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So liquid cooled is categorically better? I noticed the corsair has room to mount fans on the top (or in my case on the side). How do modern get their liquid tubed to look so perfect in the case?

But yeah mainly I was asking which is the best of the bunch... 2 seahawks? What would be the pros/cons vs the strix or evga?

Liquid cooled will run cooler, period. Is that better? In the sense that GPUs will run at their maximum possible clock rates, yes it is. All else being equal (i.e., overclocking luck of the draw), liquid-cooled Pascal GPUs will run around two bins higher than any other GPU, translating to around 25MHz. That simply due to temperature thresholds built into the GPU's logic. It must be below 60C to run at full speed, and no air-cooled 1080 Ti can run that cool.

But liquid-cooled video cards are much louder than a good air cooler, and are a pain to install. You have thick coolant tubes that you need to route through your case, and you have two parts to install, rather than one, both of which are heavy and will want to drop on your motherboard while you're working on them.

If you're not experienced with liquid cooling, I'd recommend you get air-cooled models, especially for an HTPC.
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The Premium/Extreme Gaming PC Builds / Re: TBG's Supreme Dream Machine PC Build
« Last post by TekHed on April 26, 2017, 11:40:47 PM »
This reviewer says not to turn it on its side...are his fears overblown? I'd put fans into the top (right side on its side) to further suck air out along with the rear exhaust, so it should get a ton of movement preventing heat buildup.

I don't quite understand why but both you and he say liquid cooling is going to be more difficult to mount?
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The Premium/Extreme Gaming PC Builds / Re: TBG's Supreme Dream Machine PC Build
« Last post by TekHed on April 26, 2017, 10:18:01 PM »
So liquid cooled is categorically better? I noticed the corsair has room to mount fans on the top (or in my case on the side). How do modern get their liquid tubed to look so perfect in the case?

But yeah mainly I was asking which is the best of the bunch... 2 seahawks? What would be the pros/cons vs the strix or evga?
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The Premium/Extreme Gaming PC Builds / Re: TBG's Supreme Dream Machine PC Build
« Last post by Ari Altman on April 26, 2017, 10:13:49 PM »
12 and 16 cores!!!!???!!! Holy crap.

Edit: According to this it won't be geared for gaming:

http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/amd-ryzen-16-core/

In any case, yes I'll keep checking back (and saving more money as I go) until August.

With regards to cooling, you mentioned this model coming soon:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814137126

How would that compare in theory to something like the Asus  Strix:

https://rog.asus.com/articles/gaming-graphics-cards/the-rog-strix-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-takes-pascal-to-the-limit/

The strix also is a lot bigger...will two fit on the Dream machine motherboard in the Corsair 540 case we decided on?

You'll have no trouble mounting two Asus GTX 1080 Ti Strix models in the Corsair Carbide 540, although you might also consider the EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti FTW3. The Sea Hawk will be even better, although mounting them will take more work.
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The Premium/Extreme Gaming PC Builds / Re: TBG's Supreme Dream Machine PC Build
« Last post by Ari Altman on April 26, 2017, 10:11:37 PM »
12 and 16 cores!!!!???!!! Holy crap.

Edit: According to this it won't be geared for gaming:

http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/amd-ryzen-16-core/

In any case, yes I'll keep checking back (and saving more money as I go) until August.

With regards to cooling, you mentioned this model coming soon:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814137126

How would that compare in theory to something like the Asus  Strix:

https://rog.asus.com/articles/gaming-graphics-cards/the-rog-strix-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-takes-pascal-to-the-limit/

The strix also is a lot bigger...will two fit on the Dream machine motherboard in the Corsair 540 case we decided on?

You'll have no trouble mounting two Asus GTX 1080 Ti Strix models in the Corsair Carbide 540, although you might also consider the EVGA GeForce GTX 1
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The Premium/Extreme Gaming PC Builds / Re: TBG's Supreme Dream Machine PC Build
« Last post by TekHed on April 26, 2017, 07:57:42 PM »
12 and 16 cores!!!!???!!! Holy crap.

Edit: According to this it won't be geared for gaming:

http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/amd-ryzen-16-core/

In any case, yes I'll keep checking back (and saving more money as I go) until August.

With regards to cooling, you mentioned this model coming soon:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814137126

How would that compare in theory to something like the Asus  Strix:

https://rog.asus.com/articles/gaming-graphics-cards/the-rog-strix-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-takes-pascal-to-the-limit/

The strix also is a lot bigger...will two fit on the Dream machine motherboard in the Corsair 540 case we decided on?
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The Premium/Extreme Gaming PC Builds / Re: TBG's Supreme Dream Machine PC Build
« Last post by Ari Altman on April 26, 2017, 06:48:53 PM »
Hard to say exactly what will be here by August. Rumor has it that Intel's running scared at the Ryzen assault at the low-end and mid-range, which means Intel might do the sensible thing and release a six-core CPU on a mainstream platform. There are also rumors of an Intel 12-core CPU to combat AMD's pending 16-core CPU release.

In any event, if you're not buying anything until August, you can just check back then and see what's current! And yes, you should get liquid-cooled GTX 1080 Ti cards if they exist, which they probably will by August. They do not today.
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The Premium/Extreme Gaming PC Builds / Re: TBG's Supreme Dream Machine PC Build
« Last post by TekHed on April 26, 2017, 03:20:46 PM »
So the B7 is finally out!

Going to do the responsible thing and get my car checked out and tuned up before I start splurging on any new toys, but then I'll be off to the races with HDR gaming on a shiny new PS4 pro and the best 65" flatscreen on the market!

Horizon Zero Dawn and Uncharted 4 should tide me over until August which is when I'm planning to build the Dream Machine as a birthday present to myself. Do you forsee any changes to this build either before then, or soon enough after to be worth waiting any longer?

On a related note, I found this site that offers magnetic dust filters that can go on the outside of my case over the PSU intake to prevent floor dust from getting sucked up:

http://www.demcifilter.com/Mobi/

Bump for the above question, and to clarify that I was referring to any possible upgrades over the current champion Motherboard and CPU. On a related tangent, this is a few years off from being relevant (getting into the terabyte range), but wow:

https://www.geek.com/tech-science-3/intels-about-to-shakeup-computing-again-1697197/

Also, I was wondering if you had any advice on which is the best custom cooled version of the 1080 TI...the Asus Strix? Or would the liquid cooled Seahawk version outperform it? Or even better...do you foresee there being custom cooled versions of the TitanXp any time soon?

I saw in a video how large it is...do you think two of them will fit into the Corsair 540?


Thanks again for indulging me...the research is really going to ramp up for the next few months as I prepare to buy and build this beast. :)
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Cases, Power Supplies, and Cooling / Re: $2500 extreme 4k build altered
« Last post by taylormadezz on April 26, 2017, 09:01:18 AM »
Thank you that helps a lot!
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Cases, Power Supplies, and Cooling / Re: $2500 extreme 4k build altered
« Last post by Ari Altman on April 26, 2017, 08:06:52 AM »
So if i wanted to run all of the fans from the mother board where would i connect them all on the asus z270e? Also the fan in the back of the case connects to the cha_fan right?

The Asus Z270E actually has a lot of fan headers: six! That's very uncommon in its price range. But as with most modern motherboard, the Z270E is marketed to appeal to users of liquid cooling, so some of these fan headers are given "special" names. Here they are:

1 x CPU Fan connector(s)
1 x CPU OPT Fan connector(s)
2 x Chassis Fan connector(s)
1 x High AMP Fan header (4-pin)
1 x AIO PUMP Header

In past generations, these would simply be labeled as CPU_Fan and CHA_FAN 1 through 5, but now even the names are "tricked out"! The good news is you can use any of these for your case fans. If you have a liquid cooler, go ahead and use the AIO header for the pump power lead (the big difference with this header is that it can't be set to zero RPM, which is important for pump use). You can use CPU OPT for the rear fan, and the Chassis Fan and High AMP Fan headers for the front fans.
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