0a3c87baf18ce298f0).

If you're set on the S340, you'll need to drop down to the Cryorig H7 (https://www.amazon.com/CRYORIG-Tower-Cooler-Intel-CPUs/dp/B00S7YA5FQ/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1507591334&sr=1-1&keywords=Cryorig+H7&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=8f029564e17ff763ebc0d01905a32bf4), a 120mm cooler that also happens to be the best in its class.

By the way, the change to the Samsung 850 Evo SSD won't affect the build in any way.

Hey so I decided to change to the  Phanteks Enthoo Pro Tempered Glass Case instead thanks to your advice! Would I stay with the h7 or h5 fan? And would everything else just stay the same? Thanks once again !

Good choice! Phanteks is really leading the pack in terms of quality and design. You can definitely stick with the Cryorig H5 Ultimate (https://www.amazon.com/Cryorig-Ultimate-CR-H5B-Middle-Heatsink/dp/B0154AXB4C/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1507775789&sr=1-1&keywords=h5+ultimate&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=d1ffb82633b3ceb076e3631bebc8340d) for this case. Everything else would be the same.

One critical note: due to RAM prices that are spiraling out of control, Corsair's DDR4-3200 (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01EI5ZRQY/ref=as_li_ss_tl?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=78a276b2b8ec274d32cf1861cca1a47e) is now cheaper than DDR4-3000, although that probably won't last long. I expect prices to increase 5% per week for the rest of the year.

Thanks for the heads up! I'll be sure to grab that since its cheaper! One more question if you don't mind! Instead of the MSI GeForce GTX 1070 ARMOR 8G OC would the ASUS GeForce GTX 1070 8GB ROG STRIX OC work with this build? My friend said it's a better card and the difference is around 30$. Also I was looking to add additional fans would you recommend the ARCTIC F12 PWM Rev.2  or another one? Thanks for the speedy replies.
Cheers!!
Title: Re: The TBG $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on October 12, 2017, 07:45:08 AM

Thanks for the heads up! I'll be sure to grab that since its cheaper! One more question if you don't mind! Instead of the MSI GeForce GTX 1070 ARMOR 8G OC would the ASUS GeForce GTX 1070 8GB ROG STRIX OC work with this build? My friend said it's a better card and the difference is around 30$. Also I was looking to add additional fans would you recommend the ARCTIC F12 PWM Rev.2  or another one? Thanks for the speedy replies.
Cheers!!

In terms of the case fans, you should take advantage of the larger size of the Phanteks case by going with quieter 140mm fans. I recommend the Phanteks 140mm fan (https://www.amazon.com/Phanteks-Pressure-Radiator-Cooling-PH-F140MP_BK_PWM/dp/B00OP2PUDQ/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&qid=1507818931&sr=8-1&keywords=phanteks+140mm+fan&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=0f844801bb07ac04abdf8ec0026394ea), which are the same fans included with the case.

Now, when it comes to video cards, yes, there's always a "better" model. But paying an extra 10% or so for a better model doesn't make a lot of sense in my opinion, because for the GTX 1070, all that translates to is slightly quieter operation. It will not run faster, as the GTX 1070 is definitely not temperature limited, it's power limited. The MSI GTX 1070 Armor (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01GXOX2BU/ref=as_li_ss_tl?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=5b5d63e95567052afffe828801795c7d) at $400 will overclock just as well as the Asus GTX 1070 Strix (https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-GeForce-STRIX-Graphic-STRIX-GTX1070-8G-GAMING/dp/B01HEQYQHA/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1507819285&sr=1-3&keywords=asus+gtx+1070+strix&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=909b23a56be005c3dca8a7b312bf172a) at $450.

If you're going to spend more on a video card, the thing to do is get a Gigabyte GTX 1080 WindForce (https://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-GeForce-Windforce-GV-N1080WF3OC-8GD-Graphics/dp/B01IR6LMLO/ref=as_li_ss_tl?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1507819352&sr=1-1&keywords=gtx+1080+8gb+windforce&linkCode=ll1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=45da70a99687d7ba38a3de157632c169) at $530, which is 25% faster, rather than 0% faster. The premium GTX 1070 models are simply overpriced at this point.