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Title: The TBG $1,250 Quiet Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on August 08, 2014, 03:13:49 PM
Feel free to discuss TBG's $1,250 Quiet Gaming PC Build in this thread.

You can find the original article here (http://www.techbuyersguru.com/quietgamer.php).
Title: Re: The TBG $1,250 Quiet Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on September 09, 2014, 02:55:02 PM
One of our readers recently built up a gaming based on the $1,250 builder's guide and had some trouble upon first booting the PC. Luckily, we were able to walk him through it and thought we'd share our key trouble-shooting tips in this thread.

Here's the e-mail from our reader describing the problem:

"I assembled the machine today...  Unfortunately, it wasn't able
to start up.  It sounds like it is trying to start, then stops.  Does this
over and over.  The only fan that turns on is the cpu fan, all others do
not turn on.... Any suggestions would be appreciated."


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This was our response:

"Here are the very first trouble-shooting steps you should take:
(1) uninstall the video card and hook your monitor into the motherboard's
video output jack (HDMI, most likely, but it depends on your monitor).
(2) remove all but one of the memory sticks. The one remaining memory
stick should be in the second slot away from the CPU. I suggest pulling it
out and reinserting it just to make sure it locks in on both sides.
(3) unplug and reinsert all motherboard power cables.

Once you've done this, try restarting the computer, and let me know what
happens."


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Turns out that did the trick, and allowed our reader to get the system to boot:

"we have our computer up and running with all components installed.  You
have been a tremendous help!  Thanks so much!"
Title: Re: The TBG $1,250 Quiet Gaming PC Build
Post by: wylie102 on August 30, 2016, 03:15:38 PM
I just went to the amazon UK site for the hard drive featured here and there's an option to get M.2 instead of sata so I clicked it out of curiosity thinking the price would be outrageous and it's 252, which is less than the SATA version!

Can this be right? Is there some kind of catch?

Here's the link: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0195B30KG/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1634&creative=6738&creativeASIN=B0195B30KG&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu-21
Title: Re: The TBG $1,250 Quiet Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on August 30, 2016, 04:29:51 PM
I just went to the amazon UK site for the hard drive featured here and there's an option to get M.2 instead of sata so I clicked it out of curiosity thinking the price would be outrageous and it's 252, which is less than the SATA version!

Can this be right? Is there some kind of catch?

Here's the link: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0195B30KG/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1634&creative=6738&creativeASIN=B0195B30KG&linkCode=as2&tag=thtebusgu-21

No catch at all - it actually looks like the difference is due to the third-party retailers selling the drives. Unfortunately, Amazon doesn't seem to have either in stock, but when it does, the M.2 model is about 3% more expensive.

Remember, these are both SATA-based drives, so they will perform identically. It's only when you get into PCIe-based M.2 drives that speeds increase dramatically. That being said, an M.2 drive has other advantages even if the speed is the same, namely elegance and simplicity in terms of installation. These drives require no cables and essentially take up no space in your system.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,250 Quiet Gaming PC Build
Post by: TeeJay on October 27, 2016, 09:25:11 PM
I am hoping to put together one of these before the end of the year because I am sick of a noisy PC. Although I have build PCs before, it has been quite a while (a 486 was my last). I am thus out of date when it comes to assembling newer PCs. My problem is that an internal optical drive (DVD or Blu-Ray) is a necessity for me and I am willing to sacrifice a little noise. It is my understanding is that the Phanteks case has no access for one inside.

My question: Can I take the current build (and soon to be listed November build) and simply swap the Phanteks case for the previously recommended Nanoxia Deep Silence 3, which was last recommended in July) or will I have trouble with any of the changed components since July (Motherboard, Video Card, Memory & SSD) in the Nanoxia case? Also, is there a better option than the Nanoxia that supports at least one internal optical drive?
Title: Re: The TBG $1,250 Quiet Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on October 27, 2016, 09:44:04 PM
I am hoping to put together one of these before the end of the year because I am sick of a noisy PC. Although I have build PCs before, it has been quite a while (a 486 was my last). I am thus out of date when it comes to assembling newer PCs. My problem is that an internal optical drive (DVD or Blu-Ray) is a necessity for me and I am willing to sacrifice a little noise. It is my understanding is that the Phanteks case has no access for one inside.

My question: Can I take the current build (and soon to be listed November build) and simply swap the Phanteks case for the previously recommended Nanoxia Deep Silence 3, which was last recommended in July) or will I have trouble with any of the changed components since July (Motherboard, Video Card, Memory & SSD) in the Nanoxia case? Also, is there a better option than the Nanoxia that supports at least one internal optical drive?

Welcome to the TBG Forum, TeeJay!

You could go with the Nanoxia Deep Silence 3 (http://amzn.to/2eXAJCp), but it was dropped from the guide because it was unnecessarily large, due to space for a massive hard drive array that few people use anymore. If you need that space, then definitely feel free to go for the DS3. Otherwise, a nice, inexpensive option is the Corsair 100R Silent Edition (http://amzn.to/2fcU7QM) used in the $1,000 PC Buyer's Guide.

The most impressive case in this price range, however, is the Phanteks Enthoo Pro M (http://amzn.to/2dRqRcn). While it has a mesh front panel, which in theory lets through noise, the case uses ultra-quiet 140mm fans that move more air at lower RPMs than 120mm fans. It will be plenty quiet despite the lack of a solid front panel.

And wow, a 486? That was a while back! ;)
Title: Re: The TBG $1,250 Quiet Gaming PC Build
Post by: CalebD on December 28, 2016, 01:08:40 PM
Hello,

Love the site. Just one question:

What is the difference in the Zotax GTX 1060 GPU that you recommend with this build, and the Gigabyte GTX 1060 that you recommend on your GPU review page for this price point? They seem relatively similar, however the pricing is different. Would love any and all input.

Thanks,
Title: Re: The TBG $1,250 Quiet Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on December 28, 2016, 02:50:29 PM
Hello,

Love the site. Just one question:

What is the difference in the Zotax GTX 1060 GPU that you recommend with this build, and the Gigabyte GTX 1060 that you recommend on your GPU review page for this price point? They seem relatively similar, however the pricing is different. Would love any and all input.

Thanks,

Thanks for the positive feedback and for the great question. I view these two cards as being essentially equivalent. And while the prices fluctuate, they are typically within $10 of each other. Therefore, choose whichever you like the style of more or is cheaper when you're ready to buy.  They'll perform identically.

There are cheaper models that will run louder and hotter, and there are a couple of models that will run cooler,  but with the GTX 1060, the added expense of these models just doesn't make sense, as the GPU runs so cool anyway. The guides therefore focus on models at $275 and under.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,250 Quiet Gaming PC Build
Post by: Kistrup on January 15, 2017, 10:59:59 AM
Hi there, first of all let me thank for a fantastic site, which I have followed for more than a year.
Me and my son have bought the parts for this silent Pc. The graphics is the Zotac from October, and the motherboard is the Gigabyte from December. Now here's the issue: when we turn on the power, all the fan are running, power button lights up, the yellow light by internet cable shines, but there's no connection to the monitor and no light response from keyboard,mouse and headset!
Do You have any idea to what is wrong?

Kistrup
Title: Re: The TBG $1,250 Quiet Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on January 15, 2017, 11:07:42 AM
Hi there, first of all let me thank for a fantastic site, which I have followed for more than a year.
Me and my son have bought the parts for this silent Pc. The graphics is the Zotac from October, and the motherboard is the Gigabyte from December. Now here's the issue: when we turn on the power, all the fan are running, power button lights up, the yellow light by internet cable shines, but there's no connection to the monitor and no light response from keyboard,mouse and headset!
Do You have any idea to what is wrong?

Kistrup

Welcome to the TBG forum, Kistrup!

I'm glad to hear that you and your son have built  up the Silent Gaming PC, and I'm pretty sure we can get it running with a few troubleshooting steps.

First of all, this is absolutely the most common issue that TBG readers post on the forum about, and every time, we're able to find the solution. So do not worry - you are not the first to have this problem!

OK, so here are the steps you should take:

(1) Unplug the system
(2) remove the video card entirely from the PC, and plug the monitor cable (HDMI or DVI) directly into the motherboard's video output.
(3) remove all memory sticks, and insert just ONE stick back into the motherboard, using the second slot to the right of the CPU. Make sure to apply sufficient pressure on the stick to fully engage the lock. DDR4 RAM sticks are surprisingly hard to seat correctly.
(4) Remove the 24-pin motherboard power cable and the 8-pin CPU cable from the motherboard, and then re-insert them to make sure they are fully connected.

Now, plug your system back into the wall and attempt to boot it up.

Hopefully, you will now see an image on the screen indicating that you don't have an operating system, but that is fine. You'll just need to install your system from the Windows Flash Drive at this point by shutting off the system, plugging in the flash drive, and powering back on.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,250 Quiet Gaming PC Build
Post by: Kistrup on January 16, 2017, 11:02:29 AM
Hi again Ari, we've followed the steps You suggested, but to no avail. Do You have another trick up your sleeve?

Kistrup
Title: Re: The TBG $1,250 Quiet Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on January 16, 2017, 11:52:10 AM
Hi again Ari, we've followed the steps You suggested, but to no avail. Do You have another trick up your sleeve?

Kistrup

All right, at this point it's best if you confirm every component you're using in the system, as you mentioned you used parts from different editions of the guide. Also please list the monitor you're using as well as the type of cable (HDMI, DVI, or VGA).

I will say that the fact that the fans turn on but the keyboard and mouse lights do not suggests that this is not a monitor issue, but a failure to boot. That means the focus of trouble-shooting should be on the CPU, motherboard, RAM, and the power connections. These are the only parts that can cause a failure to boot when power is clearly on.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,250 Quiet Gaming PC Build
Post by: Kistrup on January 16, 2017, 12:06:03 PM
Ok here comes the list of components, we have put together:

Eclipse P400s
Gigabyte GA-Z170XP-SLI
EVGA 550 G2
Zotac GeForce GTX 1060 AMP
I5 6600K
Arctic Freezer i32
Crucial MX300 525 GB SSD
Corsair vengeance LPX DDR4 2x8 GB 3200 MHz
Monitor; Fujitsu LCD sl23t-1
HDMI cable (which functions with monitor on old pc)

That's it...
Title: Re: The TBG $1,250 Quiet Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on January 16, 2017, 12:39:24 PM
Ok here comes the list of components, we have put together:

Eclipse P400s
Gigabyte GA-Z170XP-SLI
EVGA 550 G2
Zotac GeForce GTX 1060 AMP
I5 6600K
Arctic Freezer i32
Crucial MX300 525 GB SSD
Corsair vengeance LPX DDR4 2x8 GB 3200 MHz
Monitor; Fujitsu LCD sl23t-1
HDMI cable (which functions with monitor on old pc)

That's it...

The RAM you've chosen runs at a higher frequency that what was recommended in the guide, and while in theory it should work (at least by defaulting to DDR4-2133), other TBG readers have had trouble running DDR4-3200 RAM in lower-priced Z170 motherboard. DDR4-2666 was always the recommendation for this build, up until the new Kaby Lake platform arrived this month, as it can handle higher-frequency RAM more easily.

But like I said, there may be a way around this. I'd like you to try booting up with just one RAM stick, trying each slot of the motherboard in order from first to last. If the system fails to boot using a particular slot, shut down and try the other stick of RAM before you move on to the next slot.

What we're going to hope for here is that the combination of at least one slot and at least one of your two sticks of RAM will allow the system to boot.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,250 Quiet Gaming PC Build
Post by: Kistrup on January 16, 2017, 01:30:21 PM
Nope, no reaction whatsoever. I can see that the 2133 MHz RAM is supported, but it should be able to run the 3200 in OC, doesn't the motherboard adjust the frequency down to 2133 as default?
Otherwise I will have buy a new set of RAM.

Kistrup
Title: Re: The TBG $1,250 Quiet Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on January 16, 2017, 02:18:30 PM
Nope, no reaction whatsoever. I can see that the 2133 MHz RAM is supported, but it should be able to run the 3200 in OC, doesn't the motherboard adjust the frequency down to 2133 as default?
Otherwise I will have buy a new set of RAM.

Kistrup

A few more questions before you buy new RAM:
(1) Are you completely sure that the 4+4-pin EPS power cable is properly inserted into the 8-pin power connector at the top edge of the motherboard?
(2) Did you experience any trouble installing the CPU? Damage to the socket, including bent pins, could cause the problem you are describing. You may want to remove the cooler and CPU to check for visible damage.

If you do decide to buy new RAM, you may want to try a single 4GB stick of DDR4-2133. I realize you want more RAM than that, but this will allow you to confirm whether the RAM is the problem at the least possible cost. The other potential issue, if there's no damage from installation, would be a defective motherboard.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,250 Quiet Gaming PC Build
Post by: Kistrup on January 17, 2017, 09:31:45 AM
I checked the 4+4 pipower cable, it was properly inserted in the motherboard, but both that cable and the 24 pin motherboard cable were a little loose in the PSU. I inserted them both again, but to no effect.
I don't think the CPU is problem, it was gently put in place in one smooth move and the lid clicked on and the black cower jumped off.
Was it left now, is to buy or borrow a memory stick ddr4 ram 2133 MHz, the try it, if it works and the pic boots, can I then re-insert the ones I bought?
Title: Re: The TBG $1,250 Quiet Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on January 17, 2017, 09:59:01 AM
I checked the 4+4 pipower cable, it was properly inserted in the motherboard, but both that cable and the 24 pin motherboard cable were a little loose in the PSU. I inserted them both again, but to no effect.
I don't think the CPU is problem, it was gently put in place in one smooth move and the lid clicked on and the black cower jumped off.
Was it left now, is to buy or borrow a memory stick ddr4 ram 2133 MHz, the try it, if it works and the pic boots, can I then re-insert the ones I bought?

OK, it seems like you've checked everything. Good idea to confirm the modular power cable connections.

Yes, at this point, you want to buy or borrow a single DDR4-2133 4GB RAM stick, which is the least expensive configuration you can find for this system (about $25). If it boots, you'd then want to input manual DDR4-2133 settings to try forcing the board to boot your 3200MHz sticks at 2133MHz. I am not convinced yet that this is the problem, so I don't want to promise that you'll be able to boot with the DDR4-2133 stick.

It could be the motherboard, as a TGB reader recently posted about right here: http://techbuyersguru.com/forum/index.php?topic=28.msg3198#msg3198 (http://techbuyersguru.com/forum/index.php?topic=28.msg3198#msg3198)

As you can see, he was trying to run DDR4-3200 RAM in an Asus Z170 board, and it would not boot correctly. He RMA'd the board to Asus and the replacement worked.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,250 Quiet Gaming PC Build
Post by: Kistrup on January 20, 2017, 08:53:22 AM
I've now tried to boot without any RAM, and there should be a sound, indicating the missing RAM. There was no sound. I have now spoken with my supplier, and arranged a swap of the motherboard.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,250 Quiet Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on January 20, 2017, 09:34:19 AM
I've now tried to boot without any RAM, and there should be a sound, indicating the missing RAM. There was no sound. I have now spoken with my supplier, and arranged a swap of the motherboard.

You unfortunately received very incorrect advice somewhere. Modern motherboards have no built-in speakers. I just booted with no RAM on one of my test systems, and the PC simply went into a boot loop, restarting over and over. If your system is doing the same thing, it is doing exactly what it should under the circumstances. There is no way you could hear a sound due to missing RAM. Furthermore, even if it could make sound but didn't, this still isn't indicative of a motherboard problem. You could have a CPU installation issue.

Hopefully the motherboard swap will fix the problem, but the troubleshooting you've done so far doesn't necessarily indicate that the motherboard is the problem. It's just one possibility.

I recommend you proceed with my original advice to try a single stick of DDR4-2133 RAM. It is much less costly and much easier to try than swapping a motherboard. You can proceed with the motherboard swap if the RAM doesn't work.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,250 Quiet Gaming PC Build
Post by: Kistrup on January 26, 2017, 12:25:05 PM
Hi again, the motherboard swap was a success, windows 10 is now installing! Thank You for the fast response and your advice, we will keep following your site here from Denmark.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,250 Quiet Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on January 26, 2017, 12:47:50 PM
Hi again, the motherboard swap was a success, windows 10 is now installing! Thank You for the fast response and your advice, we will keep following your site here from Denmark.

Good to hear! Please report back on how you like the system once it's up and running!

This is actually only the second time a reader has confirmed that a faulty motherboard caused a failure to boot, and thousands of readers have built systems using TBG's guides over the past four years. That is why I didn't want to recommend replacing the board before trying other steps, as it is a difficult thing to do. Did you replace it with the exact same Gigabyte model? If not, which did you use?

You might try that troubleshooting step you used that I disagreed with (booting without RAM to try to produce a "sound"), in order to see if it's actually valid. I'm pretty sure it's not, but I'm happy to be proven wrong! ;)
Title: Re: The TBG $1,250 Quiet Gaming PC Build
Post by: Kistrup on January 27, 2017, 11:19:42 AM
We did actually replace it with the same board. The only "issue" we've encountered so far, was a fan that didn't work. We moved it from sys_fan 1 to sys_fan 2, now it works!?
Next step is to learn how to overclock the ram to 3200 MHz.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,250 Quiet Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on January 27, 2017, 10:49:15 PM
We did actually replace it with the same board. The only "issue" we've encountered so far, was a fan that didn't work. We moved it from sys_fan 1 to sys_fan 2, now it works!?
Next step is to learn how to overclock the ram to 3200 MHz.

As you have DDR4-3200 RAM, all you have to do to overclock it is to enable the XMP profile in the Gigabyte UEFI, which you access just by tapping the "delete" key while booting.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,250 Quiet Gaming PC Build
Post by: Kistrup on January 29, 2017, 02:33:48 AM
That went smoothly, now we are going for the CPU. The information I can find on the internet, suggests a multiplier of 44 and a vcore voltage on 1.3 V, I'm unsure if I should set the voltage on manual or adaptive?
Title: Re: The TBG $1,250 Quiet Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on January 29, 2017, 03:03:19 AM
That went smoothly, now we are going for the CPU. The information I can find on the internet, suggests a multiplier of 44 and a vcore voltage on 1.3 V, I'm unsure if I should set the voltage on manual or adaptive?

My sample 6600K runs perfectly stable at 4.4GHz with no manual adjustment of the voltage. The motherboard auto-detects the voltage settings. 1.3V is almost definitely far too high. Just try setting the multiplier at 4.4GHz with everything else at auto. If that doesn't work, your CPU may need more voltage, but I'd start with an adaptive voltage of 1.25V.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,250 Quiet Gaming PC Build
Post by: Kistrup on February 15, 2017, 09:23:25 AM
Hi again, we now need to buy and insert a wireless networking card to access the internet, when not in range of a cable. Do You have any suggestions to which one we should go for. We have looked at those in Your guide, but which of them fits best to our build?
Title: Re: The TBG $1,250 Quiet Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on February 15, 2017, 09:31:42 AM
Hi again, we now need to buy and insert a wireless networking card to access the internet, when not in range of a cable. Do You have any suggestions to which one we should go for. We have looked at those in Your guide, but which of them fits best to our build?

Just about any card will work with this system, as it has room for a PCIe card and does not require a low-profile model. My favorite is the TP-Link Archer T8E (http://amzn.to/2kSZlCm), although the T6E (http://amzn.to/2kKnEj5) is almost as fast and may be a lot cheaper depending on where you shop.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,250 Quiet Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ginger on March 18, 2017, 03:38:51 PM
Hello TBG,

I recently used the $1,250 guide to build. It is currently working with no issues, though i do have a few questions about some technical points that I may be missing.

Parts Installed:

Intel Core I5-7600k
MSI Z270 PC Mate
EVGA GeForce GTX 1070
2x8GB Vengeance LPX DDR4-3200 (Recommended upgrade)
Crucial MX300 525GB M.2
EVGA Supernova G3 550W
Arctic Freezer i32
Microsoft Windows 10 Flash Drive

The case that was used was on the guide but now I see it is not as of 3/18/17 (build put together around 3/1/17) and is the Silverstone RL06 found here: https://www.amazon.com/SilverStone-Technology-CS-RL06BR-PRO-Tower-intake/dp/B01N7VGKYD/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1489871592&sr=8-2&keywords=silverstone+rl06

The questions i have about this build is as followed:

1) I installed the M.2 SSD on the lower port, below the graphics card PCI port. I dont see any issues as of right now but is that the correct spot to place this drive?
http://imgur.com/GI6ZiTt

2) The RL06 case that was recommended at one point in the guide came with the front fans connected to a multi header case mounted "thingie". It is mounted on the Power Supply access panel adjacent to the drive bay storage:
http://imgur.com/37x5RWU

 I have no clue what it is. The MSI Z270 is said to have "6 fan headers" I did have a cable that I believe is the 'Molex' Connector. It looks like a 4pin fan header connector with only 2 wires going to another special style connector.
http://imgur.com/xt1TPjs

http://imgur.com/CTmDKQ1
 Just stock I have 5 fans that need to be connected, (3 intake case fans, 1 exhaust case fase, 1 cpu fan).

I have to connect the intake fans here:
http://imgur.com/gPfiQ7M
This case should be able to have top mounted fans as well (120 x2 , or 1 x 240) but I dont understand how to add additional fans at the top with the fan headers. I want to know:
1. What is that "thingie" called that the fans were connected to on the backside of the case and how do i connect them to the motherboard and have them work?

2) The front USB cables show they are 3.0 and 2.0 capable

http://imgur.com/FB626dF

 but they are spliced together in 1 connector on the motherboard. Am I still getting the 3.0 speed for having them placed here:

http://imgur.com/zncZWWJ

3) I keep Having memory issues with a game I play, so I was thingking about filling up the memory slots.

http://imgur.com/2PWzk9Y

With that Corsair Vengeance I wanted 2 more sticks 2x8GB Vengeance LPX DDR4-3200. The CPU cooler I32 seems like it must be mounted in that way for the direction of rotation to maintain pressure in case. How would I be able to check if I can fit 2 more sticks in there with this cooler installed?

4) With this specific build, The Turbo Boost capability over clockes the CPU to 4.2GHz and the Memory at 4Ghz with a Voltage max of 1.250 with a max temp of 56C Measured with CPUID HWMonitor. I was wondering if you had any stable overclocking suggestions that might be able to push this machine to 5.0GHz.

Thank you for the help and keep up with the awesome builds!!!!!


Title: Re: The TBG $1,250 Quiet Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on March 18, 2017, 04:34:10 PM
Welcome to the TBG Forum, Ginger!

In case you missed it, there's actually a step-by-step build guide (http://techbuyersguru.com/pc-builders-guides-assembling-high-end-gaming-pc-2017) for the SilverStone RL06 case (http://amzn.to/2mVZswp) you have right here on TBG!

And don't worry, the RL06 hasn't disappeared - in fact, it was moved up to the $1,500 High-End Gaming PC Build (http://techbuyersguru.com/1500-high-end-gaming-pc-build) because it offers such high performance.

There are two options for connecting the RL06's front fans: you either power them with a Molex connector through the fan hub (which provides no fan controls), or you connect each one to a separate header on the motherboard. Yes, your motherboard has six headers, so you have enough, though you'll have to carefully select which ones you use as the fan lead wires for the top-mounted fans won't reach them all. If you want to use more than six fans, then you'll either need to use the hub or seek out a third-party solution such as a fan splitter. But let me be clear: you don't need more fans in this system unless you like the look of more fans. They won't improve performance.

As for your memory issue, you'll really have to be more specific about that. I can assure that upgrading from 16GB to 32GB will not fix any issues you're having in games. Under absolutely no circumstances would you need that much memory, so if you are having issues, please provide some details and we look for a fix.

The USB ports will work at their rated speed - there is no way to accidentally plug a USB 3.0 cable into a USB 2.0 motherboard header or vice versa.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,250 Quiet Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ginger on March 18, 2017, 05:07:13 PM
Thank you for the quick response.

The guide you provided I did miss. Thank you for providing it. That clears up 90% of the confusion. As for the memory issue i will elaborate. I play a game called "Tera Rising" and with the game optimized through Gefore Experience it keeps giving me a message in game "Texture resolution has been reduced due to low memory". This is the only reason I was thinking about upgrading to more memory.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,250 Quiet Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on March 18, 2017, 05:30:24 PM
Thank you for the quick response.

The guide you provided I did miss. Thank you for providing it. That clears up 90% of the confusion. As for the memory issue i will elaborate. I play a game called "Tera Rising" and with the game optimized through Gefore Experience it keeps giving me a message in game "Texture resolution has been reduced due to low memory". This is the only reason I was thinking about upgrading to more memory.

Glad to hear that the step-by-step guide was helpful!

As for your game, I'm betting that GeForce Experience is simply outputting an error regarding the amount of video RAM, not system RAM, that you have available. The requirements database for Tera, which was released in 2011, likely does not correctly assess the capabilities of your GTX 1070 8GB video card, which is much more powerful than any card that existed in 2011. I would recommend you manually set all settings to the highest they will go, as your system can max out that game without any issue.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,250 Quiet Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ginger on March 18, 2017, 06:38:46 PM
As far as In-game I still get the message but manually adjusting the settings to max with no auto optimization helped stabilize my FPS. Thank you for that advice....BUT

I am still having issues with that fan header hub extension that came with the case. I connect all fans (intake and exhaust) to that hub then take the Molex Cable and attach the 3 pin to the hub header  and the 4 pin to the motherboard and no fans turn on. I keep the 'CPU fan' to the 'CPU fan header' Any ideas why the molex is not powering the case fans?
Title: Re: The TBG $1,250 Quiet Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on March 18, 2017, 08:52:39 PM
As far as In-game I still get the message but manually adjusting the settings to max with no auto optimization helped stabilize my FPS. Thank you for that advice....BUT

I am still having issues with that fan header hub extension that came with the case. I connect all fans (intake and exhaust) to that hub then take the Molex Cable and attach the 3 pin to the hub header  and the 4 pin to the motherboard and no fans turn on. I keep the 'CPU fan' to the 'CPU fan header' Any ideas why the molex is not powering the case fans?

You aren't setting that fan hub correctly. You can only power that hub directly from the power supply, so you need to connect the 4-pin molex connector to a molex power cable from the power supply. You cannot connect it to the motherboard. I'm actually not sure which "4 pin" you are referring to, as there is no 4-pin that can connect to the motherboard on that hub.

Title: Re: The TBG $1,250 Quiet Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ginger on March 19, 2017, 12:02:14 PM
http://imgur.com/CTmDKQ1

http://imgur.com/xt1TPjs

Both of these connectors fit together. Are these the connectors that are used to connect that hub to the Power Supply?
Title: Re: The TBG $1,250 Quiet Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on March 19, 2017, 01:41:29 PM
http://imgur.com/CTmDKQ1

http://imgur.com/xt1TPjs

Both of these connectors fit together. Are these the connectors that are used to connect that hub to the Power Supply?

OK, now I understand your issue. This is NOT the right connector:  http://imgur.com/xt1TPjs (http://imgur.com/xt1TPjs)

That is not designed to attach to the motherboard - in fact, I believe you pulled that from your power supply box, and it's actually a Berg connector, something totally different and not for use with this system. Please put it back in the box - it could cause damage if you connect it to your motherboard!

Your fan hub should look like this:

(http://techbuyersguru.com/sites/default/files/resize/pictures/Cases/CaseReviews/SilverStoneRL06-Pro/BackPanel-877x946.jpg)

The Molex connector needs to be connected to the power supply using a modular peripherals power cable. There are no connections to the motherboard.

To understand why I do not recommend the use of this fan hub at all, you may want to read TBG's full review of the RL06 (http://techbuyersguru.com/silverstone-rl06-pro-atx-case-review).
Title: Re: The TBG $1,250 Quiet Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ginger on March 19, 2017, 02:06:09 PM
AWESOME!!! I got the Intake fans working through the hub. One final question, Should I connect the exhaust fan to the hub or motherboard? Does that even matter?

P.S. Thank you for the awesome build and the help to get it running right. TBG #1
Title: Re: The TBG $1,250 Quiet Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on March 19, 2017, 02:28:08 PM
AWESOME!!! I got the Intake fans working through the hub. One final question, Should I connect the exhaust fan to the hub or motherboard? Does that even matter?

P.S. Thank you for the awesome build and the help to get it running right. TBG #1

Glad you got it working!

Yes, you can attach the rear fan to the hub, but note that by attaching it to the motherboard, you retain automated control over its speed.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,250 Quiet Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ginger on March 21, 2017, 04:46:39 PM
I have noticed the LED Lights are brighter when connected to the fan hub but dim when connected to the motherboard. Is this normal?

Other than noise with the RL06 case fans due to the lack of fan control from the motherboard am I going to run into cooling issues or any other technical issues if I use the case mounted hub header extension for all fans but CPU and Overclock?
Title: Re: The TBG $1,250 Quiet Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on March 21, 2017, 04:57:19 PM
I have noticed the LED Lights are brighter when connected to the fan hub but dim when connected to the motherboard. Is this normal?

Other than noise with the RL06 case fans due to the lack of fan control from the motherboard am I going to run into cooling issues or any other technical issues if I use the case mounted hub header extension for all fans but CPU and Overclock?

It all has to do with the voltage being supplied. When connected to the fan hub, the fans are running at full speed, and the lights are being supplied maximum voltage. When connected to the motherboard, fan controls are in effect, which means the power being supplied is proportional to the temperature. This lowers the fan speed and dims the lights at lower speeds. You can override this by setting the fans to maximum RPM in the UEFI BIOS, although if that's really want you want, you might as well use the hub. You certainly won't run into cooling issues using the hub, as the fans will be at maximum. In fact, it's probably safer to use the hub as you're getting your overclock dialed in, as you'll know your case fans are providing as much airflow as possible.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,250 Quiet Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ginger on March 21, 2017, 07:52:50 PM
Speaking of OC, I followed that guide and set all parameters to the specified amount for the test build. I am not sure if this build can achieve the overclock in the guide or if I did something wrong but when I booted with the parameters it failed and I had a hard time resetting to be able to boot. The only parameter I noticed I could not change was the "Adjusting Ring Frequency" where in the guide it read at 4200MHz whereas mine read 3900mhz.
Title: Re: The TBG $1,250 Quiet Gaming PC Build
Post by: Ari Altman on March 21, 2017, 08:30:56 PM
Speaking of OC, I followed that guide and set all parameters to the specified amount for the test build. I am not sure if this build can achieve the overclock in the guide or if I did something wrong but when I booted with the parameters it failed and I had a hard time resetting to be able to boot. The only parameter I noticed I could not change was the "Adjusting Ring Frequency" where in the guide it read at 4200MHz whereas mine read 3900mhz.

You're running a Core i5-7600K (http://amzn.to/2mObWEu), whereas the 2017 High-End PC Assembly Guide (http://techbuyersguru.com/pc-builders-guides-assembling-high-end-gaming-pc-2017) used a Core i7-7700K (http://amzn.to/2n5Fzmq). Typically, Core i5 processors cannot hit the same overclocks as Core i7 models. So what I'd recommend is that you set the core multiplier to 44x as a starting point. That's almost guaranteed to work without changing any other settings. And don't worry about the ring frequency - you actually can change that, but you shouldn't when conducting initial overclocking.

If 4.4GHz is stable for you after a few days of testing, you can try pushing up in 100MHz increments to 4.7GHz. I would not recommend you go any higher with the Arctic i32 cooler (http://amzn.to/2mOcBFN) in your build.