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Re: The TBG $1,250 Quiet Gaming PC Build
« Reply #30 on: March 18, 2017, 05:07:13 PM »
Thank you for the quick response.

The guide you provided I did miss. Thank you for providing it. That clears up 90% of the confusion. As for the memory issue i will elaborate. I play a game called "Tera Rising" and with the game optimized through Gefore Experience it keeps giving me a message in game "Texture resolution has been reduced due to low memory". This is the only reason I was thinking about upgrading to more memory.

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« Reply #31 on: March 18, 2017, 05:30:24 PM »
Thank you for the quick response.

The guide you provided I did miss. Thank you for providing it. That clears up 90% of the confusion. As for the memory issue i will elaborate. I play a game called "Tera Rising" and with the game optimized through Gefore Experience it keeps giving me a message in game "Texture resolution has been reduced due to low memory". This is the only reason I was thinking about upgrading to more memory.

Glad to hear that the step-by-step guide was helpful!

As for your game, I'm betting that GeForce Experience is simply outputting an error regarding the amount of video RAM, not system RAM, that you have available. The requirements database for Tera, which was released in 2011, likely does not correctly assess the capabilities of your GTX 1070 8GB video card, which is much more powerful than any card that existed in 2011. I would recommend you manually set all settings to the highest they will go, as your system can max out that game without any issue.

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« Reply #32 on: March 18, 2017, 06:38:46 PM »
As far as In-game I still get the message but manually adjusting the settings to max with no auto optimization helped stabilize my FPS. Thank you for that advice....BUT

I am still having issues with that fan header hub extension that came with the case. I connect all fans (intake and exhaust) to that hub then take the Molex Cable and attach the 3 pin to the hub header  and the 4 pin to the motherboard and no fans turn on. I keep the 'CPU fan' to the 'CPU fan header' Any ideas why the molex is not powering the case fans?

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« Reply #33 on: March 18, 2017, 08:52:39 PM »
As far as In-game I still get the message but manually adjusting the settings to max with no auto optimization helped stabilize my FPS. Thank you for that advice....BUT

I am still having issues with that fan header hub extension that came with the case. I connect all fans (intake and exhaust) to that hub then take the Molex Cable and attach the 3 pin to the hub header  and the 4 pin to the motherboard and no fans turn on. I keep the 'CPU fan' to the 'CPU fan header' Any ideas why the molex is not powering the case fans?

You aren't setting that fan hub correctly. You can only power that hub directly from the power supply, so you need to connect the 4-pin molex connector to a molex power cable from the power supply. You cannot connect it to the motherboard. I'm actually not sure which "4 pin" you are referring to, as there is no 4-pin that can connect to the motherboard on that hub.


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« Reply #34 on: March 19, 2017, 12:02:14 PM »
http://imgur.com/CTmDKQ1

http://imgur.com/xt1TPjs

Both of these connectors fit together. Are these the connectors that are used to connect that hub to the Power Supply?

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« Reply #35 on: March 19, 2017, 01:41:29 PM »
http://imgur.com/CTmDKQ1

http://imgur.com/xt1TPjs

Both of these connectors fit together. Are these the connectors that are used to connect that hub to the Power Supply?

OK, now I understand your issue. This is NOT the right connector:  http://imgur.com/xt1TPjs

That is not designed to attach to the motherboard - in fact, I believe you pulled that from your power supply box, and it's actually a Berg connector, something totally different and not for use with this system. Please put it back in the box - it could cause damage if you connect it to your motherboard!

Your fan hub should look like this:



The Molex connector needs to be connected to the power supply using a modular peripherals power cable. There are no connections to the motherboard.

To understand why I do not recommend the use of this fan hub at all, you may want to read TBG's full review of the RL06.
« Last Edit: March 19, 2017, 01:46:40 PM by Ari Altman »

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« Reply #36 on: March 19, 2017, 02:06:09 PM »
AWESOME!!! I got the Intake fans working through the hub. One final question, Should I connect the exhaust fan to the hub or motherboard? Does that even matter?

P.S. Thank you for the awesome build and the help to get it running right. TBG #1
« Last Edit: March 19, 2017, 02:19:41 PM by Ginger »

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« Reply #37 on: March 19, 2017, 02:28:08 PM »
AWESOME!!! I got the Intake fans working through the hub. One final question, Should I connect the exhaust fan to the hub or motherboard? Does that even matter?

P.S. Thank you for the awesome build and the help to get it running right. TBG #1

Glad you got it working!

Yes, you can attach the rear fan to the hub, but note that by attaching it to the motherboard, you retain automated control over its speed.

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« Reply #38 on: March 21, 2017, 04:46:39 PM »
I have noticed the LED Lights are brighter when connected to the fan hub but dim when connected to the motherboard. Is this normal?

Other than noise with the RL06 case fans due to the lack of fan control from the motherboard am I going to run into cooling issues or any other technical issues if I use the case mounted hub header extension for all fans but CPU and Overclock?

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« Reply #39 on: March 21, 2017, 04:57:19 PM »
I have noticed the LED Lights are brighter when connected to the fan hub but dim when connected to the motherboard. Is this normal?

Other than noise with the RL06 case fans due to the lack of fan control from the motherboard am I going to run into cooling issues or any other technical issues if I use the case mounted hub header extension for all fans but CPU and Overclock?

It all has to do with the voltage being supplied. When connected to the fan hub, the fans are running at full speed, and the lights are being supplied maximum voltage. When connected to the motherboard, fan controls are in effect, which means the power being supplied is proportional to the temperature. This lowers the fan speed and dims the lights at lower speeds. You can override this by setting the fans to maximum RPM in the UEFI BIOS, although if that's really want you want, you might as well use the hub. You certainly won't run into cooling issues using the hub, as the fans will be at maximum. In fact, it's probably safer to use the hub as you're getting your overclock dialed in, as you'll know your case fans are providing as much airflow as possible.

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« Reply #40 on: March 21, 2017, 07:52:50 PM »
Speaking of OC, I followed that guide and set all parameters to the specified amount for the test build. I am not sure if this build can achieve the overclock in the guide or if I did something wrong but when I booted with the parameters it failed and I had a hard time resetting to be able to boot. The only parameter I noticed I could not change was the "Adjusting Ring Frequency" where in the guide it read at 4200MHz whereas mine read 3900mhz.

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« Reply #41 on: March 21, 2017, 08:30:56 PM »
Speaking of OC, I followed that guide and set all parameters to the specified amount for the test build. I am not sure if this build can achieve the overclock in the guide or if I did something wrong but when I booted with the parameters it failed and I had a hard time resetting to be able to boot. The only parameter I noticed I could not change was the "Adjusting Ring Frequency" where in the guide it read at 4200MHz whereas mine read 3900mhz.

You're running a Core i5-7600K, whereas the 2017 High-End PC Assembly Guide used a Core i7-7700K. Typically, Core i5 processors cannot hit the same overclocks as Core i7 models. So what I'd recommend is that you set the core multiplier to 44x as a starting point. That's almost guaranteed to work without changing any other settings. And don't worry about the ring frequency - you actually can change that, but you shouldn't when conducting initial overclocking.

If 4.4GHz is stable for you after a few days of testing, you can try pushing up in 100MHz increments to 4.7GHz. I would not recommend you go any higher with the Arctic i32 cooler in your build.

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« Reply #42 on: June 09, 2017, 11:10:32 AM »
Hey folks, thanks for putting together this quiet gaming build, it looks really great!  I almost bought a pre-made silent PC before I found your guide.  But now I'm thinking I might be willing to put the parts together myself and save about $1k.

I'm in the market for a quiet PC.  My 6 year old PC is starting to show it's age, and I am really sick and tired of all the noise it makes.  I was hoping you would look at my use case and offer recommendations that might make your build better for me.

First of all, I'm a little more flexible on price than your guide.  I would have no problem going up to $1500, or maybe even $2000 if the upgrades were really worth it.  My needs are a little different than your target audience.  I'm really just doing office work with some lab experiments in VMs (VMware with 6 PCs, GNS3 with many router emulators), and some minor video and photo processing (Photoshop Elements, Visio, Handbrake).  I don't actually game at all.  I do need dual monitors though.   The vast majority of the time I am just VPNing (and using remote desktop) to work and doing office tasks.  So it would be great if the PC would be super quiet during that time.  I do want it to be pretty fast at those tasks and at booting up.  (I think a non-spinning drive would get me most of the way there though.)  I would be more tolerant of noise the few times I do something more intense, but of course, if it's an option, quite all the time would be nice.  But I do want the option to fire up an intense lab and hammer away at it without having to wait forever on slow VMs.  Also, my office is not ventilated well.  It can get really hot in here.  So I was hoping that a side effect of a quiet PC would be less heat (in the room) during times of regular office work.  I use MAC products everywhere except my home PC, so I'm a little disappointed that the case/mobo you recommend doesn't have usb C since Apple seems to be putting it on everything now.  Ideally, I would want one on the front panel, but I guess I could get a hub type device to give me that.  I have to say, I love the current choice of case (with the exception of no USB-C on front panel).  I have no interest in lights or windows, or any of that stuff.  I just want a nice looking box, which you have found.

I would probably double the ram of the guide, and do a 1TB drive.  Can you think of any other changes that might be good for my situation? 

When will you publish the July version?
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« Reply #43 on: June 09, 2017, 12:37:59 PM »
Hey folks, thanks for putting together this quiet gaming build, it looks really great!  I almost bought a pre-made silent PC before I found your guide.  But now I'm thinking I might be willing to put the parts together myself and save about $1k.

I'm in the market for a quiet PC.  My 6 year old PC is starting to show it's age, and I am really sick and tired of all the noise it makes.  I was hoping you would look at my use case and offer recommendations that might make your build better for me.

First of all, I'm a little more flexible on price than your guide.  I would have no problem going up to $1500, or maybe even $2000 if the upgrades were really worth it.  My needs are a little different than your target audience.  I'm really just doing office work with some lab experiments in VMs (VMware with 6 PCs, GNS3 with many router emulators), and some minor video and photo processing (Photoshop Elements, Visio, Handbrake).  I don't actually game at all.  I do need dual monitors though.   The vast majority of the time I am just VPNing (and using remote desktop) to work and doing office tasks.  So it would be great if the PC would be super quiet during that time.  I do want it to be pretty fast at those tasks and at booting up.  (I think a non-spinning drive would get me most of the way there though.)  I would be more tolerant of noise the few times I do something more intense, but of course, if it's an option, quite all the time would be nice.  But I do want the option to fire up an intense lab and hammer away at it without having to wait forever on slow VMs.  Also, my office is not ventilated well.  It can get really hot in here.  So I was hoping that a side effect of a quiet PC would be less heat (in the room) during times of regular office work.  I use MAC products everywhere except my home PC, so I'm a little disappointed that the case/mobo you recommend doesn't have usb C since Apple seems to be putting it on everything now.  Ideally, I would want one on the front panel, but I guess I could get a hub type device to give me that.  I have to say, I love the current choice of case (with the exception of no USB-C on front panel).  I have no interest in lights or windows, or any of that stuff.  I just want a nice looking box, which you have found.

I would probably double the ram of the guide, and do a 1TB drive.  Can you think of any other changes that might be good for my situation? 

When will you publish the July version?

You'll definitely be able to achieve your goals without spending too much money, certainly less than $2,000. Given that you use heavily-threaded apps like Handbrake and that you're not a gamer, the AMD Ryzen processor in the current Quiet Build is the way to go for sure. We might even bump it up a notch to the eight-core version. Let's see what we can come up with here:

(1) Case: SilverStone RL05 - Why? Simple - it's got a front-mounted USB Type-C, of course! Honestly, that's such a rare feature in the PC world that you'd have to spend four times as much to get it on any other case. Furthermore, its 140mm front-mounted case fans are very quiet for the cooling potential they provide. Yes, it does have lights and windows, which you may not like, so you can stick with the Phanteks case in the guide, but it seems you really want that USB Type-C.

(2) Power Supply: EVGA Supernova G2 - by far the quietest, highest-quality PSU in its price class. It's actually even a bit quieter than the newer G3 due to its larger fan.

(3) Motherboard: MSI B350 Gaming Pro Carbon - I chose this board for two specific reasons. First, it has the dual USB 3.0 headers required to support the two types of USB 3.0 ports on the front of the case, and second, it has a rear-mounted USB 3.1 Type-C connector as well.

(4) SSD: Crucial MX300 1TB M.2 - Given that you want more space, this is the only viable option in its price range.

(5) Cooler: Noctua NH-U12S AM4 - there is no quieter cooler.

(6) RAM: Corsair 2x16GB DDR4-2666 - since you want to go beyond 16GB, you really need to jump right up to dual 16GB sticks. Running four sticks on Ryzen can lead to slower speeds. I have reviewed the MSI Memory Support List to ensure this exact kit is on the list.

(7) OS: Windows 10 Flash Drive - you haven't mentioned if you need an optical drive, but I'm assuming you won't be installing one. The Phanteks case can't even fit one, and while the SilverStone case can, DVD drives are annoying loud.

(8 ) Video Card: XFX Radeon RX 460 2GB Fanless - you want quiet, you've got it! Given that Ryzen does not have built-in graphics, you'll need some type of video card, and this one is silent while also providing plenty of dual-monitor options along with acceleration of some data-processing tasks.

(9) CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 1700 - this is where things get really fun. This CPU is enormously powerful, and after a recent price cut, it's just $300. It's perfect for your applications.

All told, you're looking at $1,400 for an ultra-quiet, ultra-powerful system that will work perfectly for your needs. If you decide this is more than you'd like to spend, you can knock $150 off the price going with the six-core Ryzen 5 1600 in the Quiet PC Guide, and just using its included stock cooler rather than the Noctua. It's more than decent.

By the way, the July guide will appear in late June, most likely, but I don't think it will have anything uniquely-applicable to your requirements.

P.S. Don't forget to enter the prize drawing TBG is currently running right here!
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« Reply #44 on: June 09, 2017, 02:38:26 PM »
Ari, Thanks so much for all the help.  I really appreciate all your expertise and the time you are saving me!

On the case, which do you think is quieter?  Silverstone or Phantek?  Is this Silverstone a good alternative for the red one you linked to? https://www.amazon.com/SilverStone-Technology-Gaming-Computer-Case/dp/B01K49W7L6/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&qid=1492705810&sr=8-1&keywords=silverstone%2Brl05&linkCode=sl1&tag=thtebusgu-20&linkId=70901755e792cd953b541384a5d039aa&th=1 (RL05BB-W)

I have a copy of Win7 pro that I was thinking about using.  I'm using win 10 now, and I'm not sure there's any features I realy love on it.  So I was thinking about saving a few bucks.

What's your opinion of the 1700x cpu?  It is $50 more, which would be ok with me.  But I'm thinking (without knowing anything about it's performance) that since it's not that much more expensive and it is available without a fan bundled with it, that it might be a worthy upgrade.

Also, what is your opinion on the sound dampening foam, like the Silverstone SF02?  I've used stuff like that in the past, and it didn't seem to make much of a difference.

and Finally, are all the links you provided affiliate links for you?  Cause if there's any way you can benefit when I buy this stuff, I definitely want to make sure that happens.  Do I just click on one, add it to my cart, hit the back button, click the next one, add it to my cart, and so on?